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Dicesitter
You are too nice a guy to be dancing around on the edge of the insult cliff.
Suggest you say you're sorry and edit your post.
Just a suggestion. 2F

<edit> And speaking of editing, I am. I'd like to see you go on posting when you win and when you lose. I promise not to ask any fancy math questions ;-)

Quote: dicesitter

If you are new here I will offer some advice, don't disagree with Math or there will be
hell to pay.

You should de-capitalize "Math" -- it'd be more accurate.

And if it's hell to you when your improbable tales are met with skepticism and doubt, it's a hell of your own making. You've had numerous opportunities to prove your incredible claims, but you're a perfect 0 for N on that account. Maybe you should focus on proving you're right rather than trying to prove that everyone else is wrong.

TwofeathersATL


I am not sorry at all. This guy goes out of his way to be less than
reasonable regarding anything I say......... that in itself means there
is a possibility that I am correct or he would say nothing.

Look at his last post about wasting your time practicing a shot that hits
only the lower portion of the back wall . That is not a waste of time, I have
been doing for a long time and no one asked me to stop it. So then he goes on
to insult about a 10 year kid and wife. I noticed you did not question him about
that did you??? even though that had nothing to do with what we were talking
about.... If you concerned about decent conversation, and I assume you are, I
would think proper conversational methods would apply to both of us!!!

I will discontinue my approach to him as soon as others accept he also has
been out of line.... a reasonable request, is it not.


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

TwofeathersATL


I am not sorry at all. This guy goes out of his way to be less than
reasonable regarding anything I say......... that in itself means there
is a possibility that I am correct or he would say nothing.

Look at his last post about wasting your time practicing a shot that hits
only the lower portion of the back wall . That is not a waste of time, I have
been doing for a long time and no one asked me to stop it. So then he goes on
to insult about a 10 year kid and wife. I noticed you did not question him about
that did you??? even though that had nothing to do with what we were talking
about.... If you concerned about decent conversation, and I assume you are, I
would think proper conversational methods would apply to both of us!!!

I will discontinue my approach to him as soon as others accept he also has
been out of line.... a reasonable request, is it not.


dicesetter

Easy there guy. I didn't ask you to be sorry. I asked you to edit your post, and I didn't quote it so you could. I didn't express any opinion about MathExtremist, or his posts. It was not an accident that I withheld my opinion on those subjects. I simply reached out to you, did so 'cause I like to see you post, 'cause I don't want to see you suspended. If I encroached upon your 'space', that was not my intention. Carry on, try not to get carried away. Just 2F

Quote: dicesitter

I will discontinue my approach to him as soon as others accept he also has
been out of line.... a reasonable request, is it not.

It's not out of line to demand proof when someone makes highly implausible claims like "I have the edge in craps because I can influence the dice" and relies on rhetoric like "I've been practicing for eight years in my basement" rather than quantifiable evidence of that influence.

If you're waiting for other people to accept your naked assertions on blind faith, you're going to be waiting for a very long time.

Quote: MathExtremist

It's not out of line to demand proof when someone makes highly implausible claims like "I have the edge in craps because I can influence the dice" and relies on rhetoric like "I've been practicing for eight years in my basement" rather than quantifiable evidence of that influence.

If you're waiting for other people to accept your naked assertions on blind faith, you're going to be waiting for a very long time.

Asking for proof is fine I guess, demanding something from someone else, well it's very demanding.....

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Asking for proof is fine I guess, demanding something from someone else, well it's very demanding.....

In this particular case, what's the difference? Nobody's been able to get dicesitter to publish anything that remotely supports the contention that he's able to influence the dice. I'm certainly not the only person who's asked. I'm just the most direct about it.

On a forum like this, how much tolerance or leeway do you suggest would be appropriate for someone who boasts "I can beat the game with my skills" and refuses to prove the truth of that assertion? I don't think it's appropriate to leave anyone with the impression that they too can beat craps if only they buy a craps table and practice for eight years in their basement. I share the Wizard's goal of eradicating ignorant innumeracy and replacing it with intelligent, mathematically-correct comprehension of wagering games.

Quote: MathExtremist

In this particular case, what's the difference?

<snip>

I share the Wizard's goal of eradicating ignorant innumeracy and replacing it with intelligent, mathematically-correct comprehension of wagering games.

I don't see this as a 'particular case'. No doubt you are a most noble knight, one seeking to right the wrongs of the world, or the Forums. The world needs all the good knights it can muster.

