dice control
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:06:54 AM
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I'm planning to try to take some facetime calls during my next show. I'm going to start having shows as regularly as possible. If you want to call in for a show, I can probably manage to show you anything interactively as you request it. PM me your facetime info and/or your cell phone number, and I can call you up when I'm doing a show and tell you how to watch from your computer while you do facetime on your iphone or ipad.
One camera that I just got today allows me to edit, scrub, and play back slow motion directly on the camera. So I don't even have to send it over to the computer. That means I could point the camera anywhere you wanted, record, and a few seconds later pipe the HDMI output from the camera directly to the broadcast.
The audio is coming from a mixing panel and I have a Sure microphone. So that way you'll continue to be able to hear me talking as I switch from one camera to the other on my remote-controlled HDMI switcher. Basically I can only feed one HDMI signal at a time right now on the broadcast, but I am ordering some more PCI cards to handle 2 to 4 HDMI's so I can mix them all together for the broadcast in software.
But that's what I'm trying to do is to increase the communication and interactivity of what I'm doing by doing full on interactive demonstrations.
One camera that I just got today allows me to edit, scrub, and play back slow motion directly on the camera. So I don't even have to send it over to the computer. That means I could point the camera anywhere you wanted, record, and a few seconds later pipe the HDMI output from the camera directly to the broadcast.
The audio is coming from a mixing panel and I have a Sure microphone. So that way you'll continue to be able to hear me talking as I switch from one camera to the other on my remote-controlled HDMI switcher. Basically I can only feed one HDMI signal at a time right now on the broadcast, but I am ordering some more PCI cards to handle 2 to 4 HDMI's so I can mix them all together for the broadcast in software.
But that's what I'm trying to do is to increase the communication and interactivity of what I'm doing by doing full on interactive demonstrations.
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January 22nd, 2013 at 12:37:08 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonwhat happened to the discussion about grips? Now that's a discussion worth having.
The tongs offer perhaps the least control because as you release your fingers the dice tend to separate.
True too much surface to surface contact will cause a lot of friction between your skin and the dice. It will definitely pull them apart as you release. But If you want a perfect Tong grip just use your nails to clamp the dice together, not your fingers...
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:02:09 AM
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well you partly answered your own question.... the three finger grip is by far the best as long as
it fits your hand. The 3 finger grip allows you to have a level face against the dice and also allows
positioning of the thumb for consistancy of flight.
If your hands are large, the two finger grip is the best you can do, and i have seen
guys do it well.
Dice stacking was designed to freeze the bottom dice on a set number such as 5. However it
is much more difficult to master.It offers so little control of the top die. say you set the stack
at 5 on top, it hits and the top die just falls off and hits and rolls 1 additonal face, you have a 7
either way. Now that is almost a perfect roll.
NOw i admit the same problem exists on the 3 finger with a hardway set. I die stops on where you
set it and the other only rotates two faces and you have a 7. Again on a hardway set, a 4/3 is almost
a perfect roll. on a hard way set there are 32 possible outcomes if you dice stay on axis.... 8 are a 7
the 3-v set you have 32 possible outcomes but only 4 are a 7, but with the 3 v you better stay on axis
or your screwed.
The dice stack can not take advantage of a 3 v set.
Dicesitter
it fits your hand. The 3 finger grip allows you to have a level face against the dice and also allows
positioning of the thumb for consistancy of flight.
If your hands are large, the two finger grip is the best you can do, and i have seen
guys do it well.
Dice stacking was designed to freeze the bottom dice on a set number such as 5. However it
is much more difficult to master.It offers so little control of the top die. say you set the stack
at 5 on top, it hits and the top die just falls off and hits and rolls 1 additonal face, you have a 7
either way. Now that is almost a perfect roll.
NOw i admit the same problem exists on the 3 finger with a hardway set. I die stops on where you
set it and the other only rotates two faces and you have a 7. Again on a hardway set, a 4/3 is almost
a perfect roll. on a hard way set there are 32 possible outcomes if you dice stay on axis.... 8 are a 7
the 3-v set you have 32 possible outcomes but only 4 are a 7, but with the 3 v you better stay on axis
or your screwed.
