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Quote: Mission146...Santa Ana Star...
They still have No Vig on Buy-4 and Buy-10. Sadly, the Field only pays double on 2.
Yet no DI's participate (amazing).Quote: indignant99They still have No Vig on Buy-4 and Buy-10. Sadly, the Field only pays double on 2.
You could have a break even or +EV craps situation off the top and no DI's would show up, that's a fact.
Craps is the only game supposed AP's don't look for good conditions or +EV situations. They don't like adding .5 to 2% extra. It's against their religion.
Five minutes later, and I am not exaggerating, five minutes later I had every last chip of it back.
Sucker bet?
Quote: IbeatyouracesStrategy is don't play it.
You referring to the FIELD BET or CRAPS in general ;)
For the record, I haven't played the field in my past 40-50 hours of playing craps.
AhQuote: richbailey86never played craps before
you played craps once or never
or the order is not correct
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the Field bet is only a sucker bet when it wins 44.4% of the time or less, imo,
you need to use ESP or a woman's intution to increase that winning percentage
then it becomes a sweet tasting power bet
in my sweet tooth opinion
have fun
what happened to you the first time you played craps?
you were working on a pass line betting system of something?
due have fun!
Sally
Quote: mustangsallyAh
you played craps once or never
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the Field bet is only a sucker bet when it wins 44.4% of the time or less, imo,
you need to use ESP or a woman's intution to increase that winning percentage
then it becomes a sweet tasting power bet
in my sweet tooth opinion
have fun
what happened to you the first time you played craps?
you were working on a pass line betting system of something?
due have fun!
Sally
Let me start by saying.......that's creepy....that you either -- A) remembered that post or, B) actually searched for it
Let me clarify: I never played craps in the actual atmosphere throwing dice....I played the video machine on pass line only....still not sure how each bet works, when you can bet in certain areas of the table, and the payoffs.....I read on this site quite a lot.....I know people are easily flamed here so I usually just stay back and observe...
I played twice at a video machine at my local casino....which now has dice in a bubble
That being said, since you have the time to search for old posts of mine maybe you can educate me on good ways to play craps, and not sucker ways. I'm listening.
I am excited to have bubble craps so close to my house now so I am looking to get into it.....although the minimums are high......(resorts world queens is insane)
only takes a few seconds after clicking on your nameQuote: richbailey86Let me start by saying.......that's creepy....that you either -- A) remembered that post or, B) actually searched for it
<snip>since you have the time to search for old posts of mine maybe <snip>
and seeing your Profile
then
i got this
try it out and see (C)
bubble craps i think is just at 1 casino in SoCal (min $3 bet) and it is a long drive to Indio (the 3 dice version - organic craps)Quote: richbailey86I am excited to have bubble craps so close to my house now so I am looking to get into it.....although the minimums are high......(resorts world queens is insane)
i rather drive to Vegas for shoot to win craps
"push the button!"
we have card craps in SoCal - some are fun to play with dice and cards
have fun and play to have fun
Sally
As Dicenor33 stated above, it is appealing to players because of its simplicity, plus you get "all those numbers!" I would also say that the fact that the player places it himself (does not need dealer's assistance) and that the Field bet is always resolved in the next throw of the dice contribute to its appeal, especially to inexperienced players.
You asked about strategy. From a purely financial standpoint, craps is a -EV game, so the best 'strategy' is not to play. To quote Joshua, "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"*
However, you are probably playing for the enjoyment. In that case, feel free to bet the field if you want. While it is not the best bet on the table, the edge is not oppressive. There are far worse bets on the table, and there are many other games in the casino where no bet offered will give you such a 'favorable' edge.
To quantify, if you get at least $0.0278 worth of "enjoyment" for every $1 you put in the field, then I would consider it a "good bet."
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Be aware that the bet instantly resolves each roll. That can clean you out.
Also, the variance is low*, that's not good either in my book.
Yes, Sally, posters should remember what they posted before, when making a new post. It can be embarrassing!
*https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
Good postQuote: JoemanRich, to answer your original question, I wouldn't call the Field bet a "sucker bet," but there are those who would. Personally, if either the 2 or 12 pays 3:1 (H.E. = 2.78%, very close to single 0 roulette, btw), I will occasionally play it. If the 2 & 12 both pay 2:1 (H.E. = 5.56%), I will never play it. But it is up to you whether it is worth it for you to play it.
