befamous7
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June 17th, 2014 at 1:17:36 AM permalink
In a couple weeks I will be going to LV with some friends/family to celebrate the birthdays of two people who recently turned 21. I decided my gift to the two individuals will be a small bankroll for an intro to craps which will be taught by me. I have been playing craps for three years so I am comfortable teaching and playing craps. I am wondering if anyone has any other tips for new players that I don't have stated below.

1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
3. Never say "Seven."
4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.


Now, the first two tips I have are pretty standard rules/guidelines of playing the game of craps. My third tip is just to avoid any unnecessary drama and is obviously an unwritten rule.

Keep in mind I'm essentially looking for etiquette tips. I'm not looking for strategies or anything along those lines (I know, tip #4 isn't etiquette but I think it's a justified tip.)
Ahigh
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June 17th, 2014 at 1:32:09 AM permalink
If they are truly beginners, I prefer no odds or double odds.

You really want to avoid correcting the player -- it just helps them have fun. If they can't afford double odds, then no odds is better IMO.

You can always bet $10 on the pass line if you want more excitement than $5 no odds. The extra cost for the first day of play by betting more on the pass line instead of the odds is worth it to not be confused and betting $5 odds on the five and nine (a 4% edge trying to reduce a 1.41% edge to below 1% -- big mistake).

It's just easier to bet $10 on the line and no odds, really.

Once you get past two hours of play, then introduce odds.

The other advice is not to take ANY advice from dealers. They will sell them the hi-lo in no time.
RS
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June 17th, 2014 at 2:24:30 AM permalink
Don't know where you're playing Ahigh, but I've never seen a dealer actually suggest HiLo. Okay, maybe if 3 of them hit in a row....

But if you ask a dealer for advice, most will say "min bet on line, max odds, and place 6 and 8".



Teaching someone how to play, start with just pass line and odds. After they get the hang of it, introduce place bets. Don't teach them about hard ways. Bad bet and bad habit.
Ahigh
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June 17th, 2014 at 2:32:16 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I've never seen a dealer actually suggest HiLo.



It doesn't matter how they sell you the first time, and it doesn't matter if you realize it or not. But the dealer's job is to sell the prop bets.

Dealers lie, you know, too. They tell stories that are not true in order to get you to lose more quickly.

That's what they do.

If they don't, they aren't really that good at dealing, and they might be working at a place with a $5 minimum (or less).

Plenty of folks have zero experience with real craps dealers who are serious about getting you to part with your money as quickly as possible.

You don't even have to sell high edge bets. Just talking someone into too much exposure often works just as quickly. Max odds on the four or ten when the player is all-in is often enough. Either a big win or go home quick.

Dealers want you to either lose all your money real quickly, or they want you to win and tip really big.

There's not much motivation for a dealer to talk you into making $20 to $50 and then tip $1 to $5.

They want you to lose it all really quick or win enough to toss in green chips or bigger (just as fast hopefully).

Betting single odds with $5 on the pass and $5 odds or $6 odds is not exactly something that a dealer wants a player to do.

I play at just about every single craps table in Las Vegas.
FleaStiff
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June 17th, 2014 at 3:28:40 AM permalink
>1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
Or use two hands to shake them.
>2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
Even if its a very lovely young waitress who is distracting you at the time.
>3. Never say "Seven."
Avoid saying seven
>4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.
Its best to take odds but don't let it confuse you.

Keep hands out of the way of dice being rolled.
Wait for dealer to push out the chips to you, don't reach or call out of turn.

Frankly, I would suggest that you find a casino that gives ten or eleven am lectures and your gift be that you ALL attend them. After the lecture, then give them a real bankroll and play at a nice slow table with dealers who know they are beginners.
odiousgambit
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June 17th, 2014 at 6:02:11 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

If they are truly beginners, I prefer no odds or double odds.

You really want to avoid correcting the player -- it just helps them have fun. If they can't afford double odds, then no odds is better IMO.

You can always bet $10 on the pass line if you want more excitement than $5 no odds. The extra cost for the first day of play by betting more on the pass line instead of the odds is worth it to not be confused and betting $5 odds on the five and nine (a 4% edge trying to reduce a 1.41% edge to below 1% -- big mistake).

It's just easier to bet $10 on the line and no odds, really.

Once you get past two hours of play, then introduce odds.

The other advice is not to take ANY advice from dealers. They will sell them the hi-lo in no time.



You forgot:

a new player IMO should be prepped to know what the puck is all about. Ahigh, you did a video on this !
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bushman
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:01:39 AM permalink
Sounds simple enough, but make sure they only take two dice when presented with the 5 dice. I have seen it many times. Even though people watch the game and see two dice being thrown, when they are presented with the dice from which to choose two, they all want to play Yahtzee. Always a fun time to tease somebody and yell Yahtzee, but save them some embarrassment.
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darthvader
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:03:30 AM permalink
Teach em how to play the darkside!!!!

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Nareed
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:21:07 AM permalink
Get them to play bubble craps first so they can see the game payed without slowing down a table. Or show them an online simulation or Wincraps first for the same reason.
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RaleighCraps
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June 17th, 2014 at 8:13:09 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Don't know where you're playing Ahigh, but I've never seen a dealer actually suggest HiLo. Okay, maybe if 3 of them hit in a row....

But if you ask a dealer for advice, most will say "min bet on line, max odds, and place 6 and 8".



Teaching someone how to play, start with just pass line and odds. After they get the hang of it, introduce place bets. Don't teach them about hard ways. Bad bet and bad habit.



I have played in many casinos east of the MS,and in Vegas. While I agree with you that most dealers would offer the good advice of PL and odds bet, I also agree with AH that some dealers will soon have the player betting money in the center. I have seen it happen a dozen or more times.

I've never understood why the dealer would want to do that. Are they just jerks? Do they hate their customers so much that they are trying to make them look dumb? Or, are they just so bad at craps they don't understand how bad their advice is?
Fortunately there seems to be way more good dealers than the clowns.
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