The dice stack can not take advantage of a 3 v set.
Dicesitter
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:03:37 AM
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Or you can just grab the dice and throw them. The result will be the same.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:32:45 AM
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A knowledgeable person (Dicesitter) joins the forum and actually knows what he is talking about.......IMPRESSIVE!
Dicesitter, please disregard the ignorant replies that are being sent and feel free to continue with your manifesto about the intricacies of throwing dem bones, there are a select few on this board (most choose to remain silent) who can recognize a smart Craps player instantly.
Personally, the Dice stack way of tossing has done wonders for me on specific hard bouncy craps tables; a couple of years ago, the only person who could make a single point on a COLD Craps table was using the Stack Set. I mimicked the "hot" shooter and used the same 6/4 (Top Die) 4/6 (Bottom Die) Dice Set shooting from Straightout throwing the Dice into the hook around the bended curve like he was; I threw 9 tens on the next hand....
The Stacked Dice Set should be part of the arsenal of any Dice thrower...
Dicesitter, please disregard the ignorant replies that are being sent and feel free to continue with your manifesto about the intricacies of throwing dem bones, there are a select few on this board (most choose to remain silent) who can recognize a smart Craps player instantly.
Personally, the Dice stack way of tossing has done wonders for me on specific hard bouncy craps tables; a couple of years ago, the only person who could make a single point on a COLD Craps table was using the Stack Set. I mimicked the "hot" shooter and used the same 6/4 (Top Die) 4/6 (Bottom Die) Dice Set shooting from Straightout throwing the Dice into the hook around the bended curve like he was; I threw 9 tens on the next hand....
The Stacked Dice Set should be part of the arsenal of any Dice thrower...
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:19:39 AM
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As we all know there have been some interesting dice sitters in the past that used a variety of grips. I have tried the
stack, but i have not tried it enough to use it. I am sure some one that worked hard on it can do well... I have heard of
a guy in Wisconsin that uses the underhand grip and a sideways shot, that may well be the stack i am not sure. But i
heard he was good.
I have lots of work to do on my 3 finger set to master different types of tables. This week end was an indication of
that with a decent srr but poor results because i would throw several nice shots and then a poor one. If you have
put some time in on dice control, you understand that if done correctly, a controlled throw can produce more
repeating numbers than normal percentages dictate... however, if you accept that, you also have to understand
that a flaw can also produce more 7's than normal percentages dictate. Like most good things in life, dicesitting can
be a double edged sword.
dicesitter
stack, but i have not tried it enough to use it. I am sure some one that worked hard on it can do well... I have heard of
a guy in Wisconsin that uses the underhand grip and a sideways shot, that may well be the stack i am not sure. But i
heard he was good.
I have lots of work to do on my 3 finger set to master different types of tables. This week end was an indication of
that with a decent srr but poor results because i would throw several nice shots and then a poor one. If you have
put some time in on dice control, you understand that if done correctly, a controlled throw can produce more
repeating numbers than normal percentages dictate... however, if you accept that, you also have to understand
that a flaw can also produce more 7's than normal percentages dictate. Like most good things in life, dicesitting can
be a double edged sword.
dicesitter
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:43:04 AM
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It's beginning to get fun for me. Now that I have the dedicated computer moved down to the table, I'm really looking forward to doing other things to improve the broadcast and do more stuff.
I really want to install two more 55" displays, but I don't think the woman is wanting me to do that.
I'm having a lot of fun with this stuff.
I really want to install two more 55" displays, but I don't think the woman is wanting me to do that.
I'm having a lot of fun with this stuff.
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January 22nd, 2013 at 11:27:58 AM
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Quote: AhighI recorded 200 rolls tonight, and rolled only 29 sevens.
You would have won the bet! Can I convince you to try it? Same bet as Nickolay?
By the way, it looks like you are a hard 4 machine!!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:48:22 AM
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The last decent bet I won in a casino was at the Gold Coast. I bet $25 and it travelled to the four so I put $60 odds on it and hit it with a hard four.
