My bankroll and system. Your thoughts.
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:22:30 PM
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I'm far from a high roller. In fact, very very far. I usually start with a $100 bankroll, $200 max. I look to go to my local casino (1.5 hours away) once a month to play craps for fun and any amount I may win is a bonus. I just love to play.
My strategy is to bet the don't all the time. I simply place a $5 bet on the don't. If the point is 6 or 8, I play no odds (to be conservative with my small bankroll), if it's a 5 or 9 I back it with $9 in hopes to win $6. If its a 4 or a 10, I load up and bet the full $30 in odds.
If and when I get my bankroll up to around $150 (assuming I started with $100) I will increase these odds bets and start laying odds on the 6 and 8's and upping the 5 and 9's. I'll also place the 6 and 8 if I'm a little bit ahead, but not too often.
I'm just curious what any of you think about this low rolling strategy and bankroll. Any comments or thoughts are appreciated.
My strategy is to bet the don't all the time. I simply place a $5 bet on the don't. If the point is 6 or 8, I play no odds (to be conservative with my small bankroll), if it's a 5 or 9 I back it with $9 in hopes to win $6. If its a 4 or a 10, I load up and bet the full $30 in odds.
If and when I get my bankroll up to around $150 (assuming I started with $100) I will increase these odds bets and start laying odds on the 6 and 8's and upping the 5 and 9's. I'll also place the 6 and 8 if I'm a little bit ahead, but not too often.
I'm just curious what any of you think about this low rolling strategy and bankroll. Any comments or thoughts are appreciated.
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:23:27 PM
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Sounds like fun!
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October 3rd, 2012 at 1:25:13 PM
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Love the sarcasm, but guys who make < $30,000/yr. like to play craps too!
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:35:56 PM
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The long-term expectation of an Odds bet is always the same, namely $0.00, so it does not hurt you to avoid the 6 and 8 if that is how you want to play. I believe that you may be overplaying your bankroll by dropping the full $30 on 4/10, especially if your BR is only $100, because three consecutive losses would actually wipe you out and then some.
This is basically the way I play Craps, though, so I pretty much agree. Perhaps you would want to go 2x Odds on 4/5/9/10 in the early stages of playing. Either that, or do it your way but make sure the BR is always $200. I'd hate to step up to the Table knowing I could drop my BR (and then some) in three points.
This is basically the way I play Craps, though, so I pretty much agree. Perhaps you would want to go 2x Odds on 4/5/9/10 in the early stages of playing. Either that, or do it your way but make sure the BR is always $200. I'd hate to step up to the Table knowing I could drop my BR (and then some) in three points.
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October 3rd, 2012 at 1:40:31 PM
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Since craps is a negative expectation game not playing every roll will help preserve your bankroll. Betting big on 4 and 10 will absolutely crush you if the table gets hot.
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:52:47 PM
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Excellent!Quote: mwalz9... I just love to play....
But most love to play AND win.
I think that if you really love to play Craps, you love to play the way you are playing.Quote: mwalz9I'm just curious what any of you think about this low rolling strategy and bankroll.
Any comments or thoughts are appreciated.
Would you love to play Craps the same
by having your $100 bankroll and just betting it all on the don't pass line? One shot. Double or go home?
I think not. You love to play.
So,
Why do you really care what other's think about your style of play?
You say you LOVE to play.
End of story...
unless you want to find out something else you are not telling us here,
like how often can you expect to double your bankroll with your current playing method,
or maybe the chances of playing for a minimum 2 hours and doubling your bankroll,
or just how fast can I lose my bankroll playing this way.
I, just like you, love to play,
but do not love to lose.
That love - no love relationship all over again
Have a Nice Day
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:55:28 PM
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OK? Since you brought it up...
What do you think I should be happy leaving with playing like this? Up $50? Doubling up? Playing 2 hours?
In other words what should my expectations be using this strategy. Real expectations.
What do you think I should be happy leaving with playing like this? Up $50? Doubling up? Playing 2 hours?
In other words what should my expectations be using this strategy. Real expectations.
October 3rd, 2012 at 2:19:14 PM
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Personally, if I had a small bankroll and I was playing the DON'T, exclusively, I wouldn't take odds on the 4/10, because for some reason, those are the ones that always seem to hurt me.
I buyin with a $500 bankroll and I play (sometimes; mostly play the PASS LINE) $10 DP with either $12/$15/$20 odds.
