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February 6th, 2013 at 3:58:09 PM
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Ahigh
You avoided my statement, so now I will ask the question, if you are not trying to roll 7's on the come out roll, then wouldn't all those 7's be losers? Didn't you say that you do not try to roll 7's on the come out rolls?
Now Ahigh most fiction writers would be very pleased for someone to say they were a great fiction writer, I give credit where credit is do. The same thing goes for anybody that thinks of themselves as a so-called DI!
Now just please answer the questions, so we all can see what you are doing.
Maybe you should read some of the rants he goes on with all the name calling he does, because you don't know what you are writing about on this one.
You avoided my statement, so now I will ask the question, if you are not trying to roll 7's on the come out roll, then wouldn't all those 7's be losers? Didn't you say that you do not try to roll 7's on the come out rolls?
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Ahigh
In fact, I could call _you_ one of the great "fiction writers" .. and "so-called DI's." You fit the description of your own loathsome terms!
Now Ahigh most fiction writers would be very pleased for someone to say they were a great fiction writer, I give credit where credit is do. The same thing goes for anybody that thinks of themselves as a so-called DI!
Now just please answer the questions, so we all can see what you are doing.
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Look, I think in spite of all your criticisms of the Mad Professor, he doesn't have the habit you have of attacking other people.
Maybe you should read some of the rants he goes on with all the name calling he does, because you don't know what you are writing about on this one.
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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February 6th, 2013 at 4:35:34 PM
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Great Fiction Writer and so-Called DI are your favorite terms.
On last night's show my goal was to roll the fewest number of sevens out of the 200 rolls including the comeout rolls.
I stated that during the show for everyone to hear before I got started.
When I rolled two winner sevens on the comeout I verbalized that I was not hoping to roll sevens.
When I am in the casino, I don't even bet the way these charts are showing standard betting strategies.
My betting strategies when I bet in the casino are anything but standard strategies. I bet according to what I think I can roll at the time and to minimize my risk as much as possible while giving myself a target to shoot for to win something. I would not even try to code up the way I bet into my simulator.
But I do not have a simple answer for "are you trying to roll 7's on the comeout?"
I wasn't last night, and I made it really really clear if you were listening from the beginning that I wasn't trying to roll any sevens at all on the comeout or otherwise.
And since we are on the subject, every time you use the terms "so called DI" or "great fiction writer" I roll my eyes.
On last night's show my goal was to roll the fewest number of sevens out of the 200 rolls including the comeout rolls.
I stated that during the show for everyone to hear before I got started.
When I rolled two winner sevens on the comeout I verbalized that I was not hoping to roll sevens.
When I am in the casino, I don't even bet the way these charts are showing standard betting strategies.
My betting strategies when I bet in the casino are anything but standard strategies. I bet according to what I think I can roll at the time and to minimize my risk as much as possible while giving myself a target to shoot for to win something. I would not even try to code up the way I bet into my simulator.
But I do not have a simple answer for "are you trying to roll 7's on the comeout?"
I wasn't last night, and I made it really really clear if you were listening from the beginning that I wasn't trying to roll any sevens at all on the comeout or otherwise.
And since we are on the subject, every time you use the terms "so called DI" or "great fiction writer" I roll my eyes.
aahigh.com
February 6th, 2013 at 4:41:32 PM
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In case you're curious about my betting strategies in the casino, I make lots of and very large pass line and come bets. The one that you claim is a sucker bet.
Since I disclosed my P/L statement, maybe you could do that too....(!!!)
Very curious how things are going with your making crap check bets and other hedges.
Since I disclosed my P/L statement, maybe you could do that too....(!!!)
Very curious how things are going with your making crap check bets and other hedges.
aahigh.com
February 6th, 2013 at 5:25:23 PM
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Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 6th, 2013 at 5:31:11 PM
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as the OP on this thread, I'm quite proud of the debate it has inspired. No, I wasn't trolling.
Each day is better than the next
February 6th, 2013 at 5:37:08 PM
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I just want to comment on the subject of playing on empty tables and landing zones:
I will never forget playing at a table with two others. I was stick right, and a second player was at the end of the table to my right. The third player was stick-left and he was a "dice controller."
He asked the player at the end of the table if he would mind moving his chips either to the left or to the right because, he said, "you're in my landing zone."
The player at the end of the table cordially agreed and moved his chips to the corner of the table.
The dice controller threw the dice and it was a point of 6. Smack dab in the middle of the landing zone.
The dice controller made his bets and picked up the dice and made his second roll... smack dab in the middle of the landing zone... and seven-out.
I have seen that hapen so many times. That was just one of the times.
I will never forget playing at a table with two others. I was stick right, and a second player was at the end of the table to my right. The third player was stick-left and he was a "dice controller."
He asked the player at the end of the table if he would mind moving his chips either to the left or to the right because, he said, "you're in my landing zone."
The player at the end of the table cordially agreed and moved his chips to the corner of the table.
The dice controller threw the dice and it was a point of 6. Smack dab in the middle of the landing zone.
The dice controller made his bets and picked up the dice and made his second roll... smack dab in the middle of the landing zone... and seven-out.
I have seen that hapen so many times. That was just one of the times.
February 6th, 2013 at 5:39:43 PM
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Did the guy at the end of the table move his chips back?Quote: AlanMendelsonI just want to comment on the subject of playing on empty tables and landing zones:
I will never forget playing at a table with two others. I was stick right, and a second player was at the end of the table to my right. The third player was stick-left and he was a "dice controller."
He asked the player at the end of the table if he would mind moving his chips either to the left or to the right because, he said, "you're in my landing zone."
The player at the end of the table cordially agreed and moved his chips to the corner of the table.
The dice controller threw the dice and it was a point of 6. Smack dab in the middle of the landing zone.
The dice controller made his bets and picked up the dice and made his second roll... smack dab in the middle of the landing zone... and seven-out.
I have seen that hapen so many times. That was just one of the times.
Each day is better than the next
February 6th, 2013 at 5:47:36 PM
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What I usually do is I take *my* bets down and I will have neutral action and then I will intentionally try to land the dice on the chips in my landing zone.
If I have travelled come bets, I will neutralize them in order to accomplish this.
For the four and ten, add 33% plus vig and lay that amount.
For the five and nine, add 20% plus vig and lay that amount.
For the six and eight add 9% plus vig and lay that amount.