As Dicenor33 stated above, it is appealing to players because of its simplicity, plus you get "all those numbers!" I would also say that the fact that the player places it himself (does not need dealer's assistance) and that the Field bet is always resolved in the next throw of the dice contribute to its appeal, especially to inexperienced players.
You asked about strategy. From a purely financial standpoint, craps is a -EV game, so the best 'strategy' is not to play. To quote Joshua, "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"*
However, you are probably playing for the enjoyment. In that case, feel free to bet the field if you want. While it is not the best bet on the table, the edge is not oppressive. There are far worse bets on the table, and there are many other games in the casino where no bet offered will give you such a 'favorable' edge.
To quantify, if you get at least $0.0278 worth of "enjoyment" for every $1 you put in the field, then I would consider it a "good bet."
* -- 10 bonus points awarded to the first to identify the reference
Quote: odiousgambitThe field bet when something pays 3:1 is up against what some would find a reasonable HE. Still a little steep if you ask me [and as for the Santa Anna, didn't someone find out they quit their deal on the field?]
Be aware that the bet instantly resolves each roll. That can clean you out.
Also, the variance is low*, that's not good either in my book.
Yes, Sally, posters should remember what they posted before, when making a new post. It can be embarrassing!
*https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
I already clarified. My first 2 times were at a video machine with no dice. Never at a real table.
Quote: indignant99They still have No Vig on Buy-4 and Buy-10. Sadly, the Field only pays double on 2.
This is, to say the least, unfortunate.
Quote: richbailey86Is the "iron cross" considered a bad bet? Makes ya kinda look like a newbie?
Rich, a bad bet is always subjective. What in your book is a bad bet? to APs, anything with a negative EV is a bad bet. If you are going on a Friday night and just want to have fun, then maybe a $5 YO is a "good" bet. If you are wanting to buy in for $200 and last 5 hours then a good bet is something different.
Quote: richbailey86I already clarified.
The barb was aimed at Sally, who did a similar - actually worse - thing.
Quote: richbailey86Is the "iron cross" considered a bad bet? Makes ya kinda look like a newbie?
No, it makes you look like one of the old timers who has been coming in and losing his SS check every month for 20 years.
Quote: GWAERich, a bad bet is always subjective. What in your book is a bad bet? to APs, anything with a negative EV is a bad bet. If you are going on a Friday night and just want to have fun, then maybe a $5 YO is a "good" bet. If you are wanting to buy in for $200 and last 5 hours then a good bet is something different.
Going to ac for my bachelor party. Want to spend time at a table. So whats considered a "good" bet. Thanks GWAE.
Its ok Everyone posts something embarrassing read this Rich.Quote: richbailey86Quote: odiousgambitThe field bet when something pays 3:1 is up against what some would find a reasonable HE. Still a little steep if you ask me [and as for the Santa Anna, didn't someone find out they quit their deal on the field?]
Be aware that the bet instantly resolves each roll. That can clean you out.
Also, the variance is low*, that's not good either in my book.
Yes, Sally, posters should remember what they posted before, when making a new post. It can be embarrassing!
*https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
I already clarified. My first 2 times were at a video machine with no dice. Never at a real table.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/21585-great-little-craps-situation-probability-question/
Quote: mustangsallyhow large do you think?
i say lower than 38%
you mean the dealer and player cheating the casino, all caught on video!
eye wonders why
try to cheat and get away how many times?
name the casino and i will contact them about a player and dealer cheating them
should bring me some good comps
what split did you make with the dealer?
i hope not 50/50?
i hate cheaters, all colors
they cheat me too
but the Craps God, she WILL balance the books in the end
cheaters go home
and watch UK!
Sally
Quote: mustangsallyand of course you have played Roulette in most all the casinos in the world.
I wonder why I am asked to be on Roulette teams more than Bacc teams these days.
maybe because I am fat but pretty even one team did say I did not have enough money to offer to them
hey, their loss
sure an old scam that still works very well today all over the world and the casinos still seen clueless until they get hit more than one time
I only say it is easy because the 3 times I tried it
I was successful and the Roulette Dealer and Floor person was sorry to see me cash out so soon.
2 times I wore no makeup and jeans
that had to throw them for a loop loop
Sally
Queen of Roulette
Its ok Everyone posts something embarrassing read this Rich.Quote: richbailey86Quote: odiousgambitThe field bet when something pays 3:1 is up against what some would find a reasonable HE. Still a little steep if you ask me [and as for the Santa Anna, didn't someone find out they quit their deal on the field?]
Be aware that the bet instantly resolves each roll. That can clean you out.
Also, the variance is low*, that's not good either in my book.
