Tip the Shooter/Dealers
July 21st, 2012 at 7:11:59 AM
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I watched a shooter hit hard four while at Caesers at least 7 times while also hitting the soft 4 about the same amount of times. One man had won $14,000 off of the shooter. He walked away tipping the dealers $25 and the shooter with nothing.... I was like damn.... Just the other night I hit a five point fire bet and someone gave me a $100 tip. They were on the fire bet for $5 and won $1,250. But $14,000? at least give the guy something....
July 21st, 2012 at 7:19:07 AM
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Quote: JoeyCrapsI watched a shooter hit hard four while at Caesers at least 7 times while also hitting the soft 4 about the same amount of times. One man had won $14,000 off of the shooter. He walked away tipping the dealers $25 and the shooter with nothing.... I was like damn.... Just the other night I hit a five point fire bet and someone gave me a $100 tip. They were on the fire bet for $5 and won $1,250. But $14,000? at least give the guy something....
Nah, the dice crew did all of the work. The shooter is free to bet on himself if he wants, and if he has a hot-roll has already made some cash.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 21st, 2012 at 8:08:59 AM
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i do not tip dealers based on win/loss amount.
i tip a buck here and there up to about $3-5$ an hour.
at a table of 10-12 people this would make my contribution an equal share of a THEORETICAL 30-60 an hour.
divided by three dealers comes out to 10-20 an hour each.
there are plenty of people who tip nothing at all, so the dealers appreciate ANy tips.
i can not be expected to make up for others stinginess.
if the casino is going to base my comps on theoretical loss,
it is perfectly reasonable to base staff tips on theoretical basis as well.
i think that is more than enough for them to expect to make dealing a game. it ain't hard labor.
i tip a buck here and there up to about $3-5$ an hour.
at a table of 10-12 people this would make my contribution an equal share of a THEORETICAL 30-60 an hour.
divided by three dealers comes out to 10-20 an hour each.
there are plenty of people who tip nothing at all, so the dealers appreciate ANy tips.
i can not be expected to make up for others stinginess.
if the casino is going to base my comps on theoretical loss,
it is perfectly reasonable to base staff tips on theoretical basis as well.
i think that is more than enough for them to expect to make dealing a game. it ain't hard labor.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 21st, 2012 at 2:48:16 PM
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Quote: WongBoi do not tip dealers based on win/loss amount.
i tip a buck here and there up to about $3-5$ an hour.
at a table of 10-12 people this would make my contribution an equal share of a THEORETICAL 30-60 an hour.
divided by three dealers comes out to 10-20 an hour each.
there are plenty of people who tip nothing at all, so the dealers appreciate ANy tips.
i can not be expected to make up for others stinginess.
if the casino is going to base my comps on theoretical loss,
it is perfectly reasonable to base staff tips on theoretical basis as well.
i think that is more than enough for them to expect to make dealing a game. it ain't hard labor.
This is the right way to look at it. But unfortunately it seems like most dealers feel entitled to big time tips and unless you are in the top quintile of tippers you aren't tipping enough. I tip $5 an hour or so. When I am winning big they think I am not tipping enough "You won $2 grand and only tipped $7?". On the other hand, if the cards beat you to hell, they say "I can't control the cards, I should be tipped for providing a service!" They really seem to look at it in whichever way benefits them most. Either that or they think I should tip so much an hour plus tip away all my winnings when I win. Granted not every dealer is this bad but really you cannot satisfy these people unless you are a consistently big tipper.
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July 21st, 2012 at 3:21:05 PM
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Just think of it this way: We are counting on your generosity to pay our rent, eat, and pay our bills. Many of us would rather get paid a fair salary and not have to count on the players generosity, but it is not that way. If you went to a restaurant and spent an hour there, but your bill was $200 would you still tip that $5 for an hours worth of service? Just make some bets for the dealer, or even on top of yours so you don't lose the bet+the winnings. It is much more appreciated than handing $5 after your done.
July 21st, 2012 at 3:25:04 PM
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I think tipping the shooter is ridiculous. He was just throwing dice, and probably made money off his rolls too. If tipping hot shooters became expected etiquette, then we would get freeloaders playing just to shake down the rest of the table for tips.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 21st, 2012 at 3:31:58 PM
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a couple of times playing at my favorite flea circus, the atlantic club in AC,
i have thrown a few bucks to a hot shooter,
if he made me a nice stack of chips,
and he subsequently busted out.
i have thrown a few bucks to a hot shooter,
if he made me a nice stack of chips,
and he subsequently busted out.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 21st, 2012 at 4:50:04 PM
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I have twice been tipped for my rolls... one time was a hard 8 that hit back to back, and the third one had me on for $5. I don't remember the other time, but I know that wasn't the first time I was tipped for shooting.
I've only tipped once for a shooter, and it was a 45-minute roll that took me for $150 to $700. I don't remember what I bet for him, but the dealers did quite well too.
I've only tipped once for a shooter, and it was a 45-minute roll that took me for $150 to $700. I don't remember what I bet for him, but the dealers did quite well too.