This is only worth doing if you have really large come bets (winning at least $20 on the lay) that have traveled that you would be taking down if they were place bets instead.
With no effective action, then I just do whatever I feel like doing that seems like fun, and I laugh and laugh and laugh.
Sometimes this causes people to leave and then I have the table to myself.
I've told this to Teddy, but I can clear a table pretty easily.
The dealers hate it, especially when there are Georges at the table so you can shoot, the George can win, and the dealers can get tipped.
But when they get to know you, and they know you just want to shoot well with no troubles, they will do a better job of keeping the Georges at the table.
I still don't generally care if someone who is doing something I don't like loses.
If it's somebody I like, I always look out for my buds, though. And I'll shoot with no effective bets pretty frequently when others are at the tables.
If I have travelled come bets, I will neutralize them in order to accomplish this.
For the four and ten, add 33% plus vig and lay that amount.
For the five and nine, add 20% plus vig and lay that amount.
For the six and eight add 9% plus vig and lay that amount.
This is only worth doing if you have really large come bets (winning at least $20 on the lay) that have traveled that you would be taking down if they were place bets instead.
With no effective action, then I just do whatever I feel like doing that seems like fun, and I laugh and laugh and laugh.
Sometimes this causes people to leave and then I have the table to myself.
I've told this to Teddy, but I can clear a table pretty easily.
The dealers hate it, especially when there are Georges at the table so you can shoot, the George can win, and the dealers can get tipped.
But when they get to know you, and they know you just want to shoot well with no troubles, they will do a better job of keeping the Georges at the table.
I still don't generally care if someone who is doing something I don't like loses.
If it's somebody I like, I always look out for my buds, though. And I'll shoot with no effective bets pretty frequently when others are at the tables.
aahigh.com
February 6th, 2013 at 5:50:05 PM
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I did not see the show last night (too slow of a connection on my end)Quote: AhighOn last night's show my goal was to roll the fewest number of sevens out of the 200 rolls including the comeout rolls.
I wasn't last night, and I made it really really clear if you were listening from the beginning that I wasn't trying to roll any sevens at all on the comeout or otherwise.
You may not have been trying but you did roll 8 7s on the come out roll.
You had 51 come out rolls in your 200 rolls.
EV would be 51/6 = 8.5
Just about as expected... without even not trying
Time is right to compare your actual casino dice rolls to your at home dice rolls.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
February 6th, 2013 at 5:51:10 PM
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Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 6th, 2013 at 7:07:04 PM
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Ahigh, if you have a $25,000 credit line, Caesars will give you your own table.
But a word of caution. I was playing one Friday night and the casino was busy... very busy. And a whale and his buddy come in on short notice and they are at our table "waiting" for a table to be opened up for them. It seems the pit wasn't notitied in time. So these two whales play at our table... ten thousand flat bets plus full odds and they were doing the pass with odds plus two come bets with odds thing.
Well, another crew would not be ready for awhile, so they closed our table to new players.
Yes, they had to suffer along with us low-lifes until we low lifes left and then the table was theirs.
About a half hour later me and the other three at the table were gone (the high rollers weren't very good at shooting... and neither were we) and that's when they had their table.
But a word of caution. I was playing one Friday night and the casino was busy... very busy. And a whale and his buddy come in on short notice and they are at our table "waiting" for a table to be opened up for them. It seems the pit wasn't notitied in time. So these two whales play at our table... ten thousand flat bets plus full odds and they were doing the pass with odds plus two come bets with odds thing.
Well, another crew would not be ready for awhile, so they closed our table to new players.
Yes, they had to suffer along with us low-lifes until we low lifes left and then the table was theirs.
About a half hour later me and the other three at the table were gone (the high rollers weren't very good at shooting... and neither were we) and that's when they had their table.
February 6th, 2013 at 7:08:15 PM
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Ahigh
You may think that I'm picking on you but I'm not, all I'm trying to do is to get you to clarify what you are doing. If you are not trying to roll 7's on the come-out then they should go against your SRR when you roll them! You can't say that it was a good 7 because it was on the come-out roll.
So please let us know if you are counting those come-out 7's against your SRR. From what I've saw about your software and your charts you have come-out winner on your 7's. So I think some of us is very confused about what you are doing.
Okay moving on here is a quote that you made that I will pat you on the back for.
When I talked to you on the phone the first time I told you that you would be better off by betting on the 4's and 10's because of the ROI, if you could roll those points. This has not been a standard betting strategy. The problem with most so-called DI's is that they have been lead down The Yellow Brick Road by some of the writers on craps, by only betting on certain points.
Ahigh, Ahigh, Ahigh don't you think that there are a lot of us that roll our eyes every time you tell the world that you are the best shooter out there, when all you show is random rolling on all your videos?
Ahigh sorry I'm not into telling about about what I win or lose in a casino, unlike you I do not have to prove anything, I would never walk into a casino and Put $20,000 on a table because of low self esteem, having to fill out paper work just to put that money on the table then not betting it! Sorry again but I do read alot about psychology and why people do anything.
There is a lot that has been written on why we gamble and the different personalities we see on the tables.
Now again I'm not picking on you but what else can anybody deduce from you doing that, now if you bet that money it would be a different story. I over heard one of the dealers telling that story about you and the dealer said I guess he wanted to show us he has money. I know that you even wrote about what you did. You are constantly tell everybody on this board about what you have and that you can afford to gamble. Unfortunately that wasn't what you said after blowing out your bankroll. Maybe that is why I'm questioning you about anything you write. Is it because you want to be the center of attention or is your quest real.
If it's real you probably would take criticism better, then it wouldn't be that you know more then anybody else on anything you write, sorry but that is what comes out in all your writing when someone says anything that is not patting you on your back! You might also get some help with what you are doing if we all knew exactly what you were doing, besides putting on a show for everybody!
Anytime you want to see how to use crap cheaks to your advantage, I'll be more they happy to show you in a real casino, you can give me a call to set it up, but again I would not put out a video to show the world, my face and what I'm doing it a real casino! Remember this one; there are no stupid bets on a craps table when you are hitting them!
This shouldn't be about you and I, just answer that questions, and I won't have to write about anything else!
You may think that I'm picking on you but I'm not, all I'm trying to do is to get you to clarify what you are doing. If you are not trying to roll 7's on the come-out then they should go against your SRR when you roll them! You can't say that it was a good 7 because it was on the come-out roll.