I found "demanding" rather demanding, that's all. Try not to stample the peasants with your stallion as you proceed with your noble crusade. I will try to yield the right of way when I see you coming. The survival of the aristocracy depends on lots and lots of peasants ;-) Some of us are members here....

And hey, it's just me, Just 2F

Quote: MathExtremist

Nobody's been able to get dicesitter to publish anything that remotely supports the contention that he's able to influence the dice. I'm certainly not the only person who's asked. I'm just the most direct about it.

I'm quite certain he has friends who lean on him to not "publish anything that remotely supports the contention that he's able to influence the dice" Good for them. As the great philosopher, on this board, EvenBob, has consistently said, "Never wisen up a chump"

I like "stample," that's a great portmanteau. But I don't see myself as a knight on a stallion. If I were a comic book character, maybe I'd be Captain Mathematica, dressed in a white short-sleeved button-down shirt with an armband and a green visor, armed with a six-foot sharpened slide rule and holding a shield with a percentage sign on it.

Or maybe I'd just be Gambit.

Quote: DeMango

I'm quite certain he has friends who lean on him to not "publish anything that remotely supports the contention that he's able to influence the dice" Good for them. As the great philosopher, on this board, EvenBob, has consistently said, "Never wisen up a chump"

Yes, and he's said as much. But that begs the question: why is he still going on about it?

Quote: MathExtremist

But that begs the question: why is he still going on about it?

I have a non humble opinion, but I don't look good in red.

You've treated him with kid gloves / have been shadow boxing with him, when what his posts have deserved is a hard right cross to the kisser (figuratively): the guy's claims are simply farcical. Zero proof to boot.

Quote: MathExtremist

I like "stample," that's a great portmanteau. But I don't see myself as a knight on a stallion. If I were a comic book character, maybe I'd be Captain Mathematica, dressed in a white short-sleeved button-down shirt with an armband and a green visor, armed with a six-foot sharpened slide rule and holding a shield with a percentage sign on it.

Or maybe I'd just be Gambit.

I had to look up portmanteau, my French, and Russian, are rusty. Likewise, Gambit. No big deal, everyone already knew I was slow ;-).

I had tried stample several different ways and the autocorrect refused to be overridden. I just tried again, shoot. Maybe trampel would be better, trample, chraumple, now the autocorrect has given up on me totally, just signed itself off. Whatever ;-)

MATH


I have not gone on about anything, What I did post was a reply to your statement
that it is a waste of time to practice a shot that stays close to the back wall because
they wont allow you to use it. As I have indicated that statement is not correct, in
fact it is 100% wrong. It was you that brought dice control back into that conversation
it was not me.

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

What I did post was a reply to your statement
that it is a waste of time to practice a shot that stays close to the back wall because
they wont allow you to use it. As I have indicated that statement is not correct, in
fact it is 100% wrong. It was you that brought dice control back into that conversation
it was not me.

I didn't make that statement, and if you somehow believe the topic has drifted away from your unsubstantiated claims of dice control then let me clarify things for you:

There is no point in practicing if the shot you're practicing is immediately detectable because if it ever starts actually influencing the dice, the casino has the absolute right to make you stop using it and therefore you won't be able to use it long enough to make any real money. If you dispute that, please provide evidence that (a) you've developed a shot that influences the dice and (b) you've been able to use it to make consistent profits in casinos.

You've said that you've been using your practiced shot at many casinos and nobody's ever stopped you, but you've also said that you don't make consistent profits in casinos. The only conclusion is that casinos don't care to stop you because your practiced shot doesn't change the odds. You may as well have practiced pressing the button on a slot machine. Casinos are happy to take the action from a random roller, even a random roller who thinks he's controlling the dice because he paid for a few seminars and really, really believes that his practice sessions were worthwhile.

Casinos don't care if you think you can control the dice as long as you don't.

Math's getting more polite.
He said "please".

Math


It appears you did "The point is that someone who is thinking about devoting lots of time to attempting to control the dice with the method where the dice stop near or at the back wall should consider that the house can require them to throw the dice differently or take the dice away, and then all your practice would be for naught."


thank you


dicesetter

TwoFeathersATL



The funny thing is I don't believe in dice control and stated so many times. I do think if
you have a decent roll and pay attention to your toss there are some adjustments you
can make to get lucky more often than you should.

This is not controversial at all, it is no different really than saying that a guy that
plays sober will more than likely make better bets than one that is drunk.