So you could buyin with a $250 bankroll and play $5 with $6/$9 (or $7.50 to be exact)/$10...just grind it out for fun...
I buyin with a $500 bankroll and I play (sometimes; mostly play the PASS LINE) $10 DP with either $12/$15/$20 odds.
So you could buyin with a $250 bankroll and play $5 with $6/$9 (or $7.50 to be exact)/$10...just grind it out for fun...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
October 3rd, 2012 at 3:11:52 PM
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October 3rd, 2012 at 3:36:38 PM
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October 3rd, 2012 at 4:17:01 PM
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Quote: mwalz9Love the sarcasm, but guys who make < $30,000/yr. like to play craps too!
I apologize if it came off as sarcastic, it was certainly not intended that way. You should play whatever method yields the highest degree of fun/loss minimization/ entertainment/utilitity to you, this mix is different for everybody. Sounds to me like you prefer more regular small wins instead of fewer large wins, no reason this is inferior/superior to any other system unless you like it better. The important thing is that you are playing bets with a low house edge.
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October 3rd, 2012 at 11:26:21 PM
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to the original poster: since you are a don't player I can only wish you minimal luck.
October 4th, 2012 at 9:29:50 AM
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mwalz9
I found playing the Don’t with a limited bankroll is a good choice.
Although you may not be popular at the table, it provides you with a decent chance to make some money and enjoy the action.
As for laying the odds, the variance can be instrumental in cutting your stay short, especially if you’re laying large amounts against the 4 or 10.
My own personal preference is to increase my initial bet rather than laying the odds, especially on Wins.
Another issue that devastates a bankroll is chasing.
Chasing a hot hand or several good hands could be a disaster, I prefer to limit my losses on each individual shooter, and certain losing patterns.
It’s those short term deviations that make players lose confidence in the long term math. My belief, have a plan, establish limits, and stick to those low house advantage bets.
I found playing the Don’t with a limited bankroll is a good choice.
Although you may not be popular at the table, it provides you with a decent chance to make some money and enjoy the action.
As for laying the odds, the variance can be instrumental in cutting your stay short, especially if you’re laying large amounts against the 4 or 10.
My own personal preference is to increase my initial bet rather than laying the odds, especially on Wins.
Another issue that devastates a bankroll is chasing.
Chasing a hot hand or several good hands could be a disaster, I prefer to limit my losses on each individual shooter, and certain losing patterns.
It’s those short term deviations that make players lose confidence in the long term math. My belief, have a plan, establish limits, and stick to those low house advantage bets.
October 4th, 2012 at 12:50:45 PM
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Playing the don't...likely to lose $13.60 per $1,000 wagered.
Playing the pass ..likely to lose $14.10 per $1,000 wagered.
With. $100 dollar bankroll, playing once a week for twenty years, or approx. $100,000.,
This would be expected loss of $1,360 on the don't vs $1410 on the pass.
This would be a difference of fifty dollars in twenty years....
If you don't mind being scorned by the rest of the table,
Then you can enjoy a nice dinner for one in twenty years,
With the extra fifty you will have saved yourself.
Bon appetit!
Playing the pass ..likely to lose $14.10 per $1,000 wagered.
With. $100 dollar bankroll, playing once a week for twenty years, or approx. $100,000.,
This would be expected loss of $1,360 on the don't vs $1410 on the pass.
This would be a difference of fifty dollars in twenty years....
If you don't mind being scorned by the rest of the table,
Then you can enjoy a nice dinner for one in twenty years,
With the extra fifty you will have saved yourself.
Bon appetit!
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
October 4th, 2012 at 5:17:00 PM
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Quote: WongBothe extra fifty you will have saved yourself.
There are other reasons to play the darkside. Avoiding the hassle of getting the attention to keep your odds on during the come-out might be the biggest.
There must be many, many areas of the country now where no one cares if you play the don't anyway, certainly my experience has been quite good in this regard. The old curmudgeons in AC and Vegas seem to be where likely scorn would come from.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
October 4th, 2012 at 5:32:17 PM
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I've never really caught much hell except one time at Bill's playing the rapid craps where you bet on the computer but still roll real dice. I was betting the don't and the hooter really took offense to this. He was being real militant and in fact, my girlfriend who doesn't know much about craps was curious as to why this guy was acting so irritable towards me. That was my only negative experience playing the don'ts.
I usually just get a "Oh this guy's playing the don'ts" or a "I should play like you since this table is so cold."
I usually just get a "Oh this guy's playing the don'ts" or a "I should play like you since this table is so cold."