So please let us know if you are counting those come-out 7's against your SRR. From what I've saw about your software and your charts you have come-out winner on your 7's. So I think some of us is very confused about what you are doing.
Okay moving on here is a quote that you made that I will pat you on the back for.
Quote:Ahigh
My betting strategies when I bet in the casino are anything but standard strategies. I bet according to what I think I can roll at the time and to minimize my risk as much as possible while giving myself a target to shoot for to win something. I would not even try to code up the way I bet into my simulator.
When I talked to you on the phone the first time I told you that you would be better off by betting on the 4's and 10's because of the ROI, if you could roll those points. This has not been a standard betting strategy. The problem with most so-called DI's is that they have been lead down The Yellow Brick Road by some of the writers on craps, by only betting on certain points.
Quote:Ahigh
And since we are on the subject, every time you use the terms "so called DI" or "great fiction writer" I roll my eyes. .
Ahigh, Ahigh, Ahigh don't you think that there are a lot of us that roll our eyes every time you tell the world that you are the best shooter out there, when all you show is random rolling on all your videos?
Quote:Ahigh
Since I disclosed my P/L statement, maybe you could do that too....(!!!)
Ahigh sorry I'm not into telling about about what I win or lose in a casino, unlike you I do not have to prove anything, I would never walk into a casino and Put $20,000 on a table because of low self esteem, having to fill out paper work just to put that money on the table then not betting it! Sorry again but I do read alot about psychology and why people do anything.
There is a lot that has been written on why we gamble and the different personalities we see on the tables.
Now again I'm not picking on you but what else can anybody deduce from you doing that, now if you bet that money it would be a different story. I over heard one of the dealers telling that story about you and the dealer said I guess he wanted to show us he has money. I know that you even wrote about what you did. You are constantly tell everybody on this board about what you have and that you can afford to gamble. Unfortunately that wasn't what you said after blowing out your bankroll. Maybe that is why I'm questioning you about anything you write. Is it because you want to be the center of attention or is your quest real.
If it's real you probably would take criticism better, then it wouldn't be that you know more then anybody else on anything you write, sorry but that is what comes out in all your writing when someone says anything that is not patting you on your back! You might also get some help with what you are doing if we all knew exactly what you were doing, besides putting on a show for everybody!
Quote:Ahigh
Very curious how things are going with your making crap check bets and other hedges.
Anytime you want to see how to use crap cheaks to your advantage, I'll be more they happy to show you in a real casino, you can give me a call to set it up, but again I would not put out a video to show the world, my face and what I'm doing it a real casino! Remember this one; there are no stupid bets on a craps table when you are hitting them!
This shouldn't be about you and I, just answer that questions, and I won't have to write about anything else!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
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February 6th, 2013 at 7:52:02 PM
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Are those the highest limits one can play at in Las Vegas? I was watching a video of Phil Ivey playing at the Wynn, and he was doing $5k with full odds (always coming), and then he went over to Caesars and bet $10k, same thing.Quote: AlanMendelsonten thousand flat bets plus full odds and they were doing the pass with odds plus two come bets with odds thing.
At Caesars Windsor you can bet $50k on a number. 5x odds. Not sure of the max $$ on the odds.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
February 6th, 2013 at 8:54:17 PM
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I think the maximum flat bet at Caesars is $30,000. I've never seen it.
$10K flat bet with full odds is the most I've ever seen.
About 7 years ago -- at a $10 table -- there was a don't bettor with $5K don't come bets with full odds. When I walked up to the table there were a bunch of lamers in front of the boxman in the range of 100,000 to 250,000 and next to the lamers was a white bathroom tile, about 4" by 4" and on it was written 1,000,000 which was a lamer for a million bucks. Abut an hour later there were two bathroom tiles on the table as the table got hot. He eventually won it back plus a profit of $110,000. but I never saw a don't bet greater than $5k flat with full odds and he was continuously betting the DC until the shooter 7'd-out.
$10K flat bet with full odds is the most I've ever seen.
About 7 years ago -- at a $10 table -- there was a don't bettor with $5K don't come bets with full odds. When I walked up to the table there were a bunch of lamers in front of the boxman in the range of 100,000 to 250,000 and next to the lamers was a white bathroom tile, about 4" by 4" and on it was written 1,000,000 which was a lamer for a million bucks. Abut an hour later there were two bathroom tiles on the table as the table got hot. He eventually won it back plus a profit of $110,000. but I never saw a don't bet greater than $5k flat with full odds and he was continuously betting the DC until the shooter 7'd-out.
February 6th, 2013 at 10:24:33 PM
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Quote: teddysI was watching a video of Phil Ivey playing at the Wynn, and he was doing $5k with full odds (always coming), and then he went over to Caesars and bet $10k, same thing.
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Ivey shooting dice
Enjoyable vid!"What, me worry?"
February 7th, 2013 at 7:27:29 AM
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Caesar's is $50,000 max bet. The means you can win $97,500 by buying the 4 or the 10. But you can win more than that on a single roll:
I don't know this, but based on what I have learned, I believe they would allow simultaenously:
$50,000 buy on the 4
$15,000 hard 4 / hard 10
$10,000 hard 6 / hard 8
$2,500 hi, lo, or hardway hopping
$5,000 easy hops
$100,000 lay 4/10
$75,000 lay 5/9
$60,000 lay 6/8
Generally speaking, you're going to be limited to take $150,000 and down on any bet you make, and another constraint of somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000 limit on any pay that you get. They usually let the hard 4/10 pay more a little more, but some places pull that back instead of letting it go over. YMMV.
But the most pay per roll? Consider you can make a $50,000 passline bet. Let say you establish a point of 4. So you make $50,000 odds bet, then you buy the 4 for $50,000, and get a $15,000 hard 4, $2,500 hard four hopping, $50,000 in the field and a $50,000 DC bet.
In one roll you win:
$50,000 - passline
$100,000 - odds
$97,500 - buy bet
$105,000 - hard four
$75,000 - hard four hopping
$16,666 - player's winning/edge from rolling a four into the DC bet
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$444,166 winnings in a single roll on a $50,000 limit table.
In general you can do this and win ten times the max bet in a single roll on just about any table. You have to take a lot of stupid bets to get paid more, but if you're lucky and don't keep pressing your luck, you can get paid more in a single roll than the casino really wants you to get paid if that's your goal. Of course experimenting with getting paid more than they like it more affordable at a $500 max table! But generally speaking you can just lop off two zeros from this math and it's the same answer.