Yes, Sally, posters should remember what they posted before, when making a new post. It can be embarrassing!
*https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
I already clarified. My first 2 times were at a video machine with no dice. Never at a real table.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/21585-great-little-craps-situation-probability-question/
Quote: mustangsallyhow large do you think?
i say lower than 38%
you mean the dealer and player cheating the casino, all caught on video!
eye wonders why
try to cheat and get away how many times?
name the casino and i will contact them about a player and dealer cheating them
should bring me some good comps
what split did you make with the dealer?
i hope not 50/50?
i hate cheaters, all colors
they cheat me too
but the Craps God, she WILL balance the books in the end
cheaters go home
and watch UK!
Sally
Quote: mustangsallyand of course you have played Roulette in most all the casinos in the world.
I wonder why I am asked to be on Roulette teams more than Bacc teams these days.
maybe because I am fat but pretty even one team did say I did not have enough money to offer to them
hey, their loss
sure an old scam that still works very well today all over the world and the casinos still seen clueless until they get hit more than one time
I only say it is easy because the 3 times I tried it
I was successful and the Roulette Dealer and Floor person was sorry to see me cash out so soon.
2 times I wore no makeup and jeans
that had to throw them for a loop loop
Sally
Queen of Roulette
Quote: richbailey86Going to ac for my bachelor party. Want to spend time at a table. So whats considered a "good" bet. Thanks GWAE.
Pass/Don 't Pass with full odds, then Come/Don't Come with full odds give you the lowest house edge (and expected deletion of your bankroll). How many come/don't come bets you want to make is up to you.
Quote: AxelWolfIts ok Everyone posts something embarrassing read this Rich.Quote: richbailey86Quote: odiousgambitThe field bet when something pays 3:1 is up against what some would find a reasonable HE. Still a little steep if you ask me [and as for the Santa Anna, didn't someone find out they quit their deal on the field?]
Be aware that the bet instantly resolves each roll. That can clean you out.
Also, the variance is low*, that's not good either in my book.
Yes, Sally, posters should remember what they posted before, when making a new post. It can be embarrassing!
*https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
I already clarified. My first 2 times were at a video machine with no dice. Never at a real table.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/21585-great-little-craps-situation-probability-question/
LOL nice one axel
Quote: harvson3Pass/Don 't Pass with full odds, then Come/Don't Come with full odds give you the lowest house edge (and expected deletion of your bankroll). How many come/don't come bets you want to make is up to you.
Just so I understand...sorry I am a newb
What you are saying is lay a pass bet OR a dont pass bet with odds behind it....then once a point is established play dont come?
can you explain
thanks
Quote: Joeman
* -- 10 bonus points awarded to the first to identify the reference
In case nobody has done it yet, War Games.
Quote: richbailey86Just so I understand...sorry I am a newb
It's a good idea to know some Craps Etiquette before you play the game.
For example, you could wait for the shooter to seven out before you buy in.
You wouldn't want to be the guy who interrupted a hot roll.
Quote: TankoIt's a good idea to know some Craps Etiquette before you play the game.
I'm always surprised when the people who write these things leave something out, like
*pick up and throw the dice with one hand, never cupping them with both hands
*to throw the dice, you must first make a line bet
*there is a place below the rail for your smokes and your drink
The Pass (or Don't Pass, if you want to play the "dark side") will be the "best" bet in that it has the lowest edge. Adding odds behind the Pass bet will lower the effective edge of your combined (Pass + odds) bet since the odds bet has no edge. If you want more action after the point is established, but want to keep playing bets with the best edge, add a Come (or Don't Come, if you are playing dark side) bet and then add an odds bet to lower the effective edge.Quote: richbailey86Just so I understand...sorry I am a newb
What you are saying is lay a pass bet OR a dont pass bet with odds behind it....then once a point is established play dont come?
can you explain
thanks
If you haven't yet, check out the Wizard's craps guide here.
Ding, ding, ding! +10 bonus points for you, Mission!Quote: Mission146In case nobody has done it yet, War Games.
Quote: richbailey86Just so I understand...sorry I am a newb
What you are saying is lay a pass bet OR a dont pass bet with odds behind it....then once a point is established play dont come?
can you explain
thanks
What Joeman said above. You can't put odds behind your pass/don't pass or come/don't come bets until a point is made, so you have to wait one step. (Some P/DP and C/DC rolls are resolved - you win or lose - before you can put down your odds bets.)
I also recommend the Wizard's video tutorials, which are helpful.
