HitStation
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February 22nd, 2012 at 2:53:31 AM permalink
The Wizard states that the house edge on 21+3 blackjack side bet using 6 decks is 3.24% but this is the edge before a card is dealt. If we assume an even distribution of cards to the extent that the last 52 cards are a complete deck then the house edge at card 52 from the end is 13.14% (1920/22100 combos paying 9:1 and and the rest losing). Should the house edges be recalculated to show the min edge and max edge and possibly a simulated edge based on a billion or so simulations?
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February 22nd, 2012 at 8:42:45 AM permalink
See Blackjack In Color: How valuable is each TC

Entirely up to the Wizard if he wants to run card counting studies on the distribution of EV for each side bet. I'm betting he doesn't.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 8:56:45 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Entirely up to the Wizard if he wants to run card counting studies on the distribution of EV for each side bet. I'm betting he doesn't.



That bet would be an easy winner. My blackjack appendix 8 already covers about 40 side bets. I'm not going to analyze each one of them by penetration or true count. For the recreational gambler, I think my figures are fine. Even many blackjack writers quote the house edge as just the first hand after the shuffle, like Schlesinger.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 9:01:17 AM permalink
Well then I guess I can forget about asking what the HE is on a Field of Gold side bet in an 8 deck shoe, with 111 cards already played, a true count of -2.66, and a side count of Aces at a -6. Plus the dealers wears size 11 shoes. DAMN !
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February 22nd, 2012 at 9:16:50 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Well then I guess I can forget about asking what the HE is on a Field of Gold side bet in an 8 deck shoe, with 111 cards already played, a true count of -2.66, and a side count of Aces at a -6. Plus the dealers wears size 11 shoes. DAMN !


:) I have a bunch of the same side bets listed in google docs. You can edit the deck composition and see what the house edge is. I haven't done Field of Gold yet, but might do that next.
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UCivan
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February 22nd, 2012 at 9:26:27 AM permalink
Quote: Miplet

I have a bunch of the same side bets listed in google docs. You can edit the deck composition and see what the house edge is. I haven't done Field of Gold yet, but might do that next.



I saw Shortie Blackjack at WinnaVegas Casino, Sloan, Iowa. They play 6 decks. Check out the information on eTable Games. Do you want to do an analysis? May be a TC will show this side bet is beatable :-)
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February 22nd, 2012 at 3:10:44 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

I saw Shortie Blackjack at WinnaVegas Casino, Sloan, Iowa. They play 6 decks. Check out the information on eTable Games. Do you want to do an analysis? May be a TC will show this side bet is beatable :-)



It might be beatable, but then you'd have to drive to Sloan Iowa to play it... ever been to Sloan? There's NOTHING there.

I have many fond memories of being underage and gambling with my grandmother at that casino. The dealers are quite friendly and keep their own tips, which is nice (or they did). But Sloan is a horrible town with very little around it.
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UCivan
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February 22nd, 2012 at 3:23:17 PM permalink
We have more than 5 casinos within 2-3 hrs drive near by Sloan: WinnaVegas, Horseshoe, Harrah's, Ameristar Casino Hotel at Council Bluff and so on. When I lost in other casinos, I go to WinaVegas to get my money back.
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