Best play if you can roll 7's?

So I'm wondering if there are any statistics/math people that can do the calculations for two ideas. Assuming a person can roll more 7's than normal (say once every five rolls instead of the usual once every six):

Strategy A: Bet DP+DC's and lay full odds (345x where I am)
Strategy B: Bet both DP and Pass (and DC/Come), and lay full odds

The main pitfall I can see for Strat A is that frequent 7's will eat into the DP line bet, increasing the house edge on it when the button is off. Strat B would negate this, but obviously you would be losing about $5 every 36 rolls or so when the boxcars hit. However, you would arguably have an advantage on your lay bets. I guess my question is whether or not the advantage you have on your lay bets will be enough to offset the $5 lost to the boxcars every 36 rolls, and how does this compare to simply going with Strat A? For the sake of argument, let's assume that the casino will allow a person to bet both Pass/DP or Come/DC

I appreciate any help. I noticed the Wizard's appendix with the house edges for dice control, but he lists RSR for 6 and higher under the DP section, which I found strange because you would think that if you're playing dark side, you would want your RSR to be lower than 6 and not higher. Is there another source somewhere with a more appropriate range of RSR vs HE values when playing dark side?

Cheers

Its the exact same math as a craps player who has green hair or a three handicap at golf.

If you can roll lots of sevens....bet minimum on the pass line. Or don't pass. Doesn't really matter. Then bet the max you can against each number. Ideally $100 against the 4 and 10, $75 against the 5 & 9, and $60 against the 6 and 8.

I think Don't Pass makes the most sense. Just don't try to roll the 7 on the come out. Then bet max on everything against the 7 like RS said. Easy money! You must have worked hard for that talent, congratulations!

Quote: lengjai

The main pitfall I can see for Strat A is that frequent 7's will eat into the DP line bet

echoing other's comments about just not applying your talents on the come-out

but the way you say it makes me think you are imagining you are rolling excessive 7s while just tossing the dice willy nilly

No, guy

Just hop the sevens every roll

I lay against the 5 and bet the minimum on the DP... Once the the point is established (and hopefully I haven't knocked off my five) I add odds to the DP line bet and proceed to shoot for the 7.. I hate shooting against myself and most would call it crazy. But it can't be any crazier than thinking you're going to have three 20+ Rolls every session... Now I'm sure that everyone can recall a good day of shooting. But I know the majority of guys have not so well shooting days a lot more frequently than they would admit. So Let's just try to grasp the concept.... 7s... Spend 5 hours trying to get 20 rolls... Or establish your point bet big DP,and 7 out as quickly as u can. Math might not add up. Strategy may be wrong. But give it a whirl....

Wolf 713

Quote: sodawater

Just hop the sevens every roll

That's what I was thinking...

One of the places I play I don't think offers 7 hops only the Big Red which pays less.

I don't know how to ask for a hopping 7 without saying the actual word "7" for all the superstitious people at the table.

How 'bout: "Hop the 5/2, 4/3 and 6/1 for $x each"? Or "hop big red"

Quote: Dnalorailed

I don't know how to ask for a hopping 7 without saying the actual word "7" for all the superstitious people at the table.

Toss three (whatever denomination) chips in and call, "Hop Big Red, all three ways!"

Quote: Dnalorailed

I don't know how to ask for a hopping 7 without saying the actual word "7" for all the superstitious people at the table.

At my casino, it's usually "hop the reds." And I have one player who insists on doing it quietly, so when he does so, I whisper his bet to the stickman.

Quote: FinsRule

I think Don't Pass makes the most sense. Just don't try to roll the 7 on the come out. Then bet max on everything against the 7 like RS said. Easy money! You must have worked hard for that talent, congratulations!

Yeah, I think keeping it simple would also draw less heat. Unfortunately, I don't claim to have any such talent. I'm just curious about how you would calculate the statistics behind altered rolls. Thanks though!

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https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/4/

I am aware of this appendix. It does not list HE% for SRR<6

Quote: sodawater

Just hop the sevens every roll

Thank you for answering based on the title alone and not the content of my post

Quote: TheWolf713

I hate shooting against myself and most would call it crazy. But it can't be any crazier than thinking you're going to have three 20+ Rolls every session... Now I'm sure that everyone can recall a good day of shooting. But I know the majority of guys have not so well shooting days a lot more frequently than they would admit. So Let's just try to grasp the concept.... 7s... Spend 5 hours trying to get 20 rolls... Or establish your point bet big DP,and 7 out as quickly as u can. Math might not add up. Strategy may be wrong. But give it a whirl....

I agree with you. I actually enjoy playing dark side more for this reason. Playing pass/come means you need to avoid 7's while rolling a bunch of different numbers. Quite difficult to do, and you also lose ALL your bets on a 7-out. In contrast, playing DP/DC means that you hit a single 7 and ALL your bets win all at once. Much more exciting in my opinion, but to each their own. It's really only "shooting against yourself" because of convention. When I go with friends to play, we all play dark side and we cheer for the 7 (if nobody else is at the table). For us, betting pass/come is "shooting against ourselves" and the weird play

Quote: lengjai

Thank you for answering based on the title alone and not the content of my post

If you guaranteed were getting one 7 in every five rolls this would be the best strategy... So your two scenarios would be obsolete. Heck, why not just bet DC and Come, then lay max odds on each number actually rolled anyways (saving yourself from the 7 DC killer)?

If I HAD to pick one of those two scenarios, I'd probably pick the Pass/DP w/ max odds, because losing bets on just the DP/DC would get annoying when you hypothetically 'know' more 7's are going to be rolled.