I also stated that practicing different sets at home over thousands of rolls may
help you to make better adjustments at the table.....None of this.... repeat none of
this suggests you can take any advantage you may feel you have to a casino table.
All it says is that when a person goes to the table and sees some things there that he
or she saw on their practice table, they may be able to take advantage of that.

Again.. none of this suggests dice control, the concept which says you can call your
shot or which is so consistent all you need to do is go the table and bet as much as
you can and you will win every time.

My main point is simple if I or others enjoy doing it and talking about it, I would not think
it should not scar math for the rest of his life to accept it. Now if I wanted you to buy a book, or
a Cd or take classes etc..... then I have no problem with Math or even his demands... if I want
something from you, I have a responsibility to show what I have is worth something..

I don't want anything from him, he has nothing I need.

dicesetter

Are you joking? Do you truly not understand the difference between "can" and "will"?

Maybe that explains everything. I'm sure the dice-setting seminar pitch said something like "you can learn how to control the dice and beat the house." Did you take that as a guarantee?

Quote: dicesitter

The funny thing is I don't believe in dice control and stated so many times. I do think if
you have a decent roll and pay attention to your toss there are some adjustments you
can make to get lucky more often than you should.

Thinking you can make "adjustments" to your throw and "get lucky more often than you should" is the same as "believing in dice control." At least have the self-respect to admit it.

Edit: I realized that you're making a farcical distinction between "dice control" and "dice influence." Call it whatever you want, but if you believe your throw produces altered odds then you believing in some measure of control.

Still waiting for that evidence that your throw produces altered odds. Are you ever going to get around to that or are you just going to quibble over language?

Thanks but I'll be ok. I'm not here to prove anything or argue with anyone. I'm not easily insulted either.

Math




Here is the only proof you are going to get, number one don't deserve anything, you sure as hell
don't deserve it from me.

But since the money I play with is mine, and the time I spend on this is mine, I sure don't
need your approval. Sunday night I played and my shot was terrible. They had the opposite side of
the table open so I have to throw my table top shot backhand. The first 8 hands were 2-8 rolls
with each roll ending as one die or the other did not hit the back wall in the same place as the other.
This is not how the shot should work so I took a break. I know what the problem is but how do I fix it from
there... I made an adjustment in where the dice hit the table by 20 inches... to change the angle with
which the dice hit the table. That was better and both
dice went to the back wall with little bounce.... the result is 8 additional hands....... 36, 10, 6, 22, 10, 8
and 22 and 9. After one hand a guy colored up and threw me a black chip saying I had just made him
a great deal of money... ( I did, sadly more than I made myself because he was a very large better).

Now if I got on here and listened to you Math, I would have either went home, or just stayed and did
the very same thing I had done the first 8 rolls and played until my money was gone. If you want to be
some kind of savior on here,,, stop preaching and put in some kind of effort learning to PLAY the game.


dicesetter

PS .. now just wait to see what Math's reply is

Quote: dicesitter

Math




Here is the only proof you are going to get, number one don't deserve anything, you sure as hell
don't deserve it from me.

But since the money I play with is mine, and the time I spend on this is mine, I sure as hell don't
need your approval. Sunday night I played and my shot was terrible. They had the opposite side of
the table open so I have to throw my table top shot backhand. The first 8 hands were 2-8 rolls
with each roll ending as one die or the other did not hit the back wall in the same place as the other.
This is not how the shot should work so I took a break. I know what the problem is but how do I fix it from
there... I made an adjustment in where the dice hit the table by 20 inches... to change the angle with
which the dice hit the table. That was better and both
dice went to the back wall with little bounce.... the result is 8 additional hands....... 36, 10, 6, 22, 10, 8
and 22 and 9. After one hand a guy colored up and threw me a black chip saying I had just made him
a great deal of money... ( I did, sadly more than I made myself because he was a very large better).

Now if I got on here and listened to you Math, I would have either went home, or just stayed and did
the very same thing I had done the first 8 rolls and played until my money was gone. If you want to be
some kind of savior on here,,, stop preaching and put in some kind of effort learning to PLAY the game.


dicesetter

PS .. now just wait to see what Math's reply is

This is what confuses me the most. And yes I understand this is more of a hobby for you(?) You probably answered it before but I still can't understand.

If you truly believe you can influence the dice. Why are you not the big bettor at the table?

Hobby or not, the reason to go to a casino is to win money(or just play at home and play).

