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richbailey86
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April 30th, 2015 at 5:29:56 PM permalink
hello,

resorts world has "organic craps"

big dice in a glass bubble that bounce

they are not "real" dice, but oversized dice

my question is since it is random can it be considered real craps? number wise....

still the same probabilities of rolling certain combinations?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1334712!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/racino.jpg
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Tanko
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April 30th, 2015 at 6:57:14 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

resorts world has "organic craps"

big dice in a glass bubble that bounce



I played their machines two years ago.

At the time, a few players were doing well, betting large, mostly with place bets, lay bets and hardways.

There seemed to be more back to back numbers than expected, and that's what they were looking for.

If the seven rolled, for example, they would lay some numbers for one roll, hoping for a back to back seven.

The machines show the last twenty hands or so, and I recorded 1450 rolls over a few visits.

I ran the 1450 rolls in Wincraps first with a single PL bet per hand, and then a single DP bet per hand:

These are the unscientific results:

Starting Bankroll=$1000

$15 PL 2X odds: High=$2,371, End=$1573, Low=$910

$15 DP 2X odds: High=1,090, End=0 Busted in 318 rolls.

I was there a few months ago and I saw they removed the Sic Bo die from one of the machines.

I know one of the regulars hit them pretty hard about eight months ago. That might be the machine.

So, if you do play there, you might consider playing only the machines with the third die, and staying away from the Don'ts.

Better yet, go to Mohegan Sun and have fun in a real casino.
Frogger
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April 30th, 2015 at 7:08:43 PM permalink
This is freaking hilarious. The dice are random just like in regular craps. Hahahhahahahhahahahah
darkoz
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April 30th, 2015 at 8:32:24 PM permalink
The dice aren't quite regular.

Here are two incidents I witnessed at Resorts World.

There was a woman who played pass line. Large bets. The odd thing was she didn't seem to care about the bets and she ALWAYS sat at the same seat, the seat on the right where the five seat side is (the other has only four seats). She stood on her smartphone/tablet all the time. I mean non-stop. She hardly looked at the game even just hitting repeat bet when necessary.

After two weeks of her being there every day, security surrounded her and insisted she come with them. AND, the first thing they did when she stood up was swipe her tablet. I heard she had figured out how to beat the game using her tablet but I couldn't see how.

Then a few weeks later I was there when the dice landed cocked - one die was tilted against the other and the wall so that no decision could be made. After waiting for twenty minutes a techie came over and opened the panel at the SAME seat that woman had been sitting at. He pulled out a keyboard and after punching in something, I witnessed the die that was stuck wobble on its own so that it landed and corrected itself.

I asked the techie about it and he said there were microchips in each side of the die which is how the computer read the outcomes. It scanned the microchip based on the side it had landed on and then made the appropriate payouts. By sending a signal to the microchip, he caused the die to wriggle/vibrate so that it could correct itself without opening the units bubble.

It suddenly clicked what that woman had been doing. She must have been sending a signal to the microchips from her tablet. She always needed that seat so proximity must have been part of it. I guess the casino got wind of it by measuring signal frequencies that were being sent or perhaps there was another way they figured it out.
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Frogger
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April 30th, 2015 at 9:09:36 PM permalink
Did you witness her winning gobs and gobs of money?
darkoz
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April 30th, 2015 at 10:28:14 PM permalink
Quote: Frogger

Did you witness her winning gobs and gobs of money?



I wasn't keeping track of her wins and losses. I was watching her because of her demeanor and actions. Trust me, you would have become suspicious too.

She sat there looking up at the screen to push the repeat bet button and didn't seem concerned about the money in the machine -- only her tablet. But as I said, I didn't have a clue what she could be doing until after security took her in.
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pacomartin
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April 30th, 2015 at 11:26:27 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

By sending a signal to the microchip, he caused the die to wriggle/vibrate so that it could correct itself without opening the units bubble.



Wasn't he just vibrating the underlying mechanism? He wasn't telling the dice how to fall.
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May 1st, 2015 at 5:47:44 AM permalink
The tote board for the most part, showed normal probability ranges for the last 100 roll results.

There were occasional spikes here and there, but that is normal.

These players never made PL or Come bets.

One thing they did was to wait for a number and then place big bets on the inside.

The sim for $44 inside worked out to +910 for the small sample of 1450 rolls that I recorded.

They weren't betting anything near the minimum.
Gabes22
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May 1st, 2015 at 6:21:52 AM permalink
So kind of like the dice from that Board Game "Trouble"
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darkoz
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May 1st, 2015 at 6:44:22 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

Wasn't he just vibrating the underlying mechanism? He wasn't telling the dice how to fall.



That's what you would think but I witnessed it. The underlying mechanism had no visible motion. The die that was already flat had no motion. The cocked die just wobbled on its own and very quickly flattened.

I'm not suggesting he decided which side the die should land. He just vibrated it and it landed based on gravity which would be no different than vibrating the underlying mechanism and waiting for gravity to take it - except then the would be possibly influencing the already decided die.
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