That was on Sunday, while Carl was on box. An empty table.
I haven't played in a casino since winning that $145. That hit put me at up a grand in a week.
But the aces, the ace-deuce, and the hard four are looking pretty consistent in frequency over the last 374 rolls.
That was on Sunday, while Carl was on box. An empty table.
I haven't played in a casino since winning that $145. That hit put me at up a grand in a week.
But the aces, the ace-deuce, and the hard four are looking pretty consistent in frequency over the last 374 rolls.
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January 22nd, 2013 at 12:04:09 PM
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Ahigh
No matter what you show at home it doesn't mean a thing, because its not in a casino, where everything is going against the shooter!
We could aways do five or six guys that would hit different tables around town and everybody would pass the dice back to your shooter, then see what would happen!
No matter what you show at home it doesn't mean a thing, because its not in a casino, where everything is going against the shooter!
We could aways do five or six guys that would hit different tables around town and everybody would pass the dice back to your shooter, then see what would happen!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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January 22nd, 2013 at 1:44:57 PM
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All this data analysis your've done so far is insignificant. There are really two things that matter.
(1) the distribution of your results against a binomial distribution. If you are getting results that are above the 99% range, you may have something, if you can do it consistently.
(2) the Chi-Squared distribution of your results will show bias among your whole set. If you get Chi-Squared results with a p-range <.01, you probably have something.
(1) the distribution of your results against a binomial distribution. If you are getting results that are above the 99% range, you may have something, if you can do it consistently.
(2) the Chi-Squared distribution of your results will show bias among your whole set. If you get Chi-Squared results with a p-range <.01, you probably have something.
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January 22nd, 2013 at 1:51:14 PM
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Quote: boymimboAll this data analysis your've done so far is insignificant. There are really two things that matter.
(1) the distribution of your results against a binomial distribution. If you are getting results that are above the 99% range, you may have something, if you can do it consistently.
(2) the Chi-Squared distribution of your results will show bias among your whole set. If you get Chi-Squared results with a p-range <.01, you probably have something.
Thanks boy. I will look into that stuff and see if I can make sense of it and let you know if I need help.
SuperRick: since you're already a pro and know so much more than me, why don't you go buy yourself an island somewhere and hire some girls to agree with everything you say. That's my recommendation to you.
Here, I will even get you started with some you could easily afford with chump change:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/top-10-private-islands-sale-350000/story?id=17932025
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January 22nd, 2013 at 4:34:24 PM
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Ahigh
You are setting up an experiment to show that someone with enough training can beat what the math of the game says should happen, but the way you are setting it up makes no difference what so ever. If your shooter can't do the same thing in a casino, you wasted everybody time that is involved.
The whole idea of someone becoming a so-called DI, is to beat the casinos out of money and to overcome a negative game, to make it on the + side for the shooter. Your not doing that by shooting at home! So any data that you show doesn't matter.
You are setting up an experiment to show that someone with enough training can beat what the math of the game says should happen, but the way you are setting it up makes no difference what so ever. If your shooter can't do the same thing in a casino, you wasted everybody time that is involved.
The whole idea of someone becoming a so-called DI, is to beat the casinos out of money and to overcome a negative game, to make it on the + side for the shooter. Your not doing that by shooting at home! So any data that you show doesn't matter.
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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January 22nd, 2013 at 4:46:19 PM
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Quote: superrickYou are setting up an experiment to show that someone with enough training can beat what the math of the game says should happen, but the way you are setting it up makes no difference what so ever. If your shooter can't do the same thing in a casino, you wasted everybody time that is involved.
The whole idea of someone becoming a so-called DI, is to beat the casinos out of money and to overcome a negative game, to make it on the + side for the shooter. Your not doing that by shooting at home! So any data that you show doesn't matter.
It's not an experiment. I clearly outlined that this whole thing was for fun and proves nothing.
You are out of touch with what I am doing as you have been since day number one, Rick.
You have no concept of what I am doing at all. You are in your own world.
Every time I have physically seen your physical person, which both times has been at the Silverton, I had a less fun experience than if you had not been there. Both times.