October 5th, 2012 at 2:07:32 AM
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Quote: WongBoPlaying the don't...likely to lose $13.60 per $1,000 wagered.
Playing the pass ..likely to lose $14.10 per $1,000 wagered.
With. $100 dollar bankroll, playing once a week for twenty years, or approx. $100,000.,
This would be expected loss of $1,360 on the don't vs $1410 on the pass.
This would be a difference of fifty dollars in twenty years....
If you don't mind being scorned by the rest of the table,
Then you can enjoy a nice dinner for one in twenty years,
With the extra fifty you will have saved yourself.
Bon appetit!
What? No. If you take $100 with you each time you go, you wager a lot more than $100 on average. You rebet the same money over and over again as you win a little and lose a little.
You'd be right if you showed up, made exactly $100 worth of bets, and left. Like, bet $100 one (double up or go home) or made 20 $5 bets and left regardless of whether you were up, down, or even. But this is not how most people play.
[edit: included the quote]
October 5th, 2012 at 6:29:23 AM
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I was just making a point that there really is not much of a difference.
I realize a bankroll gets cycled through several times, ok let's say $150....
Just sayin...
.0005 is a pretty small difference.
Yes I suppose I could be classified as one of the old curmudgeons in AC,
But it's just too funny to watch the don't players squirm like rats
when they are berated for their glee at the table's misfortune.
It's all good, I don't really care.
I love to take on a don't player friend in a combat of wills.
I also like to play against the trend at baccarat.
There was a line in the "cost of living" episode of Star Trek TNG....
Alexander Rozhenko: [referring to two holo-characters] Why are they arguing?
Juggler: They're friends. They love contradiction. They, they thrive on challenge. They flourish in conflict.
Alexander Rozhenko: Then why are they friends?
Lwaxana Troi: Who else're you gonna fight with if not your friends?
I realize a bankroll gets cycled through several times, ok let's say $150....
Just sayin...
.0005 is a pretty small difference.
Yes I suppose I could be classified as one of the old curmudgeons in AC,
But it's just too funny to watch the don't players squirm like rats
when they are berated for their glee at the table's misfortune.
It's all good, I don't really care.
I love to take on a don't player friend in a combat of wills.
I also like to play against the trend at baccarat.
There was a line in the "cost of living" episode of Star Trek TNG....
Alexander Rozhenko: [referring to two holo-characters] Why are they arguing?
Juggler: They're friends. They love contradiction. They, they thrive on challenge. They flourish in conflict.
Alexander Rozhenko: Then why are they friends?
Lwaxana Troi: Who else're you gonna fight with if not your friends?
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
October 5th, 2012 at 8:04:04 AM
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Quote: WongBo
There was a line in the "cost of living" episode of Star Trek TNG....
Alexander Rozhenko: [referring to two holo-characters] Why are they arguing?
Juggler: They're friends. They love contradiction. They, they thrive on challenge. They flourish in conflict.
Alexander Rozhenko: Then why are they friends?
Lwaxana Troi: Who else're you gonna fight with if not your friends?
GOD that episode SUCKED.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
October 5th, 2012 at 3:03:52 PM
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Yeah but that line made me laugh....
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
October 6th, 2012 at 8:33:09 AM
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Quote: sodawaterWith a small bankroll I think it is better to play right side than wrong side simply because you have to lay out less money to win more money... 5 to win 6, 2 to win 3, 1 to win 2, instead of the opposite. With $100 bankroll I would flat bet $5 on the pass line and play $10 odds no matter the point. Should last a while and you could win more if the table starts getting hot.
This is a good idea especially if you are not currently laying full odds (which you aren't). If you put the same amount of money on the right side I believe you would be lowering your house edge by taking say 6x odds instead of laying 3x odds. Catch my drift? I have a small bankroll but I love this game, so I have to be conservative like you! I bet the pass line and will do 1 or 2 come bets depending on how much I am up. I have lost it all and then some, but I have also won 2 fire bets this way, making 10x my bankroll back. Results not typical. :) I also notice that I have more fun on the right side, with everyone cheering together for the same number.
With my small bankroll I usually have a more realistic goal of getting small comps, so losing money doesn't seem so bad. If I eat and drink for free I'm happy. :) I have gotten several good comps this way, and I always get a free meal. One of the ways I conserve my bankroll is to stash money away (in my pockets, purse) on every roll. If I win $20 on a roll, maybe I stash $5. And rarely do I dip into this kitty.
