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Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 2:47:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

LOL! We empathize with you, dude. Ahigh will
be along any minute to tell you you're wrong.
His response to everything is 'You're wrong'

He's the 'wrong' guy..



You're wrong. I was ALREADY done posting when you replied.

GEEEESH!!!
EvenBob
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April 11th, 2013 at 3:03:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

You're wrong. !



Yes, we know, everybody is wrong and you're right.
They have meds for this kind of thing, check into it.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 3:10:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yes, we know, everybody is wrong and you're right.
They have meds for this kind of thing, check into it.



DUDE! You don't care if you're wrong or not! Don't pretend you do. But yeah, I tell you that you're wrong a lot because you are.
EvenBob
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April 11th, 2013 at 3:43:46 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

DUDE! You don't care if you're wrong or not! ..



DUDE! You tell EVERYBODY they're wrong! Alan was wrong
every time he posted. Everybody is wrong except you, or
haven't you noticed. I don't even pay attention to it, you're
like a kid with a stutter..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
thecesspit
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April 11th, 2013 at 4:07:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

DUDE! You tell EVERYBODY they're wrong! Alan was wrong
every time he posted. Everybody is wrong except you, or
haven't you noticed. I don't even pay attention to it, you're
like a kid with a stutter..



This post... ironic, don't you think?
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
MrPapagiorgio
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April 11th, 2013 at 4:34:22 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

This post... ironic, don't you think?



So I says to him, I said "Get your own monkey!"
TheWolf713
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April 11th, 2013 at 6:15:48 PM permalink
So back to the Original Post...


When does it start?

Can i just say say...."Im going to roll a hard 8... 90 rolls later... THERE IT GOES!!! That was influenced" Im not trying to disrespect anyone, but Im really trying to understand the exact point when it happens. Does it only apply to 'Desired outcome' only? Are the 89 rolls prior to it considered null??
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Zcore13
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April 11th, 2013 at 6:21:57 PM permalink
I think you may have just nailed it.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
AlanMendelson
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April 11th, 2013 at 6:24:59 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

So back to the Original Post...


When does it start?

Can i just say say...."Im going to roll a hard 8... 90 rolls later... THERE IT GOES!!! That was influenced" Im not trying to disrespect anyone, but Im really trying to understand the exact point when it happens. Does it only apply to 'Desired outcome' only? Are the 89 rolls prior to it considered null??



There seems to be a very loose definition of dice control and even dice influencing here. And that has been my point from the beginning. Early on I asked for a "definition" and everybody detoured around it.

TheWolf has now taken the lack of a definition to the extreme here, and pretty much, his satire is spot on. This is how dice control has been defined: if I plan to do something and it happens to come along eventually then I was controlling the dice.

This is why I also reject the idea that dice controllers need luck. For heaven's sake, either your are controlling the dice or you're not. Luck is not an issue.
Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 8:47:08 PM permalink
These terms are meaningless first of all.

Advantage Play is what I would use as a term.

Here is how I attempt (not perform) advantage play, and I generally do this every day.

I start with a line bet at the minimum amount, and I bet flat bets and I gauge my confidence to roll what I want to roll.

If things are going well, and my confidence improves that I am landing where I want and getting results that look good to my eye in terms of what I hope to see, I try to remain calm as I increase my bets.

For my shot, I might then go with a $30 8 and a $5 hard 8 and try to hit a hard 8.

If I hit that, I consider that a break-even point and try to hit another hard 8.

If I hit another hard 8, I consider myself ahead, and I then start the whole process over after feeling a moment of "success."

In general, when I am attempting to advantage play, I try to flat bet for a hit, and hopefully two hits, and then I'm down, especially if my confidence goes down, my bets come down.

I am not a blackjack player, but coming down when I don't feel confidence is as important to me as a card counter decreasing his bets when he feels he no longer has an advantage.

Those who think that you have to deliver thousands of shots regardless of your state of mind or how confident you feel about your shot or who merely look at the house edge of each and every bet more closely than what number those bets are associated with, in my opinion, are more likely not as experienced. Or they are possibly just betting smart and not shooting towards the bets that they have.

But to recap, this is just my attempt as I admit I am not currently a lifetime winner at craps.

I don't know if this answers any questions, but the other answer, to me, is when I turn $25 into $1,500 (without having more money in my pocket or easily accessible) that's a moment where I think "I wonder if my method of play is responsible for that or if it was luck."

When I do that 3 or 4 times in a week and buy a gold bar to lock up those wins and do it again, that's a moment where I feel somewhat confidence that there's a chance that there's something there besides just luck.

But it could just be luck.

That's my perspective anyway.

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