I don't know this, but based on what I have learned, I believe they would allow simultaenously:
$50,000 buy on the 4
$15,000 hard 4 / hard 10
$10,000 hard 6 / hard 8
$2,500 hi, lo, or hardway hopping
$5,000 easy hops
$100,000 lay 4/10
$75,000 lay 5/9
$60,000 lay 6/8
Generally speaking, you're going to be limited to take $150,000 and down on any bet you make, and another constraint of somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000 limit on any pay that you get. They usually let the hard 4/10 pay more a little more, but some places pull that back instead of letting it go over. YMMV.
But the most pay per roll? Consider you can make a $50,000 passline bet. Let say you establish a point of 4. So you make $50,000 odds bet, then you buy the 4 for $50,000, and get a $15,000 hard 4, $2,500 hard four hopping, $50,000 in the field and a $50,000 DC bet.
In one roll you win:
$50,000 - passline
$100,000 - odds
$97,500 - buy bet
$105,000 - hard four
$75,000 - hard four hopping
$16,666 - player's winning/edge from rolling a four into the DC bet
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$444,166 winnings in a single roll on a $50,000 limit table.
In general you can do this and win ten times the max bet in a single roll on just about any table. You have to take a lot of stupid bets to get paid more, but if you're lucky and don't keep pressing your luck, you can get paid more in a single roll than the casino really wants you to get paid if that's your goal. Of course experimenting with getting paid more than they like it more affordable at a $500 max table! But generally speaking you can just lop off two zeros from this math and it's the same answer.
aahigh.com
February 7th, 2013 at 7:34:21 AM
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I don't do credit with any casinos. I always play just with cash. I rarely buy in for more than $1,000. My typical buy-in is $100 to $1,000 and is usually $300 or less.
I am not used to doing $100 minimum tables yet. I've only done that twice now. But I have had thousands on the felt a few times. It is VERY atypical for me to do that.
I am not used to doing $100 minimum tables yet. I've only done that twice now. But I have had thousands on the felt a few times. It is VERY atypical for me to do that.
aahigh.com
February 7th, 2013 at 10:05:45 AM
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There's something for Aaron in this comic strip. The third panel could be directed at me though [g].
PS: that's 1250 eight hour days.
PS: that's 1250 eight hour days.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 7th, 2013 at 11:29:05 AM
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Hey thanks for throwing me a bone. Plenty of people think I am mental (at least related to this specific pursuit) as evidenced by reactions on this board. I think responding to people who criticize me is much more harmful to my health than the focus I have had on this task for coming up on three years now though.
aahigh.com
February 7th, 2013 at 11:37:10 AM
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Quote: AhighHey thanks for throwing me a bone.
I hope you were ready for some humor.
Quote: Ahigh...coming up on three years now though.
According to the formula, you've got about 7 more years to go if you are doing 5 days a week, 4 hours a day, 50 weeks a year!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 7th, 2013 at 2:35:04 PM
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I would have been much better off focusing on yahoo finance instead of WOV lately.
I've not done any stock trading during the time that the markets had their best bull run in I don't know how long. LOL.
When I blew out my bankroll, I made a killing in the market right after that since all my craps play time was spent doing stock stuff.
Anyway, I will live long enough and have enough time to have a year or two of knowing what I'm doing before I croak.
I've not done any stock trading during the time that the markets had their best bull run in I don't know how long. LOL.
When I blew out my bankroll, I made a killing in the market right after that since all my craps play time was spent doing stock stuff.
Anyway, I will live long enough and have enough time to have a year or two of knowing what I'm doing before I croak.
aahigh.com
February 9th, 2013 at 6:24:25 AM
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nice night at the table
8 throws, 9.12 SRR and triple my buy in, nice additon to my craps account
Dicesitter
8 throws, 9.12 SRR and triple my buy in, nice additon to my craps account
Dicesitter
February 9th, 2013 at 7:57:17 AM
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Quote: AhighI don't do credit with any casinos. I always play just with cash.
Ahigh, players use credit lines because they don't want to carry cash. They don't use credit lines because they need cash.
February 9th, 2013 at 8:01:34 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
February 9th, 2013 at 8:16:28 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesOne of the last things I want a casino to have is my financial history. I want them to think I'm poor and stupid, not doing decent and smart.
Sure, if you are an AP.
Aaron is not.
"What, me worry?"
February 9th, 2013 at 8:17:30 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
February 9th, 2013 at 9:00:23 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesOne of the last things I want a casino to have is my financial history. I want them to think I'm poor and stupid, not doing decent and smart.
I would think the best profile is for them to think you are rich and stupid
February 9th, 2013 at 11:13:27 AM
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Quote: sodawaterI would think the best profile is for them to think you are rich and stupid
I have got half that profile down pat.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 9th, 2013 at 11:40:26 AM
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Quote: MrVSure, if you are an AP.
Aaron is not.
Why did you say you didn't want to play craps with me again? I thought it was because you said you didn't feel like you could measure up to my expectations for good company.
I don't know, but there are a lot of weird people who post on these forums. I thought Teddy was a relatively normal guy and we were probably playing 20 hours a week and having a blast.
Maybe you're worried that if I am a controlled shooter I could bust out your bankroll like I did Teddy's. He still doesn't believe in advantage play, but he might believe in disadvantaged play at this point.
I'll tell you what, though, with all those comments you make about me that are not so nice, if we did go out and play, I could find fun in the event whether you won or lost. But I'm not sure what would be more fun for me.
If you really think all of my shooting is random though, bet big on my shots and bet opposite my bets and see if you can win while I lose.
Just making comments like this is just begging for attention from me.
I'm not claiming to be an AP and never have. But if you believe firmly that I'm not, play with me and bet accordingly. Then you can do a dance when you win on my randomly bad shots!!!!
That is if you actually knew how to have a good time.
SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME
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February 9th, 2013 at 11:50:22 AM
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Random is as random does. Betting with you or against you, the HE would eventually win out.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 9th, 2013 at 12:34:18 PM
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Quote: BuzzardRandom is as random does. Betting with you or against you, the HE would eventually win out.
Certainly in a million rolls assuming that everything is in fact 100% random. Add to this, you will die. We all will die. Certainly truths as well!
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February 9th, 2013 at 1:03:20 PM
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Quote: AhighWhy did you say you didn't want to play craps with me again?
