Thundershock
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October 21st, 2014 at 1:22:50 PM permalink
With regulation almost non-existent now, I have noticed some casinos aka Caesars have been flouting the rules. When I played craps there this past weekend, I noticed a huge amount of 7's being thrown despite the randomness of the throwers and on multiple tables too. I'm well aware of variance and everything but when I see sevens or craps thrown on over 40% of the throws (no exaggeration) I have to wonder. This was further confirmed upon inspecting the dice as the edges were worn down. (They were whitish instead of the blue color of the dice)
DRich
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October 21st, 2014 at 1:50:07 PM permalink
Why didn't you play the Don't. You would have made a fortune.
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Thundershock
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October 21st, 2014 at 2:16:44 PM permalink
Because many times, the 7 was showing up on the first roll.
Zcore13
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October 21st, 2014 at 2:27:42 PM permalink
Quote: Thundershock

With regulation almost non-existent now, I have noticed some casinos aka Caesars have been flouting the rules. When I played craps there this past weekend, I noticed a huge amount of 7's being thrown despite the randomness of the throwers and on multiple tables too. I'm well aware of variance and everything but when I see sevens or craps thrown on over 40% of the throws (no exaggeration) I have to wonder. This was further confirmed upon inspecting the dice as the edges were worn down. (They were whitish instead of the blue color of the dice)



That is a ridiculous claim and you should be smacked with a wet noodle for thinking the short time you played/watched would be sufficient proof of anything other than short term variance or selective memory.


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Pokeraddict
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October 21st, 2014 at 2:33:03 PM permalink
I'm sure you have sufficient evidence to back up this serious claim like images of the dice, employees altering them, or shipments from an unapproved dice provider. Please post the pictures so that we can all see them. There is no sense in keeping them private.
Thundershock
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October 21st, 2014 at 3:11:28 PM permalink
I wish I could take pictures of the dice but somehow I doubt they'd let me do so. This is based on having watched over 1000 throws in my estimation, having played there numerous times in the past utilizing the same dice settings for myself from the same position no less, and visually having seen the dice looking worn. Like I said, variance doesn't really explain a huge divergence in the # of 7's thrown. All I'm saying is beware.
Concinnity
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October 21st, 2014 at 3:45:09 PM permalink
Why didn't you bet the 7 like crazy?
sodawater
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October 21st, 2014 at 4:08:34 PM permalink
This is hilarious. No casino would want to use anything but perfect dice on craps because there are bets available to take huge advantage of any imperfection in the dice. The exposure to that would be far beyond any gains from squares betting their pass lines.
Mission146
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October 21st, 2014 at 4:41:32 PM permalink
Quote: Thundershock

Because many times, the 7 was showing up on the first roll.



Why didn't you Lay the Point?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
thecesspit
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October 21st, 2014 at 8:29:39 PM permalink
Quote: Thundershock

Because many times, the 7 was showing up on the first roll.



With any bias, a quick trip to the bar with a calculator and pencil and you can work out the optimum betting pattern to take advantage of these shaved dice.

More over, '7' is immaterial. Was it more 1's and 6's? As a seven can be made with any number on one of the dice, unless you are claiming the dice themselves are correlated with each other during the throw, and also knew when coming out, then 40% hits on 7's, 2's and 12's seems like money to be made
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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