odiousgambit
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January 4th, 2016 at 1:56:04 PM permalink
Quote: rottenluck

Stay away from craps tables if the stick man is flipping the dice over before everyone has a chance to focus on the dice. If their doing that, it's an insane disadvantage to the players.



If there are players on the other end of the table, I trust them to keep things honest. When the dice are thrown to my end, I sure look at the roll.

I have played at a table by myself; my vision isn't all that good, so they could cheat me I guess then. Maybe you'll have me paying attention to stick flipping the dice in that circumstance.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
rottenluck
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January 4th, 2016 at 2:05:17 PM permalink
I bet the Don't Pass a lot. When my winning 5-2 was rolled at Bellagio about a month and half ago, the players at the opposite end of the table weren't going to say a word. They were all on the Pass Line. I probably bet the Don't a little more often than the Pass, and that's where I get suspicious. I've started primarily playing the Pass when the dice are landing on the end of the table I can't see and the Don't when they land in front of me.

Next dealer that gets aggressive with the stick and flips the dice over before I can focus in on them is going to get an azz chewing. I'm figuring out, if you want to insure an honest game, you have to be loud and somewhat obnoxious. They could so easily solve all these trust problems with a video camera and small 6" display.

I normally play $10,000 sessions with $2,000 units. Five losses, I'm out. I'm now tempted to start being the "George" at the table with these large dollar sessions and see if my luck doesn't turn. I'm 100% certain I've been cheated in the past on my progressive Baccarat play and 90% certain I've been cheated on my progressive craps play. I wonder if being the "George" on a big money $10,000 craps session would change things? Like I say, I don't think the dealers are "in on the take" because there would be so many potential rats, but I do believe they've cheated just to spread the misery... although the dealer change at Bally's about a year ago is still looking extremely suspicious when she came in and beat me 8 times in a row without a single win.
rushdl
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January 15th, 2016 at 4:53:50 PM permalink
The first thing I studied prior to initiating gambling was to find out if they cheat and how. The findings are that they do not need to cheat, as they get an edge via probability and pay losing bets less than proper odds. Its an incredible business model and to cheat is very risky and dumb. Dealers are skilled on how to "Ice" a rhythmic roller though, but that's not cheating. My suggestion for you rottonluck is to limit your exposure at the table to a couple hours. If you don't bet too long you wont accidentally find that 8 pointer guy, bless his heart. My experience in the Midwest casinos is the "wave" of probability (peak to trough) changes every 1.5 to 2 hours so set an alarm and leave.
odiousgambit
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January 15th, 2016 at 5:53:07 PM permalink
Quote: rushdl

... the "wave" of probability (peak to trough) changes every 1.5 to 2 hours so set an alarm and leave.



Ah, that thing. If anyone could in fact predict the period of the sine wave produced, he could get rich indeed. So you can do it? I wouldn't waste my time going online yakking about it.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
rushdl
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January 16th, 2016 at 6:31:44 AM permalink
LOL, yeah. Predict not so much as see it "hit" or "change" initially, after a few hundred Midwest sessions I came up with the number.
ukaserex
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January 16th, 2016 at 8:33:07 AM permalink
Are they cheating? In a word, no. Do dealers make mistakes? You betcha.
"Those who have no idea what they are doing, genuinely have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese

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