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mustangsally
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May 15th, 2014 at 10:51:10 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I don't see this taking off, in spite of the increased payouts:

it does not really have to take off.
Crapless Craps is still around for those that want to play it.

Quote: Paigowdan

5. Too big a house edge.

combined with a very low win rate despite the odds payoffs for a 1 unit bet.

this game could not have been tested (people playing it) for any length of time
I tried it for 30 minutes at home and lost fast and often.
The win streaks did not exist in my small sample

more players easily lose too much too fast

60%+ chance of an overall loss
and the standard deviation is about 1.5243

compare that to 00 Roulette 2to1 bets
5.36% he and a sd of 1.3945

netprob
-10.606279054
00.166666667
10.074160999
20.039670972
30.064225394
40.035108025
50.013888889


at least 00 Roulette has other bets to offer

now this may not be fair to compare this way
so how about pass bet at craps, pass bet at crapless craps and street craps
100 lifetime bets made

the chance of an overall net loss (as a percentage):
sc: 62.590305%
c: 51.669330%
cc: 67.004364%
nothing tremendous
one can calculate the ev for this too

how about a net loss of 20 units or more
sc: 17.204979%
c: 3.896244%
cc: 8.592504%

39 units or more
sc: 1.00338% or about 1 in 100 can expect to lose big (IMO)
c: 0.006974% = about 1 in 14,339
cc: 0.031655% = about 1 in 3,159

I would estimate that it will not take that much time of play
for many to walk away feeling *you can not win playing this game*

of course, drinking and throwing the dice against a wall could be fun and worth the expected loss.
maybe not too many repeat players here

and I only showed for 100 lifetime bets made
imagine betting more
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May 15th, 2014 at 1:12:58 PM permalink
Who knows. People who enjoy making bad bets in craps because "that's where the money is" might enjoy this. Just add some side bets with a worse house edge than those in today's craps.

For me it seems too complicated. Far more complicated than plain craps, which is already complicated enough. I can only guess what new players will think.
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May 15th, 2014 at 1:46:36 PM permalink
Does anyone understand this Brick bet?

Quote: www.vegaschatter.com

Players have the option to bet a brick bet prior to the start of a roll; four, six, eight and 10 rolled the hard way (dice showing two twos, two threes, two fours and two fives, respectively) within 3 rolls wins 25 to 1.



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Seems to me that the probability of shooting a specific hard way within three rolls is 1-(35/36)^3 = 8.10%. If that paid 25 to 1 the player advantage would be 110.7%.

Does a seven, easy way, or other resolution of the pass bet cause it to lose? It doesn't seem like good game design to hold up the game after a pass win/loss over unresolved prop bets.

Anyone interested in checking this out tomorrow night?
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May 15th, 2014 at 1:48:03 PM permalink
Part of the fun/tragedy of street dice is walking away with your winnings harmless. I hope they figure something out about that.
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May 15th, 2014 at 1:52:09 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

For me it seems too complicated. Far more complicated than plain craps, which is already complicated enough. I can only guess what new players will think.

at first, I had to read it twice.
The 3 roll point round with odds payout might attract some players.

I just played another session at home and changed the payouts
The HE about 3.1% and made it more fun to play for me
I mean I could actually win and it was fun
That push on a 7 on the come out roll needs to go
who came up with that one?

7 and 11 wins on the come out roll
This should be a given

rolls: 1,2,3 (odds payout for bet made below)
point 4 or 10: 4,3,2
point 5 or 9: 3,2,1
point 6 or 8: 2, 6to5,1 ( or maybe even 2,1.5,1 for a smaller edge)

maybe coming soon to Sally's Casino
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May 15th, 2014 at 3:50:09 PM permalink
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May 15th, 2014 at 3:58:04 PM permalink
Agree.
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May 15th, 2014 at 4:07:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



Anyone interested in checking this out tomorrow night?



I will give it a shot. I feel this would make for a decent article for one of my sites. LMK if you are going and what time.
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May 15th, 2014 at 4:47:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Does a seven, easy way, or other resolution of the pass bet cause it to lose? It doesn't seem like good game design to hold up the game after a pass win/loss over unresolved prop bets.


I believe the Brick Bet loses whenever the resolution of the pass bet is not the point rolled hard. So, if there's a seven out, Brick Bet loses. If the point is made easy, Brick Bet loses. If three rolls go by with no seven and no point, Brick Bet loses.

Here are my big questions:

Do you make the Brick Bet before the "come out", or after a point has been established?

If you do have to make the Brick Bet before the come out, does it lose if the come out is 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, or 12?
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May 15th, 2014 at 5:04:50 PM permalink
Different rules apply to games not physically inside the licensee's premises, such as a promotional slot machine placed on the sidewalk temporarily. The test is whether a passerby would readily realize is was not part of the licensee's actual gaming premises.

Street Dice would have ONLY a Pass Line, no DontPass.

Action between the players was the old way, but I doubt the casino wants that. So they will probably take Place Bets as well.

BANK CRAPS has DontPass and LAY Bets. Street dice used not to.

I have no idea what they will actually do though.

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