NewToCraps
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August 8th, 2013 at 11:19:54 AM permalink
I think I know what a winning event is, and
I think I know what a losing event is. At one time
I thought I knew what a push event was, but now I'm not sure.

Can someone properly define a:
Push event
Tie (same as a push, right?)
No action event

I assume these terms are relative to the particular bet that is being discussed.

But, what is making the first point relative to a Fire Bet, or rolling a 2 relative to a Small, Tall or All bet?
For those situations, I know it is a losing event for the tall bet. (Opps-Wrong!)
But for the fire bet, small and all bets - is it a winning event (no payout at that particular roll)?
Is it a push event (not a losing event and no payout)?
Is it a no action event ?
Is there such a thing as a delayed event?

I thought the simple example of a coin flip would be a way to compare it with there being wins, losses and ties.arallel

If heads I win, tails you lose and lands on an edge we tie (push?)

Then I flipped one and it landed in a floor vent, what is it? A no action event, and another flip will resolve it?
Or a delayed event till the day I renovate and put in a new vent system and in the process find the coin?

That makes me then wonder - is a dice off the table an event, and is it a certain named event?

This game got easier as I learned more. (At first, but now it is confusing....again)
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DJTeddyBear
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August 8th, 2013 at 11:30:08 AM permalink
I would call those things "Rolls."

Most of them establish, or are part of, a "contract." I.E. In most cases, you can't take the bet down.

Note that the only push on a craps table is the Don't Bar 12.

Also note that you have one fact wrong. A 2 is not a loser for the Tall bet. Only a 7 loses for those bets.
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NewToCraps
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August 8th, 2013 at 11:45:54 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear



Also note that you have one fact wrong. A 2 is not a loser for the Tall bet. Only a 7 loses for those bets.



See, I was still confused. Just because it is not one of the required numbers to win doesn't mean it is a losing number...thanks DJ.
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Beethoven9th
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August 8th, 2013 at 12:38:35 PM permalink
Quote: NewToCraps

heads I win, tails you lose


Sounds like something Bugs Bunny would say. lol!
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FleaStiff
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August 8th, 2013 at 12:39:16 PM permalink
Push means "tie" .... usually the BJ dealer or the Craps dealer will "thump" the table beside your bet to indicate that you are free to pick it up and walk away with it if you should so choose.

If a DonT Come bet is made and a 12 is rolled, the area gets "thumped" to indicate the contract is over and you can do with that stack of chips whatever you want to. (Yeah, Yeah,,,okay... I know: In Reno, its the "2" not the "12).

If a DontCome bet is made and a six is rolled, some players will call out "no action" and the bet is left as a new DonTCome ... this is a very bad thing to do and that is why the casino lets you do it. Players often feel they are getting a better deal since six and eight are so likely to be made, but they are giving up a bet that is in their favor which is why the dealer will encourage you to do it.
DJTeddyBear
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August 8th, 2013 at 1:00:00 PM permalink
And "No action" typically only occurs when a player makes a late bet, or throws in cash to buy in but doesn't make a bet.
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NewToCraps
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August 8th, 2013 at 1:47:10 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

And "No action" typically only occurs when a player makes a late bet, or throws in cash to buy in but doesn't make a bet.



So, for me to use the term "no action" is incorrect for a group of rolls which are not winning rolls, but also are not losing rolls?

I want to use the proper terminolgy when explaining the rules of my SOSI Bet (so I don't sound like too much of a rookie).

If "no action" is the wrong term, what would the proper term be (see my thread "Another craps side bet") for what I want to say .
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DJTeddyBear
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August 8th, 2013 at 1:54:25 PM permalink
"Unresolved" would be the technical term. I don't know what term you'd use to explain it to typical players...
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NewToCraps
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August 8th, 2013 at 1:56:30 PM permalink
Thanks
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CrazyCanuck
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August 8th, 2013 at 2:00:59 PM permalink
Win- The final winning requirement of a bet occurs, player receives > 100% of initial bet.

Loss- the final losing requirement of a bet occurs, bet is 100% lost.

Push/Tie- Bet sequence is complete without a win or loss occurring, original bet is returned to player. As mentioned a 12 on the don’t pass pushes and you may pick up your bet. I’d also consider any place bet to be a push on any number that isn’t a win or a 7 as you can pick up that bet.

Unresolved (“in play”?)- A bet that follows a sequence that potentially requires more than one roll to win or lose, with some potential intermediate events being neither a win nor loss but not a “push” as defined above. The difference between a push and an unresloved bet is that with a push the bet sequence is over and the player can pick up the bet, re-bet it or even increase it, with an unresolved contract bet once it’s made and the sequence is started it must stay until its resolved. Note: a player can end a don’t bet on any established point by accepting a push from the casino, the term here is “no action” although it’s not the same as the definition for “no action” above. Technically I’d say in that instance the bet is resolved in a push by the player requesting and the casino agreeing to the push (one possible sequence known about the contract before the bet is made) and the player starts a new contract bet if he chooses to leave it on the don’t come bar.

No Action- No bet was ever made. Usually occurs where a player tries to make a bet but the casino refuses to accept the bet. Most commonly occurs when a player tries to bet when dice are in the air or later, also possible because bet is not allowed (under table limit, over table limit, come bet on come-out roll etc., trying to bet fire bet after someone else did and shooter has made 1 point). Because no bet was made the original wager is returned as if nothing happened. Good dealers will clearly and loudly say “no action” ASAP to pre-exempt any argument about payouts.
Dice off the table would also be no action with respect to that “throw” of the dice, one of the requirements of a craps bet is both dice stay on the table and produce a number if this doesn’t happen the throw is a “non-throw”. You can see its no-action because after dice go off the table any bet that is not a contract bet in progress can be picked up. Also with short throws you may hear "no roll" meaning despite the dice being thrown the the result does not count, usually do to a short roll.

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