I like to have fun, and I have yet to do anything at all that involves you that was more fun because of you.
So feel free to remove yourself from what you consider to be my experiments, because they aren't experiments. They are me having a damn good time.
And you haven't helped me enjoy anything that I have done so far. All that you've done is to present yourself as the more knowledgeable person and give unsolicited advice from your own viewpoint.
It would be awesome if you weren't suck a killjoy for me, but you are Rick.
Sorry about that. But I really don't see it ever changing.
Gambling is about entertainment for me. And like I said, if you're finding that it's all about the money for you and you're successful, use that money to make yourself happier .. somewhere else .. where I don't have to deal with you.
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January 22nd, 2013 at 5:11:10 PM
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Ahigh
You have a problem with anybody that questions what you are doing, I've said it many times if you are putting yourself out there to show everybody what you are doing, then some of use are going to question you about how you are going about showing the world, that you can overcome a negative game with your shooting. You yourself have said that you don't get the same out comes when the kids or your girlfriend is bothering you.
Well isn't that what happens when you are in a casino, the only difference is that everybody on a table could be bothering you and you can't send them away. They are there and there is nothing you can do about it and that is the major problem with trying to be a DI.
You have captured the interest of a bunch of players on the board, but when it's all over with, you will always have the guys saying that it wasn't done in a real casino, is that what you really want?
Wouldn't it go a lot better if your shooter was shooting in a real casino? That way everybody could say that you pulled off what you were trying to show the world in the first place, or does this whole thing have nothing to do with showing everybody anything about dice control and it's just about you having fun?
By the sounds of it , if I was at the table when you were shooting you wouldn't get the same results, only because I was standing at the table, and now you weren't having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a problem with anybody that questions what you are doing, I've said it many times if you are putting yourself out there to show everybody what you are doing, then some of use are going to question you about how you are going about showing the world, that you can overcome a negative game with your shooting. You yourself have said that you don't get the same out comes when the kids or your girlfriend is bothering you.
Well isn't that what happens when you are in a casino, the only difference is that everybody on a table could be bothering you and you can't send them away. They are there and there is nothing you can do about it and that is the major problem with trying to be a DI.
You have captured the interest of a bunch of players on the board, but when it's all over with, you will always have the guys saying that it wasn't done in a real casino, is that what you really want?
Wouldn't it go a lot better if your shooter was shooting in a real casino? That way everybody could say that you pulled off what you were trying to show the world in the first place, or does this whole thing have nothing to do with showing everybody anything about dice control and it's just about you having fun?
By the sounds of it , if I was at the table when you were shooting you wouldn't get the same results, only because I was standing at the table, and now you weren't having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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January 22nd, 2013 at 5:34:35 PM
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Quote: superrickYou have a problem with anybody that questions what you are doing, I've said it many times if you are putting yourself out there to show everybody what you are doing, then some of use are going to question you about how you are going about showing the world, that you can overcome a negative game with your shooting. You yourself have said that you don't get the same out comes when the kids or your girlfriend is bothering you.
Well isn't that what happens when you are in a casino, the only difference is that everybody on a table could be bothering you and you can't send them away. They are there and there is nothing you can do about it and that is the major problem with trying to be a DI.
You have captured the interest of a bunch of players on the board, but when it's all over with, you will always have the guys saying that it wasn't done in a real casino, is that what you really want?
Wouldn't it go a lot better if your shooter was shooting in a real casino? That way everybody could say that you pulled off what you were trying to show the world in the first place, or does this whole thing have nothing to do with showing everybody anything about dice control and it's just about you having fun?
By the sounds of it , if I was at the table when you were shooting you wouldn't get the same results, only because I was standing at the table, and now you weren't having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rick, you're wrong, dude. I know where you are coming from, but you just don't get it.
But let me just say it again, just get in the back seat and enjoy the ride if you can manage it.
You are projecting a little bit. But again, if you're Mr. Successful know-it-all, why don't YOU do all the things you are telling me to do.
I have a different agenda than you do. That much is really obvious.
My agenda is absolutely entertainment and having fun.