It's always satisfying to make more money especially if it's your hobby.

Why isn't surveillance spotting talented DI's? Certainly they can track who's winning and who's losing.

PS I swear everywhere I go and walk by the craps table someone is trying to influence the dice.

Quote: dicesitter

PS .. now just wait to see what Math's reply is

I need more details first. How long were you at the casino? How many other players (besides the big bettor) were at the table with you?

Axel



Excellent question, that is the difference between you and some others, you think before
doing anything else.

This question gets to the heart of the main question or confusion about dice control..

I have said many times I don't believe in dice control, I don't, I have said I think it is
the best thing to ever happen to a casino craps pit, I have said many times that the way
Math wants it defined is impossible, and in fact one the largest dice schools in the country
has recently started teaching a different way of playing and betting because they (finally) had to
admit that the edge you have or at least think you have at home, is not automatically transferred to
a casino table..

The reason for this is simple....... human involvement

You have seen me say many times that the reason your shot and your results vary from
day to day is that you are different from day to day. there is no question the dice vary
from day to day, say nothing about table conditions. You don't know what your results
will look like that day until you play.... I don't care how good you think you are.. that is a fact,
and again it is supported by the change made by that dice school. They found that betting
right away got many of their members in deep trouble, and that only place betting got
them there as well.

Last Friday I played on the same table as Sunday, and the same side of the table was open. I
just played and I did not make the adjustment I did sunday and I lost my butt, I had 12 hands
and only 1 was over 10 and I had 5 at 2 I think, My dice would hit the table and one or the other
would wonder sideways and not get to the back wall, or hit the side wall. I just played
assuming it would work out....well that would have been the approach Math suggests...

Sunday night I started the same thing until I decided this is nuts, figure out a solution or go
home. I took a break and thought of different things I could do, and decided moving the
landing spot that far had worked at home on another inline shot I have been playing with
and I tried it. The shot settled down, the dice went straight to the back wall, and the rest
is history.

Now your question of betting and taking advantage of that..... mine is when you going to start
with the larger bets... you cant do it at first you could get killed, so you have to wait until
you see good results. I do bet larger then, and have been increasing more than I have in
the past... but because of the human factor involved you cant assume a good shot or a good
result the minute you walk into a casino.

Given all the factors involved, influence is going to come and go. Now I understand many
would think that is variance... I got no problem with that, except then if that is the case,
results should not vary between the results of a decent shot and a poor one.

dicesetter

Really?
I've been reading this for a long time now, spent a bunch of time doing so.
My best wishes for all involved, really, best wishes.. 2F

Well it seems the gambling forums a much clones of each other. There is an equivalent member on every forum.

There are always going to be people that make claims, and other people that don't believe the claims. Why does everyone care so much? Why doesn't everyone just go about their own business?

I run various Roulette forums and to settle disputes about who has the best system, created a multiplayer roulette game and members can see various statistics about each other's system. It's a very good way to resolve the disputes about what works and what doesn't work. It's no surprise that players that claim to beat roulette are on par with the house edge.

However, it's not so easy to do something like this with craps.

RoulettePhyhsics



Exactly right " There are always going to be people that make claims, and other people that don't believe the claims. Why does everyone care so much"

This dice control stuff has been going around for over 30 years, There must be hundreds of different ways to bet or
not to bet. Play with or against the shooter. There are many dice schools which all have their way to throw the
dice and their particular way to bet. None of them agree and I have to say having seen the inside of this for many
years, it appears none of them like each other.

It makes no sense to me, none at all. We are trying to play craps, have fun and hopefully makes some money
now and then, we don't take money from each other, the casino is set up to take it from us,

For my part, it would be real foolish to expect people to accept my point of view based on what I have
seen over the past years without question, no one accepts anything in the dice community. All I had
hoped for is that people would be decent about it . That has not been the case on this board with a
couple of people. Whether you think dice control, dice influence, bad dice, bad tables and all that
crap are possible or not, that should have no bearing on how you are treated.

But your correct, that is not the case. You get on here and talk about what I do your in trouble, others
go on the GTC board and talk about where to land the dice or sets you better not use your real name, others go on
Heavy's board and talk down dice control they can get kicked off and still others in Las Vegas say they
would rather these dice schools not take all their students around to the casino's in a group.

To be honest I have only found one group that just wants to play the game, has their own shot and does
not worry about others. I like that, I have played with several members of this board and they are good
players and in addition to being very good people.