To summarize: you seem to need clowns to keep you entertained; the circus ain't my thing.
"What, me worry?"
February 9th, 2013 at 1:30:10 PM
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Quote: MrVTo summarize: you seem to need clowns to keep you entertained; the circus ain't my thing.
So you didn't want to meet because you were worried I might not be entertained?
Come on now. I think we should get together and play as much trouble as you give me. What could possibly be the reason why you wouldn't want to play craps with me?
Because I want to have fun is a pretty weak reason.
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February 9th, 2013 at 1:51:20 PM
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I also shoot craps for "fun," or more particularly for "entertainment."
But really, what would be the point of us doing a meet and greet at a craps table?
The notion that I've anything to fear from you or your craps play is absurd.
I am not particularly talkative; most of what I have to say (at least in public: these boards are a different story!) is "worth saying."
You are quite talkative; what's worse, I find little value in what you say, at least based on your TV broadcast; I fear I could not tolerate a regular dose of such prattle while shooting craps.
Were we to meet at a craps table I feel you've nothing to teach me, no bag of tricks worth displaying: so why would I want to meet you and shoot craps with you?
Nothing personal really, but I feel the same way about pretty much everyone.
I am perfectly content to play without interacting with other players, although I frequently engage in terse conversations with others.
Craps is not a social outlet for me; I deal with people constantly in my job; when not working I am a lone wolf, which suits me just fine.
So no, Aaron, I will not play with you.
Get over it.
But really, what would be the point of us doing a meet and greet at a craps table?
The notion that I've anything to fear from you or your craps play is absurd.
I am not particularly talkative; most of what I have to say (at least in public: these boards are a different story!) is "worth saying."
You are quite talkative; what's worse, I find little value in what you say, at least based on your TV broadcast; I fear I could not tolerate a regular dose of such prattle while shooting craps.
Were we to meet at a craps table I feel you've nothing to teach me, no bag of tricks worth displaying: so why would I want to meet you and shoot craps with you?
Nothing personal really, but I feel the same way about pretty much everyone.
I am perfectly content to play without interacting with other players, although I frequently engage in terse conversations with others.
Craps is not a social outlet for me; I deal with people constantly in my job; when not working I am a lone wolf, which suits me just fine.
So no, Aaron, I will not play with you.
Get over it.
"What, me worry?"
February 9th, 2013 at 2:03:49 PM
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Quote: MrVGet over it.
Wow. I'm over it bro. And GOOD LUCK. I didn't know it was really that bad...
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February 9th, 2013 at 2:32:49 PM
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Ahigh, give it up dude. The only explanation I can come up with as it relates to your relentless postings is that you love getting beat down. Your not going to win in this forum. I feel like I'm witnessing a gang rape. If you can control the dice, go do it.....lots on empty tables waiting for your action. You seem like a decent guy that has a dream. The same dream that everybody has overtly or secretly has in these forums. Beating s...bag casinos. Just let it go.....Quote: AhighWow. I'm over it bro. And GOOD LUCK. I didn't know it was really that bad...
February 9th, 2013 at 6:05:47 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
February 9th, 2013 at 8:26:47 PM
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Quote: stoneynvAhigh, give it up dude. The only explanation I can come up with as it relates to your relentless postings is that you love getting beat down. Your not going to win in this forum. I feel like I'm witnessing a gang rape. If you can control the dice, go do it.....lots on empty tables waiting for your action. You seem like a decent guy that has a dream. The same dream that everybody has overtly or secretly has in these forums. Beating s...bag casinos. Just let it go.....
I think several people have projected that onto me, but I don't really think so.
I have a genuine interest and passion for the game. As far as the continuous beat-down, that is typical on this forum. It's not just me that gets what you referred to as "gang raped."
This is the Wizard of Vegas forum. There are plenty of examples of other people getting beat down before me for all types of things.
If you look at the posts histories of many of these people participating in this behavior, they were often previously the subjects of very much the same behavior being done to them.
As far as giving it up, why would I? You can project and everyone else can project that I am just trying to beat the casino, but I'm really not. I'm playing a game, and I am having fun at it. I do want to prove that AP craps play is possible, but that's really more a desire to settle a long-standing debate than anything else. It's not so I can become a professional gambler. I've already stated that I have no interests to become a professional gambler, but if I did, I assure you I would choose an easier path! I am not so stupid to think that craps is the best path to AP.
Everyone wants to get in my head to understand why I am doing this, but I don't think very many people can relate to my motivations for passion in the game of craps.
The die balancer that I built was another example of my pursuit to resolve a long-standing debate. And frankly that's an easier debate that in my mind is resolved, yet many people still believe that biased dice are intentionally being used by casinos. In that example, there were far fewer people believing in biased dice, and I think I may have convinced some people that imbalanced dice are not a huge factor. But the main guys like Harley and Koga took 140 samples to light that flame right back up, and have already "proven" to themselves all they want to prove to themselves with basically no info at all.
I gave up on that quest as so few people believed that biased dice existed anyway, it was sort of like teaching differential equations to people operating a cash register at Wal*Mart. You aren't going to even get to the point where they can see any value in what you're talking about, much less explain the relevance of the subject to their lives (if there even is any).
But to remind you and anyone else, I am a gambling researcher, and I spend all of my time researching things relating to gambling. There's no money to be made in this pursuit, it's just something that I am doing for fun as it interests me and because it is something that is generally believed to be impossible to do: to prove that AP craps play is possible.
I fully expect that if I prove that it is possible, I will also prove that doing it is of very little value to anyone at all.
I am absolutely no friend to anyone in terms of my quests. None of the guys who sell classes want me to prove it's possible, and none of the people who believe it's not possible want to have it proven to be possible either.
I just don't care though. I'm not undertaking my quest for anyone's purpose except for my own. And I have taken it on because it is so hard. It's a big part of what makes it interesting.
If someone else can prove that it is impossible, I am all ears, but I think it might be easier to prove that proving it impossible is in and of itself impossible more easily than what I am already trying to do.
So it will be an open case indefinitely unless I can prove that legal shots can be done with AP.
I have had moments when I thought about giving it up, but they didn't last more than just a few seconds, really. But I have had those moments.
Anyway, nope. I'm not giving up. Sorry. Not yet anyway. But thanks for trying!
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February 9th, 2013 at 8:56:58 PM
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Quote: AhighBut to remind you and anyone else, I am a gambling researcher, and I spend all of my time researching things relating to gambling.