And that is where you and I have our most significant differences.
The reason why, and I have told you this before, I don't enjoy talking to you is because I don't like how you talk to me and I don't like how you treat me, and I don't like the things that YOU say.
It's not just anybody who asks questions, it is you, Rick.
You spend so much time telling me what I'm doing wrong, so let me tell you something that you're doing wrong: you're pissing me off, and it seems like you're just doing it on purpose.
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January 22nd, 2013 at 5:37:48 PM
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So why don't you just stop responding to him. He's being the very definition of a troll to you and you are feeding him like crazy - he's loving the attention.Quote: AhighThe reason why, and I have told you this before, I don't enjoy talking to you is because I don't like how you talk to me and I don't like how you treat me, and I don't like the things that YOU say.
It's not just anybody who asks questions, it is you, Rick.
You spend so much time telling me what I'm doing wrong, so let me tell you something that you're doing wrong: you're pissing me off, and it seems like you're just doing it on purpose.
Happiness is underrated
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:27:29 PM
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What should the line be against ahigh ot any dice setter. I have bankrolled a few crap games or collected markers afterwards, but that was too many years ago. Never shot dice, on a blanket or felt. NEVER. I am totally unskilled.
But were I to roll say 100 times for 7 , hard ways, whatever, what should the line be on me as a underdog against someone who has mastered dice control ? 3 to 1, 5 to 1, 10 to 1 ?
I mean a rank amateur against a skilled practitioner ? ? ?
But were I to roll say 100 times for 7 , hard ways, whatever, what should the line be on me as a underdog against someone who has mastered dice control ? 3 to 1, 5 to 1, 10 to 1 ?
I mean a rank amateur against a skilled practitioner ? ? ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:28:21 PM
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Quote: BuzzardWhat should the line be against ahigh ot any dice setter. I have bankrolled a few crap games or collected markers afterwards, but that was too many years ago. Never shot dice, on a blanket or felt. NEVER. I am totally unskilled.
But were I to roll say 100 times for 7 , hard ways, whatever, what should the line be on me as a underdog against someone who has mastered dice control ? 3 to 1, 5 to 1, 10 to 1 ?
I mean a rank amateur against a skilled practitioner ? ? ?
i'd offer you at -110
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:30:33 PM
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What ? Tiger woods versus a guy who has never played golf. I mean I thought skill was involved in dice setting ? ? ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:36:08 PM
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No.Quote: superrickYou are setting up an experiment to show that someone with enough training can beat what the math of the game says should happen, but the way you are setting it up makes no difference what so ever. If your shooter can't do the same thing in a casino, you wasted everybody time that is involved.
If someone can influence any dice roll by one tiny iota anywhere, then it stands to reason that the same feat is possible (even to a slighter degree) anywhere else.
The entire argument of those who deny the possibility of dice influencing relies on the notion that it has to be absolutely impossible -- any dice influencing that is even slightly successful completely destroys the assertions of those who proclaim absolute impossibility.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:38:08 PM
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Quote: BuzzardWhat should the line be against ahigh ot any dice setter. I have bankrolled a few crap games or collected markers afterwards, but that was too many years ago. Never shot dice, on a blanket or felt. NEVER. I am totally unskilled.
But were I to roll say 100 times for 7 , hard ways, whatever, what should the line be on me as a underdog against someone who has mastered dice control ? 3 to 1, 5 to 1, 10 to 1 ?
I mean a rank amateur against a skilled practitioner ? ? ?
Since I don't know any DI's/DC's, we'll use Ahigh as the skilled practitioner.
If it's a 2 finger grip, the odds should be:
Buzz -105
Ahigh -105
If it's the super special 3 finger grip, the odds should be:
Buzz -105
Ahigh -105
Likelihood of either rolling a random number: 100%
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:39:46 PM
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Quote: MakingBookSince I don't know any DI's/DC's, we'll use Ahigh as the skilled practitioner.