"One out of every four people are [morons]"- Kyle, South Park
July 21st, 2012 at 4:56:35 PM
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I tip "Hot" shooters. I have seen too many shooters hit multiple hardways and 4's and 10's and not make a single dollar on their roll because they were only betting the Pass Line (5,6,8,9) with Odds and didn't hit a single point. I also believe in good "Karma". A real "Lucky" Craps player that I met in the past few months tips shooters/dealers heavily and seems to always be on a "Hot" table.
Personally, I have received many tips (Totaling over $500) for hitting consecutive Horns while shooting. I only bet Horns on the Comeout roll so during the course of a game, when I'm hitting consecutive Horns (Not on the Comeout) I'm not betting on it. Hit consecutive Horns a couple weeks back to dig a man completely out of a $2,000 deficit in a few rolls. He threw me a $50 tip, I said "Thank You" and pocketed the $50. I have never requested a tip in my life however I will never turn one down...
I tip Dealers who give good service. I will not tip a dealer with attitude or a dealer who tries to bully me for a tip.
Personally, I have received many tips (Totaling over $500) for hitting consecutive Horns while shooting. I only bet Horns on the Comeout roll so during the course of a game, when I'm hitting consecutive Horns (Not on the Comeout) I'm not betting on it. Hit consecutive Horns a couple weeks back to dig a man completely out of a $2,000 deficit in a few rolls. He threw me a $50 tip, I said "Thank You" and pocketed the $50. I have never requested a tip in my life however I will never turn one down...
I tip Dealers who give good service. I will not tip a dealer with attitude or a dealer who tries to bully me for a tip.
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
July 21st, 2012 at 6:24:55 PM
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I always give my shooter tips to the dealers. I don't believe shooters should be tipped, so if the tipper sees me giving it to the dealer, maybe he will give it to them next time. I would do the same thing with a $50 tip.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
July 21st, 2012 at 6:33:19 PM
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I have been tipped (as shooter) on one occasion.
I had been flat-betting the worng way and hit five consecutive points (No Fire, four of the points were either 6's/8's) but I was throwing the Hell out of the field. I didn't track the exact numbers on it (until it was pointed out to me), but from that point on, about 70% of my dice were Field. I actually started making some Field Bets on myself for a tidy little profit.
In any event, I kept losing on my DP+ODDS, at least the one occasion where I laid odds because I don't Lay on 6/8. The guy at the other end of the table said, "Between the Field, the Come, and the Odds, I've made nearly a grand off of you! I want to give you $25 for your next bet, but you have to bet it on the Pass Line."
I agreed to this readily enough because I'm not going to turn down a Free Bet made for me. In any event, I made the point another six and then immediately sevened-out. He should have given me the $25, but let me bet it in whatever fashion I wanted. I probably would have made another point for him, then!
I was ready to go, but he tried to compel the others to pass the dice back around to me for more Field action. Everyone wanted the dice that day, though, so that didn't happen.
I had been flat-betting the worng way and hit five consecutive points (No Fire, four of the points were either 6's/8's) but I was throwing the Hell out of the field. I didn't track the exact numbers on it (until it was pointed out to me), but from that point on, about 70% of my dice were Field. I actually started making some Field Bets on myself for a tidy little profit.
In any event, I kept losing on my DP+ODDS, at least the one occasion where I laid odds because I don't Lay on 6/8. The guy at the other end of the table said, "Between the Field, the Come, and the Odds, I've made nearly a grand off of you! I want to give you $25 for your next bet, but you have to bet it on the Pass Line."
I agreed to this readily enough because I'm not going to turn down a Free Bet made for me. In any event, I made the point another six and then immediately sevened-out. He should have given me the $25, but let me bet it in whatever fashion I wanted. I probably would have made another point for him, then!
I was ready to go, but he tried to compel the others to pass the dice back around to me for more Field action. Everyone wanted the dice that day, though, so that didn't happen.
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July 21st, 2012 at 6:47:26 PM
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A few years ago, probably my best roll for a while, I kept hitting hard 6s and 8s. One guy opposite me was winning £1900 (for a £200 bet) and when he had made over £10k made a £25 bet for me on the point's hard 8. It was kind of him but sadly I made the point easy, and sevened out a few points later. Meanwhile I had recovered my losses and made over £300 (betting £3 comes/single odds). It's great when you know the whole table's winning - there's a really good buzz.Quote: Mission146I have been tipped (as shooter) on one occasion...
July 23rd, 2012 at 2:03:04 PM
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I don't tip at all unless I'm winning. If the dealers are obnoxious or short with me in any way, they get nothing regardless. I don't think tipping a shooter will ever become "expected etiquitte" but neither am I opposed to throwing a little toward a shooter who made lots for the table. The key is that all tipping should be voluntary. I once had someone new to VP ask me how to play the draw on a potentially big pay hand. He was going to play it incorrectly. I explained the correct play and why he should play it that way. He hit for the big money. I wouldn't have turned down a tip since I enabled his big win. But hey, I didn't feel entitled to it either. Que sera, sera.
