SONBP2
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September 21st, 2011 at 11:39:46 AM permalink
Was in Laughlin over the weekend and played at Harrah's. Sat down at a $10 minimum blackjack table with a six deck shoe. I made the mistake of not seeking out the rules and did not see any rules posted on the table. However, I hit a blackjack and was only paid 6/5 and I remarked to the dealer, "Really? On a six deck shoe?" She then gave me the rules as follows:

(1) Six deck shoe;
(2) Blackjack pays 6/5;
(3) Split Aces up to 4x;
(4) No double after split; and
(5) Cannot hit split aces.

Wizard's House edge calculator has this the house edge at a staggering 1.84%.

Isn't this about as bad as it gets for the house edge on blackjack?
Elrohir44
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September 21st, 2011 at 11:44:14 AM permalink
It's sad to see what is happening in Laughlin. A few years ago all 6-5 BJ was eliminated in the town but it is starting to make a comeback. Almost all of the casinos have been downgrading their VP as well. Aquarius is the only place that still has 100%+ VP.
Paigowdan
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September 21st, 2011 at 11:50:07 AM permalink
Quote: SONBP2

Wizard's House edge calculator has this the house edge at a staggering 1.84%.

Isn't this about as bad as it gets for the house edge on blackjack?



Got to admit, that's a pretty lame BJ offering! I'd say it seldom gets worse than that.
Now, to see a 1.84% HE on a flat bet as "staggering" is eye-opening, and it tells us what we've come to expect from BJ offerings - that they should be ~ 1% or even less.
That is a very mild and reasonable house edge for non-BJ games like Poker-based carnival games, Pai Gow Poker and place/prop bet, etc.
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RoyalBJ
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September 21st, 2011 at 12:13:18 PM permalink
Quote: SONBP2

I made the mistake of not seeking out the rules and did not see any rules posted on the table. However, I hit a blackjack and was only paid 6/5 and I remarked to the dealer, "Really? On a six deck shoe?" She then gave me the rules as follows:

(1) Six deck shoe;
(2) Blackjack pays 6/5;
(3) Split Aces up to 4x;
(4) No double after split; and
(5) Cannot hit split aces.



Go out more often. Four Queens downtown has several tables like this for a long time. More 6/5 than 3/2.
SONBP2
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September 21st, 2011 at 12:32:07 PM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

Go out more often. Four Queens downtown has several tables like this for a long time. More 6/5 than 3/2.



I haven't played blackjack at the four queens, but have only seen 6/5 shoes at Harrahs. Haven't seen 6/5 shoes downtown, but its been about a year since I worked down there. I would think that Laughlin would be trying to appeal to Vegas locals by offering good blackjack games and nice odds on craps.
Tiltpoul
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September 21st, 2011 at 2:40:38 PM permalink
Quote: SONBP2


(1) Six deck shoe;
(2) Blackjack pays 6/5;
(3) Split Aces up to 4x;
(4) No double after split; and
(5) Cannot hit split aces.

Isn't this about as bad as it gets for the house edge on blackjack?



Nope, it gets worse. The Party Pit at Caesars and the Pool pit at Caesars offer these "fantastic rules."
1) Six-decks
2) BJ 6:5
3) Split any two cards only once
4) Double on 10,11 only
5) No double after split
6) No Surrender

That's the worst I've ever seen.
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November 24th, 2020 at 7:02:11 PM permalink
Quote: Elrohir44

It's sad to see what is happening in Laughlin. A few years ago all 6-5 BJ was eliminated in the town but it is starting to make a comeback. Almost all of the casinos have been downgrading their VP as well. Aquarius is the only place that still has 100%+ VP.


Just dropped 20 bucks on those Aquarius VP machines
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