If it's a 2 finger grip, the odds should be:
Buzz -105
Ahigh -105
If it's the super special 3 finger grip, the odds should be:
Buzz -105
Ahigh -105
Likelihood of either rolling a random number: 100%
very generous with the -105. i remember each side of the super bowl coin toss last year was -115 at one book.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:41:24 PM
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" Likelihood of either rolling a random number: 100% " Good thing you are not taking book anymore. I mean we are talking about ahigh and all those years of practice and dedication versus my over the shoulder, back to the table, throws ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:46:06 PM
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Quote: Buzzard" Likelihood of either rolling a random number: 100% " Good thing you are not taking book anymore. I mean we are talking about ahigh and all those years of practice and dedication versus my over the shoulder, back to the table, throws ?
please keep the dice in view at all times, sir
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:54:36 PM
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Perhaps I should use my open handed tennis palm serve ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:00:22 PM
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Quote: BuzzardPerhaps I should use my open handed tennis palm serve ?
this throw avoids the 7 more than 83% of the time and thus would quickly be banned by the casinos.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:03:35 PM
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But I am hoping to play at ahigh's palace. Providing I can have my own expert to verify the dice are not loaded.
Trust, but verify !
Trust, but verify !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:16:13 PM
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Buzz! Never thought I would hear you quoting Ronald Reagen quoting Mikhail Gorbachev...Quote: BuzzardTrust, but verify !
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
January 23rd, 2013 at 1:15:39 AM
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Just curious, is there any record of world class competitors in "touch" sports attempting dice control? I am thinking that professional dart players (or even shuffleboard players) might have the best chance at dice control. There was an old show on Discovery about humans with amazing skills. One guy had a sense of touch so informative that he could crack bank safes, another had a inner ear defect that enabled him to balance extraordinary well. It is not total inconceivable to me that somewhere there is a person with a combination of mutations that might make dice control possible. However, that person would have to realize it and want to play/practice craps for hours and hours.
That said, I don't know that I'll ever be a believer.
That said, I don't know that I'll ever be a believer.
January 23rd, 2013 at 1:53:25 PM
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try 100 rolls a night every night for 3 years..... then that is just to get to a point
where you are ok..... then what more does it take to get good.
A good dicesitter has to be as good at this as a pro is at bowling or shooting pool
or hitting a golf ball. Hundreds of rolls, video tapping your roll , reviewing, correcting
over and over. Some people do this for money, others because we just are not good
enough to be an excellent bowler or golfer or are to old to start those, many are very
successful in their business and want to extend their competitive nature to the table.
The question is not whether dice control is a fact, the question is do you or I for
that matter have the desire needed.
The answer is simple, most people are gamblers, getting serious about this screws
up their gambling.
dicesitter.
where you are ok..... then what more does it take to get good.
A good dicesitter has to be as good at this as a pro is at bowling or shooting pool
or hitting a golf ball. Hundreds of rolls, video tapping your roll , reviewing, correcting
over and over. Some people do this for money, others because we just are not good
enough to be an excellent bowler or golfer or are to old to start those, many are very
successful in their business and want to extend their competitive nature to the table.
The question is not whether dice control is a fact, the question is do you or I for
that matter have the desire needed.
The answer is simple, most people are gamblers, getting serious about this screws
up their gambling.
dicesitter.
January 23rd, 2013 at 2:26:51 PM
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" The question is not whether dice control is a fact" ROFLMAO !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 23rd, 2013 at 2:38:38 PM
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What chance would a chump who has never played pool having against even a 72 year old ex-hustler like me? And someone who has never bowled in his life, I would kill at duckpins.
But what line is there for me, a guy who has never shot dice in his entire life, what odds would you lay on rolling more 7's in X # of
rolls, or hardways, or whatever ? 5 to 1, 10 to 1. Of course not, cause there is no skill factor in dice setting. just a fantasy in some
people's mind.
Every time it comes to putting money where their mouth is, dice setters SHUT UP.
Or in everyday language Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.
Just stating a fact, nothing personal.
But what line is there for me, a guy who has never shot dice in his entire life, what odds would you lay on rolling more 7's in X # of
rolls, or hardways, or whatever ? 5 to 1, 10 to 1. Of course not, cause there is no skill factor in dice setting. just a fantasy in some
people's mind.