Personally, I think you would be a better, more objective researcher, if you weren't trying to prove any point. I know you want to investigate "biased shooting" or what the rest of us call "dice influencing" or "dice controlling."
But when you try to prove something you interject your own bias -- and you have interjected your own bias into the research. And making it worse, is that you have even stated your own bias and then backed off.
I don't think anyone could criticize you if you said "I want to try to influence the dice." Because, I think we have all tried and still try. Heck, I try each and every time I get the dice. I have my ritual including a cross-sixes set, and an attempt at a "controlled throw." But I cannot claim any success whatsoever, and I attribute good rolls to luck.
I welcome the opportunity for anyone to prove they have the ability or someone else has the ability to influence dice. But I would more likely accept the research from someone who didn't think they had such a skill because for nearly two decades I've listened to, met, played with, and read about such proof from those who claim to have that ability -- and I am yet to see it beyond what could be described as a nice, lucky roll.
February 9th, 2013 at 10:52:50 PM
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Scientists and researchers always have an interest in proving their hypothesis, because proving hypothesis is what makes their work interesting and often their careers a success. They come up with a theoretical basis for an impending discovery, and then complete observations to back up their hypothesis. There is great interest in proving their hypothesis because it becomes a published work (or a patent, or a step in a trial that leads to more research money), where as a failure does not.
For example, in my last year of university over the summer, I completed some work for an associate professor as part of an NSERC grant. She had the idea about proving a link between RR Lyrae Variables (a type of star that changes its brightness on a regular basis which are used as standard candles to measure distances to other galaxies, to collaberate the blue shift) and their age, or their distance, or something like that (it was 20 years ago). The end result was that the observations that I analyzed found no correlation... no paper, no further reserach, and no acknowledgement for me in some Astronomy journal somewhere. The professor suffered a setback in her career too, and she went on different angles trying to prove something else with the same type of stars (quite successfully).
And we've seen the bending of the statistics for global warming as well, which makes me sick to my stomach, because I'm pretty damned sure that's there a direct link between greenhouse gases and the temperature on this planet, and that we are responsible for them. A few scientists in the community bent the facts for their own personal gain and put a smudge on the entire science. But please, retort in the various greenhouse gas threads on this forum.
So, I don't blame Ahigh for having his own hypothesis. The tools he is using to prove it are quite out of hand, and certainly, there are thousands of more trials to be had, but they have to be honest trials, meaning that observations must be recorded and that ALL dice throws must be recorded, including those that are not videotaped or thrown away because the results didn't fit what he was looking for. And because Ahigh is so desparate to show a bias (in order to continue the Ahigh show, coming soon to HGTV), perhaps his results are not to be trusted. Perhaps the dice are not to be trusted. Who knows? But there is doubt. Mind you, with Ahigh, the doubt is less than simple online claims that come from other members of this forum based on anecdote.
Those who have watched their videos have commented that there is no way with the bouncing on the table going on that the rolls are nothing but random and his results are just lucky. Dice influence means that there has to be an intent, method, and purpose to throwing the dice in a consistent way such that the dice end up showing a bias as a result of the throw. Anything else is a random throw.
The problem with trials for DI is that ALL results must be recorded using the same set and preferably the same throw. Enough trials must be recorded to remove ANY doubt. Even if you end up in the top 1%, it really doesn't prove anything. You have to do better than that. Use the statistical tools to prove your results. Write down EVERY result that you get, and keep an open mind to failure and MOST OF ALL, DON'T STATE THE RESULT OF A HYPOTHESIS UNLESS IT IS TRUE --- you haven't proved it - yet.
For example, in my last year of university over the summer, I completed some work for an associate professor as part of an NSERC grant. She had the idea about proving a link between RR Lyrae Variables (a type of star that changes its brightness on a regular basis which are used as standard candles to measure distances to other galaxies, to collaberate the blue shift) and their age, or their distance, or something like that (it was 20 years ago). The end result was that the observations that I analyzed found no correlation... no paper, no further reserach, and no acknowledgement for me in some Astronomy journal somewhere. The professor suffered a setback in her career too, and she went on different angles trying to prove something else with the same type of stars (quite successfully).
And we've seen the bending of the statistics for global warming as well, which makes me sick to my stomach, because I'm pretty damned sure that's there a direct link between greenhouse gases and the temperature on this planet, and that we are responsible for them. A few scientists in the community bent the facts for their own personal gain and put a smudge on the entire science. But please, retort in the various greenhouse gas threads on this forum.
So, I don't blame Ahigh for having his own hypothesis. The tools he is using to prove it are quite out of hand, and certainly, there are thousands of more trials to be had, but they have to be honest trials, meaning that observations must be recorded and that ALL dice throws must be recorded, including those that are not videotaped or thrown away because the results didn't fit what he was looking for. And because Ahigh is so desparate to show a bias (in order to continue the Ahigh show, coming soon to HGTV), perhaps his results are not to be trusted. Perhaps the dice are not to be trusted. Who knows? But there is doubt. Mind you, with Ahigh, the doubt is less than simple online claims that come from other members of this forum based on anecdote.
Those who have watched their videos have commented that there is no way with the bouncing on the table going on that the rolls are nothing but random and his results are just lucky. Dice influence means that there has to be an intent, method, and purpose to throwing the dice in a consistent way such that the dice end up showing a bias as a result of the throw. Anything else is a random throw.
The problem with trials for DI is that ALL results must be recorded using the same set and preferably the same throw. Enough trials must be recorded to remove ANY doubt. Even if you end up in the top 1%, it really doesn't prove anything. You have to do better than that. Use the statistical tools to prove your results. Write down EVERY result that you get, and keep an open mind to failure and MOST OF ALL, DON'T STATE THE RESULT OF A HYPOTHESIS UNLESS IT IS TRUE --- you haven't proved it - yet.
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February 10th, 2013 at 1:41:36 AM
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
I got a professional photographer who is going to work the cameras for the March 11th show.
If there is another shooter that is generally believed to be a great shooter that also wants to appear on the show for the challenge, please make yourself known!
Otherwise, you're stuck with me and Nickolay for live broadcasts until then.
I'm not trying to push anybody out of view of these live broadcasts of people attempting to provide evidence that advantage play is possible.
But nobody is busting down my door trying to do a live broadcast of themselves shooting the dice!
