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TheWolf713
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April 17th, 2013 at 7:53:42 PM permalink
Although it is a popular game, The game of craps has taken a back seat to other table games with the youth. And After reading another thread where someone mentioned this idea, do you think it would benefit casinos to hold craps tournaments, shoot outs, or anything that would show so-called "advantage-play"?

What do you think?
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Paigowdan
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April 17th, 2013 at 7:54:51 PM permalink
No game has the juice of craps, just a great game, and it needs to make a comeback.
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AZDuffman
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April 17th, 2013 at 8:19:32 PM permalink
95%+ of what it would do is just move cash players to the tourneys, very few new players would try it out.

As a quasi-craps instructor I can tell you and all that two things keep newbies away. The first is the intimidation factor. From having to literally push your way to the rail on a busy night to the 95+ bets on the table to the slang of the game, craps scares people away. Of course this is part of what experienced players like about it. It is a secret club of sorts.

The second thing keeping people away is craps bores many people and it really bores women. Guys will take time to learn it so they can hang with the expert players. Women get tired of waiting for resolutions on long rolls. I see it happen anytime I am dealing/teaching.

Most people need a mentor to really learn the game. And half the people who think they know it do not really know it, they know a few bets. This week I had a darkside player who knew enough to know DP but was amazed at some of what I showed him.

Don't get me wrong, the game is great. But tournaments will not make it work. What will make it work? A craps version of "Rounders." A good movie about players and dealers. If we get that, casinos will need far more tables.

Maybe I should get to writing some screenplay..........
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JW17
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April 17th, 2013 at 8:58:19 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman


As a quasi-craps instructor I can tell you and all that two things keep newbies away. The first is the intimidation factor. From having to literally push your way to the rail on a busy night to the 95+ bets on the table to the slang of the game, craps scares people away. Of course this is part of what experienced players like about it. It is a secret club of sorts.
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Exactly what I was going to say, it is intimidating and takes time at the table to learn.

Mission146
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April 17th, 2013 at 9:18:57 PM permalink
I agree with AZDuffman and JW17, but I think the thing that scares off new players the most is people that are familiar with the game but unwilling to help.

There were two younger guys at the table with me, full table, probably four or five times ago when I went and the other players were just giving them flack for asking so many questions and slowing the game down. For example, one guy says, "I've heard people say, 'dollar-Yo,'' and I always thought that sounded funny, what does that mean?" One of the guys at the Table responds, "It's a bet you only make if you're an asshole."

That sort of thing isn't going to help attract people to the game, these kids were just having a good time and the second kid went on an absolute monster roll! He went 20+ without the Seven showing and made three points, he also had placed the Ten and hit three of those in a row, two of them the Hard Way.

Anyway, I grabbed my chips and pushed my way in-between the first of the two kids and this guy who was now to my right making a big fuss about how I was just moving so I could shoot again. God, what a mean table that night! I said, "No, I'll pass them, but I'm moving here because these guys are going to ask me questions about Craps and I am going to give them straight answers."

I think that's what people need, though, Craps is a great game in that...when you hold the dice...you can't help but feel like you have more than a random involvement in the outcome, even if you don't. I think that the same proportion of younger players could hold an interest in Craps now as those that did years ago, but it's all going to start with people being decent to one another at the table and taking time to help others out. I've got my Pass Line Bet, I've got my Odds, I may or may not have a $1.00 Fire Bet, (SSSHHHH....don't tell The Wizard) so I'm just standing there waiting for something to happen...why not take the time to be friendly and helpful?
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petroglyph
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April 17th, 2013 at 10:21:47 PM permalink
I voted yes. It would help. The casino marketing people could give a more informed answer. They have the tourney's for black jack and slots, it must be
helping the house or again they wouldn't be doing it?
It seems to me those contestant's are likely to bring a friend whether or not they enter the contest
but would gain interest. The contestants are likely to go home afterwards and talk about what they did, at work or social get together's. Probably take
a while but other's will give it a try. [Build it and they will come, right? f.o.d.] We've all seen a newbie stating a friend told them how much fun it was
so they are there to try it out.
Maybe a small plaque with basic rules or strategy if the casino doesn't give lesson's? Maybe give away free dice control books? The lure of easy money.
It does seem many casino's would just as soon take the table's out and put in "popcorn craps" or 10 slot machine's in that floor space and get rid of the crews.
Maybe it's up to the player's to encourage the casino's? But that doesn't seem right does it? I've been trying for some time to get them to install
web cam's over the table's, so I can check on the game before I head out to win.
Doc
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April 17th, 2013 at 10:32:15 PM permalink
"Would a craps tournament help or hurt the game?"

What the heck direction would a "Yes" answer, or a "No" answer indicate? Yes, it would help? Yes, it would hurt? ?????


I didn't bother to vote. It might contradict my intent.
AlanMendelson
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April 17th, 2013 at 11:01:39 PM permalink
I don't know if it's because Im getting older... but I see a lot more younger players at the craps tables now. It wasn't too long ago when Caesars only had one table open overnights, and now there are two open. And on the weekends when Ive been there in the last year all the tables are full and with younger folks. They don't bet much but they are loud.
MrV
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April 17th, 2013 at 11:09:33 PM permalink
Craps needs more mainstream exposure in order to become part of the American Landscape once again.

I can see a renaissance starting if kids shooting craps are prominently featured in TV shows and movies; it needs to develop a vibe.

Perhaps if kids come up playing "street caps" for nickels and dimes, that will plant the seed that will soon fester into a full blown itch.
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AlanMendelson
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April 17th, 2013 at 11:49:12 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Craps needs more mainstream exposure...



Ahigh needs to add bikini-clad dealers and a stickperson to his show. That will do the trick.

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