Every time it comes to putting money where their mouth is, dice setters SHUT UP.
Or in everyday language Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.
Just stating a fact, nothing personal.
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The gem that filled it
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January 23rd, 2013 at 2:58:16 PM
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Quote: Buzzard
Every time it comes to putting money where their mouth is, dice setters SHUT UP.
Everytime? I know of one challenge that seems to be going ahead.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
January 23rd, 2013 at 5:54:08 PM
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It is interesting that someone would relentlessly insist on the impossibility of one method in a field, while plainly admitting an utter lack of experience in that field.Quote: BuzzardBut what line is there for me, a guy who has never shot dice in his entire life,... [snip] ...there is no skill factor in dice setting. just a fantasy in some people's mind.
I guess some just fear and mock what they do not understand.
Sometimes it is worthwhile to check facts and do a little research before opening one's mouth.Quote: BuzzardEvery time it comes to putting money where their mouth is, dice setters SHUT UP.
One needn't look any further than this very thread to see that someone has already bet confidently in favor of dice influencing, giving generous 2-to-1 odds to those who would bet against him.
In addition, perhaps you could convince Wizard to try and get back that $1,800 he lost, because his opponent who wagered on the possibility of dice influencing had actually "SHUT UP."
By the way, the difference in meaning between "dice setting" and "dice influencing" has been covered several times in this forum. Thus, even for one who is so utterly clueless about craps, it can't be that difficult to use the proper terminology. Please do so from now on.
Okay. I'll bet you $100 that the shooter in the wager linked above (earlier in this thread) will meet or exceed his goal.Quote: BuzzardOr in everyday language Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.
I have no idea if the shooter can do what he claims, but I would rather have certain posters' money do their talking, rather than having to endure any of their further "running off at the mouth."
Is YOUR money talking, or are you walking?
January 23rd, 2013 at 5:58:52 PM
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" n addition, perhaps you could convince Wizard to try and get back that $1,800 he lost, because his opponent who wagered on the possibility of dice influencing had actually "SHUT UP."" Seems like Stanford Wong realized he was on the wrong side of the bet, even though he won. I mean he was a revered expert by dice setters until he said he was WRONG. And who should know better !
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
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January 23rd, 2013 at 5:59:32 PM
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I assume this wager will be Post Toasties ?
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January 23rd, 2013 at 6:01:20 PM
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Quote: BuzzardI assume this wager will be Post Toasties ?
Several people were no shows after losing Hot Blonde bet. Just saying, no offense meant.
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January 23rd, 2013 at 6:03:48 PM
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Quote: BuzzardI assume this wager will be Post Toasties ?
Uh, Buzz.... playing the senile old man does not get you out of this. tupp has offered to put his money where his mouth is, and you conveniently have ignored his offer. So are you, Buzz, going to put YOUR money where your mouth is?
If you are afraid of tupp not paying up, I'll pay you if he doesn't. So no excuses....
January 23rd, 2013 at 6:32:13 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOUh, Buzz.... playing the senile old man does not get you out of this. tupp has offered to put his money where his mouth is, and you conveniently have ignored his offer. So are you, Buzz, going to put YOUR money where your mouth is?
If you are afraid of tupp not paying up, I'll pay you if he doesn't. So no excuses....
SOOPOO I have already proved that cash ain't that important to me. Of course the bet is on, but if TUPP does not pay, I don't want your money. Fair enough ?
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Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
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January 23rd, 2013 at 6:33:22 PM
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Ps I never thought Post Toasties for 2 people who may never set eyes on each other was a sign of senility ! ! !
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The gem that filled it
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January 23rd, 2013 at 6:34:58 PM
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I got ur back soopoo (but only 5 of the 100 beins Im just a red chipper).
January 23rd, 2013 at 6:47:56 PM
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I have no beef with tupp, nor do i distrust him. I am sure he has fogotten this post of mine thanking him for some help about a patent. But I think dice setting is pure bullshit. Sorry about that, but I do .
EARLIER POST.