I would love as much as anybody else to see a live broadcast of what should be an amazing shooter go down in flames! Especially if it were somebody we all thought was amazing.
You guys probably don't realize it, but it's a lot of pressure to perform when you are doing a live thing like this. And I've been relatively pleased so far with how well I have been shooting, whether it's luck or not, I'm still pleased with the outcome.
I got a professional photographer who is going to work the cameras for the March 11th show.
If there is another shooter that is generally believed to be a great shooter that also wants to appear on the show for the challenge, please make yourself known!
Otherwise, you're stuck with me and Nickolay for live broadcasts until then.
I'm not trying to push anybody out of view of these live broadcasts of people attempting to provide evidence that advantage play is possible.
But nobody is busting down my door trying to do a live broadcast of themselves shooting the dice!
I would love as much as anybody else to see a live broadcast of what should be an amazing shooter go down in flames! Especially if it were somebody we all thought was amazing.
You guys probably don't realize it, but it's a lot of pressure to perform when you are doing a live thing like this. And I've been relatively pleased so far with how well I have been shooting, whether it's luck or not, I'm still pleased with the outcome.
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February 10th, 2013 at 1:45:59 AM
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Quote: AhighI would love as much as anybody else to see a live broadcast of what should be an amazing shooter go down in flames!
Why would you root for that? Maybe I don't get what you mean.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 10th, 2013 at 4:25:44 AM
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Quote: AhighI am absolutely no friend to anyone in terms of my quests. None of the guys who sell classes want me to prove it's possible, and none of the people who believe it's not possible want to have it proven to be possible either.
This is quite true! If PROVEN possible, then casinos would take countermeasures, as they do against all AP plays that they become aware of. If PROVEN untrue, then it would be harder for the charlatans to keep selling their classes. It, of course, can never be proven untrue, as the believers will just think you haven't found the right person yet.... It, of course, can never be proven true, well, beacause.... IT'S NOT TRUE!
February 10th, 2013 at 8:04:26 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOThis is quite true! If PROVEN possible, then casinos would take countermeasures, as they do against all AP plays that they become aware of.
By that logic, influencing dice rolls must have been proven possible, because, aside from all of the commonly known countermeasures the casinos have taken (back wall bounce, 6-inch bounce, pyramids, etc.), the casinos have decided not to allow dice setting on smaller sit-down tubs and crapshooter tables.
I remember the brief time when they would allow one to set the dice on the higher, shallower small tables that appeared about 15 years ago. Apparently, there must have been a quite a few runs, and the casinos caught on to the possibility of influenced dice rolls when the shooter is only three feet from the pyramids. Dice setting was promptly prohibited at these tables.
Hence, "according to the casinos," it is possible for many to influence dice three feet from the pyramids. So, it stands to reason that the same is also possible from four feet for those few who are more skilled; five feet is possible for even fewer; six feet likewise; seven feet...; etc.
Thus, if we use such "casino knows best" logic, it comes down to distance vs. skill -- it's merely a matter of degree -- not absolute.
Quote: SOOPOOIt, of course, can never be proven true, well, beacause.... IT'S NOT TRUE!
Or, perhaps, because the deniers will forever dismiss their own sanctioned trials as "too short."
February 10th, 2013 at 10:38:19 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitWhy would you root for that? Maybe I don't get what you mean.
I'm a competitive guy. All these people who are seeing my live performances so far, to the best of my knowledge, have never seen any other live performances broadcast anywhere.
Being a competitive guy, I would love to compete and win in a competition against another well-known shooter in a live competition.
It's more about the game .. not a money thing.
There's never been a forum before for this sort of live competition to be done and broadcast live.
Now there is such a forum.
Who is the best shooter? Come on a live show and pick a standard betting strategy and show what a good shooter you are.
Everyone wants to think they have the superior position in terms of knowledge and ability to perform ideally in any game.
That's all.
SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME.
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February 10th, 2013 at 10:42:26 AM
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Quote: tuppBy that logic, influencing dice rolls must have been proven possible, because, aside from all of the commonly known countermeasures the casinos have taken (back wall bounce, 6-inch bounce, pyramids, etc.), the casinos have decided not to allow dice setting on smaller sit-down tubs and crapshooter tables.
I remember the brief time when they would allow one to set the dice on the higher, shallower small tables that appeared about 15 years ago. Apparently, there must have been a quite a few runs, and the casinos caught on to the possibility of influenced dice rolls when the shooter is only three feet from the pyramids. Dice setting was promptly prohibited at these tables.
Hence, "according to the casinos," it is possible for many to influence dice three feet from the pyramids. So, it stands to reason that the same is also possible from four feet for those few who are more skilled; five feet is possible for even fewer; six feet likewise; seven feet...; etc.
Thus, if we use such "casino knows best" logic, it comes down to distance vs. skill -- it's merely a matter of degree -- not absolute.
Or, perhaps, because the deniers will forever dismiss their own sanctioned trials as "too short."
Tupp, I don't think that SOOPOO is going to disagree here, but SOOPOO is not a die-hard craps player. At any sort of details of knowledge of the game, SOOPOO is not going to have that knowledge. SOOPOO just makes these bold statement reflecting his belief system just like anyone else. But those details you're talking about are not really part of SOOPOO's model at all.
I wouldn't worry too much about him or anyone else refusing to have a more complex view of the debate as it relates to beliefs on the subject. It's easier to just not worry about that stuff and say 'yeah whatever.'
Advantage play with short rolls is generally assumed to be possible even on a long table. Try to roll short rolls (even randomly short rolls) and see how long they will let you win before harassing you about your shot.
The rules are firm for a reason. All the way down or we take the dice away.
Any box or pit guy will tell you that short rolls are not allowed. And it's for the reason that you can absolutely AP on short rolls.
The reason that is not up for debate is because it is VERY well know than AP is possible on shorties.
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February 10th, 2013 at 10:56:25 AM
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Ahigh, if you are really into competition and money doesn't matter, I will gladly play against you in a "tournament style" challenge on your live program.
I will do everything I can to influence the dice as best I can (but I am not saying I have any control or influence at all). I will set the dice and attempt a controlled throw on each and every turn.
You will throw as best you can.
each of us will have a set number of throws in the challenge, and each of us can bet our own stacks. whoever has the most chips after their turn wins. No money bet. this is just for the challenge.
Let's say we decide that each of us has 50 throws and each of us will start with 500 in chips. whoever has the most chips after the 50 throws wins. If you bust before the 50 throws are completed you immediately lose.