This could be a good craps site, including a discussion about anything having to do with craps, if a couple of
members would respect others.

But then again, like everything around us, the world has changed.

dicesetter

Quote: RoulettePhysics

I run various Roulette forums and to settle disputes about who has the best system, created a multiplayer roulette game and members can see various statistics about each other's system. It's a very good way to resolve the disputes about what works and what doesn't work. It's no surprise that players that claim to beat roulette are on par with the house edge.
However, it's not so easy to do something like this with craps.

Why is craps so much more difficult? After all, most of the important craps bets have better EV than anything on the roulette table.

Quote: dicesitter

We are trying to play craps, have fun and hopefully makes some money

Good post DS.
,

Quote:

no one accepts anything in the dice community. All I had
hoped for is that people would be decent about it . That has not been the case on this board

The other day Axel mentioned that there is a friendly group here and everyone is kumbaya and if you only got to know them,,,,,

I believe that has been his experience with those he as met from wov. But just as surely as there are good people that he may consider friends, there are also "gut eaters" and predators. They are watching and waiting. Coyote is always hungry

You nailed it about certain groups. They seem to be patrolling gambling sites and viciously pounce on anyone that may have a differing opinion. IDK, if they think they are protecting their school or group or if it's personal? I have had one following me, and has repeatedly asked me about personal sexual things. It may be how his group talks to each other, or it may be some perversion, IDK. I ignored the first two times, but he seems to have followed me here.

Quote: dicesitter

This could be a good craps site, including a discussion about anything having to do with craps, if a couple of
members would respect others. But then again, like everything around us, the world has changed.dicesetter

It is not a question of respecting others, it is one of respecting their ideas, their claims, and putting claimants to their proof.

In the context of a gambling board the individual is much less significant than the idea he posts.

The idea is the thing, and exposing a claim to scientific, mathematical testing is the name of the game.

Two words, really: "prove it."

Quote: SanchoPanza

Why is craps so much more difficult? After all, most of the important craps bets have better EV than anything on the roulette table.

No I didnt mean craps is harder to beat, although that may be the case. I was referring to the free roulette game I created for my forum members. If I created a similar game for craps, then its not like players use real die. If there was a demand for it, i suppose I could create a multiplayer chat craps game. Anyone interested?

Regarding the arguments here, is it that people dont believe the throw of die can be controlled?

If that's the case, really I see no reason why it couldnt be. I'm no craps expert but, reasonably, I dont think it would be difficult to throw die in a matter that favors particular outcomes over others. The house edge is only small, and only a small accuracy increase is needed to overcome it.

I'll do a quick experiment and post back on this...

I've only spent a little while on this, but with a forward wrist flick it appears I could roll a dice in a way that produces an outcome along one axis of the dice, at least an inordinate number of times. The throw is from about 1m. But again I havent sat for hours testing to ensure results are conclusive. I dont think it would be a massive edge like 50%, but in my opinion, at least from only a little testing so far, it is plausible to get a reasonable edge with the right technique.

I dont see why it should be a topic worth debating though. It's not outside the realms of plausibility.

I understand the concept of the table has no memory and each spin the odds are set.

But my head keeps telling me - recent historical data is REAL --- and and abnormal table trend will be corrected across a reasonable number of upcoming spins, therefore there's logic in betting in these future windows -

Is that completely flawed logic?

Quote: RoulettePhysics

I've only spent a little while on this, but with a forward wrist flick it appears I could roll a dice in a way that produces an outcome along one axis of the dice, at least an inordinate number of times. The throw is from about 1m. But again I havent sat for hours testing to ensure results are conclusive. I dont think it would be a massive edge like 50%, but in my opinion, at least from only a little testing so far, it is plausible to get a reasonable edge with the right technique.

I dont see why it should be a topic worth debating though. It's not outside the realms of plausibility.

Try it in a casino under real playing conditions.

This ain't Yahtzee on the kitchen table.

The logic is not completely correct.

Past events ARE connected, but not in the way most gamblers expect.

For example, on a roulette table, there could be 10 reds in a row. It is incorrect to use this data and say black is "due". But it is would be correct to say "perhaps there are physical defects causing red numbers to spin more, and the history indicates this". Of course though, 10 spins is far too few for bias analysis. I'm just using an example.