July 23rd, 2012 at 2:26:31 PM
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Quote: WizardI think tipping the shooter is ridiculous. He was just throwing dice, and probably made money off his rolls too. If tipping hot shooters became expected etiquette, then we would get freeloaders playing just to shake down the rest of the table for tips.
Hey, if they can roll them' bones, then why the hell not?!
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July 23rd, 2012 at 2:47:59 PM
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Bet the dark side. Then you never feel obligated to tip a "hot" shooter.
Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math.
July 24th, 2012 at 6:33:08 PM
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When using the Force... $1 on the line for the Dealers, $4 in back on 4 5 9 10, or $5 on the 6/8.
On the Dark Side... toss'em $5.
On the Dark Side... toss'em $5.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
July 24th, 2012 at 7:51:49 PM
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For god's sake tip the dealers not the shooter.....when the next close call comes up you have a better chance if you are tipping the boys and not p'ing them off tipping the shooter.
July 24th, 2012 at 10:27:52 PM
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every craps player should know that you throw a buck out somewhere for the crew on your first win.
lets them know you are looking out for them and they will look out for you.
i have routinely had them make some little error in my favor at some point in a long session.
lets them know you are looking out for them and they will look out for you.
i have routinely had them make some little error in my favor at some point in a long session.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 25th, 2012 at 11:45:36 AM
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Quote: WongBoevery craps player should know that you throw a buck out somewhere for the crew on your first win.
lets them know you are looking out for them and they will look out for you.
i have routinely had them make some little error in my favor at some point in a long session.
Wouldn't that more properly be considered a bribe than a tip? And any craps player should know that crews HATE sucker bets being made for them. Throw them chips "for the table" or don't bother at all.
July 28th, 2012 at 2:58:43 PM
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Quote: 4andaKickerWouldn't that more properly be considered a bribe than a tip? And any craps player should know that crews HATE sucker bets being made for them. Throw them chips "for the table" or don't bother at all.
I'm not sure this is true. I used to just toss in a chip for the boys regularly and almost without fail they would put it on some hardway, and often parlay it when it hit.
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July 28th, 2012 at 3:44:33 PM
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Quote: bigfoot66I'm not sure this is true. I used to just toss in a chip for the boys regularly and almost without fail they would put it on some hardway, and often parlay it when it hit.
I see this happen a lot too. A person is about to leave the table and throws $3 in white chips for the crew. The stickman then moves the chips to one of the hard ways.
I asked about this once and the dice crew's response was that they wanted to make the tip worthwhile.
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September 5th, 2012 at 6:22:31 PM
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I always play the dark side. I hit 3 points in a row the other night, and rolled the dice about 30 times total without seeing a 7. Everyone was cleaning up but me. A guy tossed me 2 reds after my roll. My first ever tip shooting in 5+ years of playing.
September 5th, 2012 at 7:14:56 PM
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As Darth Vader, I always play the dark side too, but never roll myself. Nothing worse than beating yourself.
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7-out, line away, pay the don't.
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September 6th, 2012 at 3:52:40 AM
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I agree that tippi
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September 6th, 2012 at 11:39:45 AM
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Tipping the shooter is a little dicey in my mind because the tip would be relative to what my wager is. If I buy in for 200 bucks and later toss a guy 10 bucks, he might very well be insulted by the gesture. Especially if he was sitting on a pile of greens or on the flipside 20 whites. Money is money, but there might be a pride issue. Also I guess in my limited amount of total play, I have never experienced any thing close to an epic roll.
I have bet a three way hard way for me, the dealers, and shooter. Garbage bet, but fun.
I have bet a three way hard way for me, the dealers, and shooter. Garbage bet, but fun.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:25:49 PM
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You can tip the shooter if they roll favorably to your bets.
I do tip shooters and I encourage shooters. But any time I give a shooter a bet, I throw in a chip for the dealers and I say "lock it up no bet for the boys."
I advise that if you are going to tip the shooter, ALWAYS tip the boys immediately following the shooter. And I recommend not tipping a bet, instead just throw it in near the paddle and yell "LOCK IT UP FOR THE BOYS!"
But don't take enough time to be criticized by the dealers for not tipping the dealers.
Never tipping a shooter is choosing not to experience 100% of the game. Tipping the shooter has led to some of the most favorable outcomes ever imaginable on the table.
I do tip shooters and I encourage shooters. But any time I give a shooter a bet, I throw in a chip for the dealers and I say "lock it up no bet for the boys."
I advise that if you are going to tip the shooter, ALWAYS tip the boys immediately following the shooter. And I recommend not tipping a bet, instead just throw it in near the paddle and yell "LOCK IT UP FOR THE BOYS!"
But don't take enough time to be criticized by the dealers for not tipping the dealers.
Never tipping a shooter is choosing not to experience 100% of the game. Tipping the shooter has led to some of the most favorable outcomes ever imaginable on the table.
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