Would you consider the challenge? of course I will come to you to play during one of your broadcasts.
No money. Bragging rights and exhibition only.
I will do everything I can to influence the dice as best I can (but I am not saying I have any control or influence at all). I will set the dice and attempt a controlled throw on each and every turn.
You will throw as best you can.
each of us will have a set number of throws in the challenge, and each of us can bet our own stacks. whoever has the most chips after their turn wins. No money bet. this is just for the challenge.
Let's say we decide that each of us has 50 throws and each of us will start with 500 in chips. whoever has the most chips after the 50 throws wins. If you bust before the 50 throws are completed you immediately lose.
Would you consider the challenge? of course I will come to you to play during one of your broadcasts.
No money. Bragging rights and exhibition only.
February 10th, 2013 at 11:00:41 AM
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Quote: AhighEveryone wants to think they have the superior position in terms of knowledge and ability to perform ideally...
Really?
"Everyone?"
Most savvy craps players do NOT believe they can control or influence the dice; they only hope to get lucky, and win.
I for one recognize that I have no more "ability to perform ideally" while rolling dem bones than does an 80 year old grandma or a 21 year old crack dealer.
There is no way to "have the superior position" at a game where the outcome is determined by a random roll, and thus far that is all I have seen.
OK, continue your snipe hunt.
"What, me worry?"
February 10th, 2013 at 11:22:46 AM
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Quote: AhighI wouldn't worry too much about him or anyone else refusing to have a more complex view of the debate as it relates to beliefs on the subject. It's easier to just not worry about that stuff and say 'yeah whatever.'
Thanks for the advice. Actually, I say "whatever" to myself a lot while reading the craps related threads of this forum.
Quote: AhighAdvantage play with short rolls is generally assumed to be possible even on a long table. Try to roll short rolls (even randomly short rolls) and see how long they will let you win before harassing you about your shot. The rules are firm for a reason. All the way down or we take the dice away. Any box or pit guy will tell you that short rolls are not allowed. And it's for the reason that you can absolutely AP on short rolls. The reason that is not up for debate is because it is VERY well know than AP is possible on shorties.
Sorry if I made it sound like I was talking about short rolls.
I was actually referring to rule-abiding rolls that bounce the dice off of the wall/pyramids of the short mini-tubs/crapshooter tables. Some of the shooting distances on these tables are around three feet, and casinos don't allow dice setting on such tables.
As you once mentioned, Fiesta Rancho recently had a version of such tables.
In 1998, I played on a shallow, high, four-player table, and I could almost touch the far wall from my seat. Also, I was allowed to set the dice.
My point is that if Casinos think that dice influencing is possible from three feet (bouncing off of the wall), why would it not be possible from four feet? ... five feet? ...six feet? ...etc. It's simply a matter of degree, and the very skillful fall at the highest degree on that scale.
February 10th, 2013 at 12:50:11 PM
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Some times a person be baffled by what goes on around him, the truth be told, i may well be more than some times.
Having said that I confess to being baffled by this discussion on dice control. Number 1 who cares. If i use dice control and it
works for me.. fine if you use it and it works for you, fine, if joe blow does not beleive in it who cares.
I come from the world of finance, there are certain things that work and they tend to work most of the time, My passion
is craps and walleye fishing. In big time walleye tournament fishing, there are a variety of people that do very well, and most
of them do something a little different, but generally then can all do the same things, Yet you dont see one guy laughing
at another or chastising another when they are at a tournament and doing different things. There is a respect offered
to all.
Craps on the other hand is a goofy creature... when i decided it wanted to look into dice control, i did not have any craps
friends encoureage me, none paid for classes, none got a table and i surely must admit they all thought i was nuts. Well
to date none of them has taken it any further, and they wont, they know i do well and have admitted it, but to be honest
they indicate they just want to gamble. I think thats great, i hope they do ok, my path is different and they are ok with
that.
Ahigh here is more involved in craps than most, i think that is fine, he wants to have a show, that is also fine, i appreciate
his love for the game and wish him very well. But i have vidoes of the best guys there is and i watch those, because i
know they work and i want my throw to be as good as thiers. I cant say for 100% sure, but i am pretty sure Ahigh
knows some of the same people I do, and we may well be aware of each other if names used here were the same as
other places.
The point i am making is we can all do our own thing, stand up for what we believe in without be apposed to some
one else.
the reason i got involved in dice control is logic.... things have to make sense to me,,, and when a pair of dice hit the table,
bounce up and hit the wall, and fall down and settle right away,,,, that is not as random as dice that bounce 20 times.
the closer my throw gets to that standard, the better results i have. To me thats math, it is just arithmetic.
dicesitter
Having said that I confess to being baffled by this discussion on dice control. Number 1 who cares. If i use dice control and it
works for me.. fine if you use it and it works for you, fine, if joe blow does not beleive in it who cares.
I come from the world of finance, there are certain things that work and they tend to work most of the time, My passion
is craps and walleye fishing. In big time walleye tournament fishing, there are a variety of people that do very well, and most
of them do something a little different, but generally then can all do the same things, Yet you dont see one guy laughing
at another or chastising another when they are at a tournament and doing different things. There is a respect offered
to all.
Craps on the other hand is a goofy creature... when i decided it wanted to look into dice control, i did not have any craps
friends encoureage me, none paid for classes, none got a table and i surely must admit they all thought i was nuts. Well
to date none of them has taken it any further, and they wont, they know i do well and have admitted it, but to be honest
they indicate they just want to gamble. I think thats great, i hope they do ok, my path is different and they are ok with
that.
Ahigh here is more involved in craps than most, i think that is fine, he wants to have a show, that is also fine, i appreciate
his love for the game and wish him very well. But i have vidoes of the best guys there is and i watch those, because i
know they work and i want my throw to be as good as thiers. I cant say for 100% sure, but i am pretty sure Ahigh
knows some of the same people I do, and we may well be aware of each other if names used here were the same as
other places.
The point i am making is we can all do our own thing, stand up for what we believe in without be apposed to some
one else.
the reason i got involved in dice control is logic.... things have to make sense to me,,, and when a pair of dice hit the table,
bounce up and hit the wall, and fall down and settle right away,,,, that is not as random as dice that bounce 20 times.
the closer my throw gets to that standard, the better results i have. To me thats math, it is just arithmetic.
dicesitter
