Street Dice

The new "Downtown Grand" is advertising a game called, "Street Dice" that is conducted outside the casino on 3rd street. However, the website has no other details.

Has anyone here played yet? If so, anything to report?

Also, the old Lady Luck thread bucket is gone, but a header for the Downtown Grand has not appeared yet. When it does, will it be under "D" or "G"?

http://www.downtowngrand.com/gamble/las-vegas-casinos.html

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COMING SOON! “Unprecedented.” “Unlike anything Vegas has ever seen.” “Crazy fun.” “Is this legal?” These are just some of the ways people have been describing Downtown Grand’s “Street Dice” experience. A custom Street Dice game on 3rd Street (yes, out in the open!) is the perfect bit of action for any gambler. No need to bring your own dice or flee when the heat shows up.

Still just not enough info to figure this out.

Quote: Ayecarumba

The new "Downtown Grand" is advertising a game called, "Street Dice" that is conducted outside the casino on 3rd street. However, the website has no other details.

I suspect it's nothing more than a play on words / gimmick.

O'Shea's used to have "Strip Poker". It was merely poker tables so close to the strip, that some player's chairs were actually outside.

At one time, the Sands had a Floating Craps game. http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/galleries/1905/may/15/gaming/992/

Traditional Street Craps is in your knees, throwing against the side of a building. That can't be what they're doing.

I gotta think that this Street Craps is another gimmick where the table is at the door. Or maybe it is a craps table that actually is outdoors, on the sidewalk or even In the street with the road closed. But on a regulation table.

So, it looks like it is launching now. I have no interest at all in these rules... Any idea the HA?:

From:

Players make their basic bet, then throw the dice. Go ahead and set them if you like. The “wall” you’re shooting against is 10 feet away, so controlling the dice would be beyond impossible.

If you roll a 2,3 or 12 on the first roll, you lose your bet. A seven is a “push.” Only an 11 wins on the first roll (it pays even money).

If you roll something other than those numbers, the dealer marks the point, and you have three rolls to hit the number again. There’s a digital counter on the wall t

Payouts on the numbers, if hit, vary based upon which roll it is, first, second or third. For the numbers 4 and 10, hitting the number on the first roll pays 5-to-1, second roll pays 4-to-1 and third roll pays 3-to-1. For 5 and 9, hitting the number on the first roll pays 4-to-1, second roll pays 3-to-1 and third roll pays 2-to-1. For 6 and 8 (the most commonly-rolled numbers, after seven), hitting the number on the first roll pays 3-to-1, second roll pays 2-to-1 and third roll pays even money.

If you roll a seven (the most commonly-rolled number) after the point has been established, you lose your bet.

So, hit your point (win), “seven out” (lose) or fail to hit the point in three rolls (lose) and you start all over again.

I calculated the HA at 5.288947%, or 88834/36⁴

I don't see this taking off, in spite of the increased payouts:

1. if you don't roll a point within 3 rolls, it's another 7-out.
2. No odds.
3. No long rolls are possible.
4. No standard props.
5. Too big a house edge.

Let's slap it together and run it up the flag pole.

I'm getting a 5.02% HA.

Event	Probability	Pays	Return
Come out 2, 3, 12	0.1111111111	-1	-0.1111111111
Come out 11	0.0555555556	1	0.0555555556
Come out 7	0.1666666667	0	0
Point 10/4, made on 1st roll	0.0138888889	5	0.0694444444
Point 10/4, 7 on 1st roll	0.0277777778	-1	-0.0277777778
Point 10/4, made on 2nd roll	0.0104166667	4	0.0416666667
Point 10/4, 7 on 2nd roll	0.0208333333	-1	-0.0208333333
Point 10/4, made on 3rd roll	0.0078125	3	0.0234375
Point 10/4, not made on 3rd roll	0.0859375	-1	-0.0859375
Point 5/9, made on 1st roll	0.024691358	4	0.0987654321
Point 5/9, 7 on 1st roll	0.037037037	-1	-0.037037037
Point 5/9, made on 2nd roll	0.0178326475	3	0.0534979424
Point 5/9, 7 on 2nd roll	0.0267489712	-1	-0.0267489712
Point 5/9, made on 3rd roll	0.0128791343	2	0.0257582686
Point 5/9, not made on 3rd roll	0.1030330742	-1	-0.1030330742
Point 6/8, made on 1st roll	0.0385802469	3	0.1157407407
Point 6/8, 7 on 1st roll	0.0462962963	-1	-0.0462962963
Point 6/8, made on 2nd roll	0.0267918381	2	0.0535836763
Point 6/8, 7 on 2nd roll	0.0321502058	-1	-0.0321502058
Point 6/8, made on 3rd roll	0.0186054431	1	0.0186054431
Point 6/8, not made on 3rd roll	0.1153537475	-1	-0.1153537475
TOTAL	1		-0.0502233844

Quote: Paradroid

I'm getting a 5.02% HE.

Same here.

Event	Pays	Combinations	Pays*combos
CO Lose	-1	186624	-186624
CO Win	1	93312	93312
CO Push	0	279936	0
4,10 win 1	5	23328	116640
4,10 win 2	4	17496	69984
4,10 win 3	3	13122	39366
4,10 lose	-1	225990	-225990
5,9 win 1	4	41472	165888
5,9 win 2	3	29952	89856
5,9 win 3	2	21632	43264
5,9 lose	-1	280192	-280192
6,8 win 1	3	64800	194400
6,8 win 2	2	45000	90000
6,8 win 3	1	31250	31250
6,8 lose	-1	325510	-325510
Total		1679616	-84356

Bah, I only added the results for 4, 5, and 6, but not 8, 9, and 10.

After that correction, I also calculated 5.0223384%, or 84356/36⁴

Quote: Paigowdan

I don't see this taking off, in spite of the increased payouts:

1. if you don't roll a point within 3 rolls, it's another 7-out.
2. No odds.
3. No long rolls are possible.
4. No standard props.
5. Too big a house edge.

I think the biggest problem is how frequently the basic bet loses. Sure, it often gets paid better than even money when it wins, but so many losses will drive players away.