When to stand with 16 vs 10

I know that at a TC of 0 or more, you stand. I'm thinking that you don't even need to do TC calculation though, since the deviation point is 0, and instead just stand if the RC is 0+. For instance, T6 vs 10 is a RC of -2, thus you'd hit. But with 772 vs 10, that would be a RC of 0, so you'd stand.

If I just answered my own question, and this works, I'm surprised that even BS players don't use this. Wouldn't be hard to count one hand and an upcard with Hi-Lo. Very very small gain you say? Yes, but we all know many players wish they could stand with 16s, so I'm sure many players would like this.

I wonder what other deviations there are that could be used in an 8 deck game where it's shuffled after every hand. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the only one, not counting hands where you have a ridiculous amount of cards that make up your hand.

Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

I just answered my own question

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BS players do use this.

Standing or hitting on 16 vs. a 10 in the long run will make a negligible difference either way. I know some blackjack players who will always stand on 16 v. 10 as a cover play.

Quote: teddys

Standing or hitting on 16 vs. a 10 in the long run will make a negligible difference either way. I know some blackjack players who will always stand on 16 v. 10 as a cover play.

If you're playing 1 vs 1, by yourself online, why not? Why not make that extra penny every few hands? Now if you're sitting there figuring it out for 30+ seconds, then ya, but this is easy.

Personally I always hit 16 vs 10, whereas I vary whether to hit 12 vs 4 and 13 vs 3. btw if someone does know, given the natural variation of the count, whether one is better to hit or stand (assuming flat stakes) - i.e. whether what you gain by hitting when the count's bad is larger than the loss when count's good or vice versa. Obviously if you vary your stake, it's better to stand as you will tend to have more bet when you should stand.

Quote: charliepatrick

Personally I always hit 16 vs 10, whereas I vary whether to hit 12 vs 4 and 13 vs 3. btw if someone does know, given the natural variation of the count, whether one is better to hit or stand (assuming flat stakes) - i.e. whether what you gain by hitting when the count's bad is larger than the loss when count's good or vice versa.

No, what you gain by hitting is less than what you lose on average. That's exactly the reason why basic strategy says stand.

There are some situations where it is simply so close between Optimal Strategy and Next-Best Strategy, that it just doesn't matter much and a card counter can behave whimsically for cover purposes and not really be giving up much. A bit of hesitation and perhaps the "wrong" action probably helps more than it hurts.

SilentBob's analysis seems correct, and backed up by the Wizard: In WoO Blackjack Appendix 18 he gives BS exceptions based on the number of cards in your hand. One is to stand on hard 16 vs. 10 with three or more cards. Having a three-card 16 requires an RC of at least +1, or "0" including the dealer's ten. It's pretty easy to look glum and undecided and then chicken out and stand in this situation. Odd are you lose most of the time no matter which way you decide.

hmm i thought u always surrender 16v10

Correct, Surrender is not available in all places. In fact, I would imagine very few places, off the strip or outside NV.

I feel like this horse has been dead an buried !!

We know that w/ a 10 up, the dealer will make 17+ ( 71 % of the time) and only bust (21 % of the time)

So by NOT hitting, you will only win 2/10. Much rather catch a A-5, love catching a 5 w/ a big bet out , or bust !! Much more exciting !!