Thanks for all the great advice. I am sure Rich is a great guy. 2 years ago I used a great guy, Mark I forget last name, not goona look in correspondence right now, he is Roger Snow's patent attorney. Had given him $1,000 retainer and he did some preliminary work for me. Quoted about $5,000 total to get patent issued. Then my adult daughter started hearing voices, Schizo-effective) wife's diabetes went to stage 2, lost my job and only had SS income. Asked Mark to put on hold. He sent me a check back for $500 without my asking for anything but to put things on hold.
Don't get me wrong. I am a rich man, just don't have any money. Lol Got beautiful wife, 3 daughters, 8 grand daughters, 1 grandson. Am 71, never taken a pill in my life, not even aspirin. Am gonna try PPA pro-se, have 2 NOLO books and keeping fingers crossed.
Appreciate all the advice, have great respect for most forum members. I will spend the money to put 4 game ideas an/or enhancements
on separate PPAs.
THANKS for all the input !
EARLIER POST.
Thanks for all the great advice. I am sure Rich is a great guy. 2 years ago I used a great guy, Mark I forget last name, not goona look in correspondence right now, he is Roger Snow's patent attorney. Had given him $1,000 retainer and he did some preliminary work for me. Quoted about $5,000 total to get patent issued. Then my adult daughter started hearing voices, Schizo-effective) wife's diabetes went to stage 2, lost my job and only had SS income. Asked Mark to put on hold. He sent me a check back for $500 without my asking for anything but to put things on hold.
Don't get me wrong. I am a rich man, just don't have any money. Lol Got beautiful wife, 3 daughters, 8 grand daughters, 1 grandson. Am 71, never taken a pill in my life, not even aspirin. Am gonna try PPA pro-se, have 2 NOLO books and keeping fingers crossed.
Appreciate all the advice, have great respect for most forum members. I will spend the money to put 4 game ideas an/or enhancements
on separate PPAs.
THANKS for all the input !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 23rd, 2013 at 6:48:57 PM
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Quote: mdhI got ur back soopoo (but only 5 of the 100 beins Im just a red chipper).
I'm basically a red chip better too.... and thanks, mdh. So to summarize.... Buzzard has accepted tupp's bet offer. To avoid any similarities to what happened between keyser and mission146, it would be great if tupp states he has seen Buzz's offer and has accepted the bet.
January 23rd, 2013 at 6:50:58 PM
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I am a red chip better only because there are no white chip tables left in Colorado. Ah, for the good old days. Single deck $3 pitch
game. SIGH
game. SIGH
Shed not for her
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Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 23rd, 2013 at 6:54:17 PM
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" To avoid any similarities to what happened between keyser and mission146, it would be great if tupp states he has seen Buzz's offer and has accepted the bet. " Now who is being senile ? ? LOL
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the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
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January 23rd, 2013 at 7:01:10 PM
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Awesome to have more bets.
If we have time, I can try to roll as few sevens in 200 rolls myself and allow others to take bets on the outcome.
Given that all my data is public, I would be curious what a sports better would say odds would be for me to roll various percentages of sevens.
If we have time, I can try to roll as few sevens in 200 rolls myself and allow others to take bets on the outcome.
Given that all my data is public, I would be curious what a sports better would say odds would be for me to roll various percentages of sevens.
aahigh.com
January 23rd, 2013 at 7:09:47 PM
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Ahigh, I admire your dedication. Don't take my non belief in dice setting as a reflection upon you.
As my mentor once said : " It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to. "
As my mentor once said : " It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to. "
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 23rd, 2013 at 7:30:47 PM
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It's ridiculous to think I have anything but a random shot. I have heard it over and over and over. It's not just you.
All it is is a "style" of shot.
All it is is a "style" of shot.
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January 23rd, 2013 at 7:32:21 PM
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Quote: AhighAwesome to have more bets.
If we have time, I can try to roll as few sevens in 200 rolls myself and allow others to take bets on the outcome.
Given that all my data is public, I would be curious what a sports better would say odds would be for me to roll various percentages of sevens.
The over under would be 16.67%
If it were a regular sportsbook you would have to lay $110 to win $100, regardless if you selected over or under.
