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sport
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June 7th, 2011 at 2:34:31 PM permalink
How many players actually know the difference between the dealer hitting and not hitting soft 17?
dm
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June 7th, 2011 at 2:37:13 PM permalink
Curious about A A 5
teddys
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June 7th, 2011 at 2:44:26 PM permalink
Quote: dm

Curious about A A 5

Hit in an H17 game.
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June 7th, 2011 at 3:01:15 PM permalink
I think just about all experienced players know what it means for the dealer to hit a soft 17. However, I would doubt if most know for a fact which way is better. I think if you did a poll, the majority would say a H17 game is better for the player. I've always wanted to do the following poll of players at 6-5 games:

Which is more:

A) 6/5
B) 3/2
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June 7th, 2011 at 3:44:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think just about all experienced players know what it means for the dealer to hit a soft 17. However, I would doubt if most know for a fact which way is better. I think if you did a poll, the majority would say a H17 game is better for the player. I've always wanted to do the following poll of players at 6-5 games:

Which is more:

A) 6/5
B) 3/2


3:2 silly
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June 7th, 2011 at 4:26:37 PM permalink
Bunch of young college girls at his table, you bet that dealer was having some fun. You are far more interesting to him than a curmudgeonly old alki like me.

I think most players know about a dealer hitting on soft 17 and most of those have very strongly held opinions on it. I dare say the probably hold the wrong opinion. And explaining things to them won't work. They already know "the truth".

One long time slot player just confessed to me that all she knows is how to put her bill into the machine and press the minimum bet button. Doesn't want to learn any more than that either.

Maybe that is why everyone is opening up a casino all over the country. Compulsive gamblers are profitable. Ignorant compulsive gamblers are very profitable.
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June 7th, 2011 at 5:57:27 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think just about all experienced players know what it means for the dealer to hit a soft 17. However, I would doubt if most know for a fact which way is better. I think if you did a poll, the majority would say a H17 game is better for the player. I've always wanted to do the following poll of players at 6-5 games:

Which is more:

A) 6/5
B) 3/2



Sad part is few care. A buddy of mine stated flat out he could care less about 6:5 so with that attitude would he care about S17? He has enough cash he doesn't care.

My experience is that the average person does not know there are ANY rules differences in BJ let alone which are good for them. More will care that the cocktail waitress gets the drinks fast and is hot enough to metl the ice in them.
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June 7th, 2011 at 6:07:18 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

One long time slot player just confessed to me that all she knows is how to put her bill into the machine and press the minimum bet button. Doesn't want to learn any more than that either.



When it comes to slots, there isn't much more to learn. You can try to convert slot players to video poker, but it never works.
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June 8th, 2011 at 7:20:58 AM permalink
Another thing with the soft 17 rule is that unlike for example DAS or surrender the effect on the odds is less obvious (with the other examples I gave they're ones that affect the player's options, and most know that adding options is good for the player while taking them away hurts the player).
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June 8th, 2011 at 8:13:10 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

When it comes to slots, there isn't much more to learn.





Disagree

There are many different progressive and bonus slot machines throughout the entire country and abroad.
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June 8th, 2011 at 9:09:40 AM permalink
Quote: JIMMYFOCKER

Disagree

There are many different progressive and bonus slot machines throughout the entire country and abroad.



And a talented player has the opportunity to lose money playing each and every one !
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June 8th, 2011 at 9:15:51 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Hit in an H17 game.



Why are you sure? One A is soft and one hard.
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June 8th, 2011 at 9:20:42 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

When it comes to slots, there isn't much more to learn. You can try to convert slot players to video poker, but it never works.

She could at least attempt to figure out this maximum coin stuff but if that little red button will be activated with one coin she doesn't see why she should have to put in three of them. Sometimes it really is just that bad!

As to Video Poker, the more plentiful drinks and possibility of higher quality booze by playing at a video poker machine inlaid into some bar top simply is not sufficient incentive for her to tackle this utterly incomprehensible stuff about two pair and three of a kind or any other sort of astrophysics that is beyond her blondeness.
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June 8th, 2011 at 11:11:44 AM permalink
Quote: dm

Why are you sure? One A is soft and one hard.

That's what she said. ZING
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June 8th, 2011 at 1:49:12 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

And a talented player has the opportunity to lose money playing each and every one !



Sure, but that's true of 3/2 BJ as well. And there really ARE some slot nuances worth noting: machines guaranteed to hit before the progressive reaches a certain level, machines where the player collects doodads in order to get into the bonus, etc.
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June 8th, 2011 at 2:38:36 PM permalink
I read somewhere that many novice player believe that hard 17 is a good hand. They confuse the fact that they don't have to risk busting with a high probability of winning.

So I would say that many people do not see the advantage of hitting a soft 17, since that would involve understanding that 17 is more likely to lose than to win.
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