Keep in mind that everything is cause and effect. Events are connected only because of common variables, and a natural progression of physical objects. For example, the previous roll of a dice is connected to the next, because the previous position of the dice is connected to the next outcome. The dice may roll this way and that, but would begin from the initial reference point. The real question would be can you use the previous result to accurately predict the next outcome. The previous result would only be a VARIABLE in the equation.

Quote: MrV

Try it in a casino under real playing conditions.

This ain't Yahtzee on the kitchen table.

I didnt know that, thanks.

I was just making a point that the logic is not without merit. And I did state the tests were quite limited. In any case, I'd rather stick with roulette. Easy enough to get a very large edge.

Quote: dicesitter

RoulettePhyhsics


There are many dice schools which all have their way to throw the
dice and their particular way to bet. None of them agree and I have to say having seen the inside of this for many
years, it appears none of them like each other. dicesetter

Easy answer. The dice schools and teachers mainly make their money off tuition and refreshers and hook up fees. Not off the tables, AFAIK. So they don't play nice with others.

Quote: RoulettePhysics

In any case, I'd rather stick with roulette. Easy enough to get a very large edge.

Oh boy, here we go again!

RoulettePhysics



That is why craps is different, in roulette, the player has nothing to do
with the outcome. In craps I contend the payer does affect the outcome,
but there are so many moving parts, that the effect a player can have is
small and varies from day to day.

dicesetter

Quote: DeMango

Oh boy, here we go again!

Sorry. I wont discuss player edge again.

Quote: RoulettePhysics

I've only spent a little while on this, but with a forward wrist flick it appears I could roll a dice in a way that produces an outcome along one axis of the dice, at least an inordinate number of times. The throw is from about 1m. But again I havent sat for hours testing to ensure results are conclusive. I dont think it would be a massive edge like 50%, but in my opinion, at least from only a little testing so far, it is plausible to get a reasonable edge with the right technique.

I dont see why it should be a topic worth debating though. It's not outside the realms of plausibility.

please get rid of this guy so I dont get suspended again...."but you can change odds with advatage play" unreal.

Quote: ontariodealer

please get rid of this guy so I dont get suspended again...."but you can change odds with advatage play" unreal.

Why are you so hostile? Why cant you love me the way I love you? If you show some love, maybe you wont get suspended again.

Nah but seriously, why is my opinion so offensive for you? You CAN change the odds with "advantage play". That's exactly why casino staff call it "advantage play". It cant be done in all circumstances. It's not magic. But it does work.

I'm sorry I dont really want to argue with you about it. I dont see the need to justify simple logic about physics, odds and payouts. You can do your own research and come to your own conclusions. I wont be offended either way.

Well.

Isn't THAT special.

Quote: RoulettePhysics

Nah but seriously, why is my opinion so offensive for you? You CAN change the odds with "advantage play".

No, you can't change the odds at all. You can bet more intelligently, though -- that's what advantage play actually means. However, changing the odds is cheating:

Quote: NRS 465.015

  Definitions.  As used in this chapter:
1.  “Cheat” means to alter the elements of chance, method of selection or criteria which determine:
(b) The amount or frequency of payment in a game;

If you actually change the odds, you're a crook. If you merely identify when the odds are in your favor and bet accordingly, that's advantage play.

Quote: RoulettePhysics

Keep in mind that everything is cause and effect. Events are connected only because of common variables, and a natural progression of physical objects. For example, the previous roll of a dice is connected to the next, because the previous position of the dice is connected to the next outcome.

Sorry, what? You think dice rolls are not independent?

rp....just go get some help.

Quote: MathExtremist

Sorry, what? You think dice rolls are not independent?

Breathe. Carefully read what I wrote. I'll explain it another way....

Say a dice has 2 facing up, I pick it up and roll it, and then 3 is facing up. Now say if i rolled it again with exactly the same physical variables, would the outcome be 3? No. Because the same variables leads to a different number rolling (side of the dice). In this sense, the previous outcomes ARE CONNECTED.

The problem is that most gamblers believe in connections that don't really exist. Like for example, when 10 reds in roulette spin in a row, then expect that the red streak means black is due to spin next. In this sense, there is NO CONNECTION.

The question shouldn't be whether or not any event is connected. Because the universe is not random. Even Einstein said "God does not play dice with the universe." Well that's quite ironic considering we're talking about dice. But what he meant to say was "Everything is cause and effect".

The real question should be: Can you use previous game outcomes as a valid variable to predict outcome of future games?

It's really not a complicated problem. If I were investigating it, I'd just break down the components of a roll and cross reference variables and check for correlation.