Player can stand with firs two cards with score less than 12?
October 25th, 2026 at 2:46:14 AM
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Our BJ house rule is;
Number of decks of cards used: 6
Dealer stands on a soft 17
Player can double after a split
Player can double on Any first two cards
Player can resplit to 4 hands
Player can resplit aces to 4 hands
Player can not hit split aces
Player loses all bets against dealer BJ
Blackjack pays 3 to 2
HE with cut card = 0,47%
HE with continuous shuffler = 0,45%
Q. is: what is HE if player can stand with firs two cards with score less than 12 on this 6 deck BJ and classic Double Deck BJ where HE = 0,42% under your calc.?
Number of decks of cards used: 6
Dealer stands on a soft 17
Player can double after a split
Player can double on Any first two cards
Player can resplit to 4 hands
Player can resplit aces to 4 hands
Player can not hit split aces
Player loses all bets against dealer BJ
Blackjack pays 3 to 2
HE with cut card = 0,47%
HE with continuous shuffler = 0,45%
Q. is: what is HE if player can stand with firs two cards with score less than 12 on this 6 deck BJ and classic Double Deck BJ where HE = 0,42% under your calc.?
October 25th, 2026 at 5:02:14 AM
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I don't know an answer to that, and also a player BJ would push with a dealer BJ unless insurance was taken and then the insurance bet wins.
What your question answers for me is that a CSM is something to not shun as a non-card counter. The HA is competitive to a cut card shoe. I don't know if it would cut back on winning and losing streaks compared to a cut card shoe. Some people hate CSMs regardless.
As for playing only to two cards below 12, why? I think some No-Bust strategies are around a 3.4% to 4% HA, but they at least hit on 9, 10, or 11.
Overall I'm running a 1% to 3% win rate, so adding more HA cuts into profits. Taxes will wipe out any profits though in 2026 with the 90% loss rule.
What your question answers for me is that a CSM is something to not shun as a non-card counter. The HA is competitive to a cut card shoe. I don't know if it would cut back on winning and losing streaks compared to a cut card shoe. Some people hate CSMs regardless.
As for playing only to two cards below 12, why? I think some No-Bust strategies are around a 3.4% to 4% HA, but they at least hit on 9, 10, or 11.
Overall I'm running a 1% to 3% win rate, so adding more HA cuts into profits. Taxes will wipe out any profits though in 2026 with the 90% loss rule.
October 25th, 2026 at 5:57:45 AM
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Quote: robertbOur BJ house rule is;
Number of decks of cards used: 6
Dealer stands on a soft 17
Player can double after a split
Player can double on Any first two cards
Player can resplit to 4 hands
Player can resplit aces to 4 hands
Player can not hit split aces
Player loses all bets against dealer BJ
Blackjack pays 3 to 2
HE with cut card = 0,47%
HE with continuous shuffler = 0,45%
Q. is: what is HE if player can stand with firs two cards with score less than 12 on this 6 deck BJ and classic Double Deck BJ where HE = 0,42% under your calc.?
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I see a gap - does the dealer take a hole card? Does the dealer peek for blackjack?
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 25th, 2026 at 8:27:15 AM
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In BJ dealer take one face up card!
I am askig this becouse the rule for player is that must hit on 11 or less. In DDBJ some new or drunk player dont hit on 11 or less and cause a problem. What will be diference if we accept the rule that player can stand whit two whatever cards?
I am askig this becouse the rule for player is that must hit on 11 or less. In DDBJ some new or drunk player dont hit on 11 or less and cause a problem. What will be diference if we accept the rule that player can stand whit two whatever cards?
October 25th, 2026 at 8:38:35 AM
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Quote: robertbIn BJ dealer take one face up card!
I am askig this becouse the rule for player is that must hit on 11 or less.
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A player who stands on 11 will have the exact same result as one who stands on 12, on any particular hand of blackjack.
I don't get it, how is this a rule? A player who stands on 11 or less is either a very bad player, or a very good one, and being either bad enough or good enough to do that is very rare.
October 25th, 2026 at 9:15:49 AM
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Quote: robertbIn BJ dealer take one face up card!
I am askig this becouse the rule for player is that must hit on 11 or less. In DDBJ some new or drunk player dont hit on 11 or less and cause a problem. What will be diference if we accept the rule that player can stand whit two whatever cards?
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Some customs deal all cards face up, and the dealer only takes one initial card, and completes their hand after all player action.
Some other customs deal one card to the dealer face down, and it is revealed after the players complete their actions.
Having a hole card and checking for dealer natural before player action generally leads to more decisions per hour, but gives up the additional bet losses to a dealer natural.
If the house elects not to deal a second dealer card before player action completes, the house is subjecting itself to possible card steering. You cannot force a player to draw. They bought the hand, if they (foolishly!) feel that standing on a pair of 3's is the best possible play, that must be honored.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 25th, 2026 at 11:54:12 AM
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It reminds me of an oddball rule in "Free Bet Blackjack" and I assume it's in "Blackjack Switch" as well. In order to win on the "Push 22" bonus, the dealer must have a 22, and the player must have a total of *29 or less*.
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October 25th, 2026 at 12:16:22 PM
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Many casinos rules are ridiculous. They make them exist for a purpose, that is, to mislead players to give more profit to casinos. For example, many video poker machines claim a 99.99% return to player rate, but this number is only achievable with an optimal strategy and a full credit wager.
October 25th, 2026 at 3:02:32 PM
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Number of decks of cards used: 2
Dealer stands on a soft 17
Player can double after a split
Player can double on Any first two cards
Player can resplit to 4 hands
Player can resplit aces to 4 hands
Player can not hit split aces
Blackjack pays 3 to 2
There is a high limit public table in Vegas that has these rules, and I don't mean a rinky-dink it's a nice property.
Nowadays I get those rules at a few of the Majors by negotiation but that's at very high credit lines and limits, and because grandfathered in and most of them didn't bother to rescind. Everyone else gets the same though, minus the resplit aces rule, so double deck is really the way to go.
Dealer stands on a soft 17
Player can double after a split
Player can double on Any first two cards
Player can resplit to 4 hands
Player can resplit aces to 4 hands
Player can not hit split aces
Blackjack pays 3 to 2
There is a high limit public table in Vegas that has these rules, and I don't mean a rinky-dink it's a nice property.
Nowadays I get those rules at a few of the Majors by negotiation but that's at very high credit lines and limits, and because grandfathered in and most of them didn't bother to rescind. Everyone else gets the same though, minus the resplit aces rule, so double deck is really the way to go.
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October 25th, 2026 at 10:45:39 PM
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In our DDBJ is only one difference: Player can double on any 9, 10 and 11.
October 26th, 2026 at 7:40:17 AM
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I doubt that's the only difference.
I assume you also have "Player loses all bets against dealer BJ." We don't have that in Vegas.
I assume you also have "Player loses all bets against dealer BJ." We don't have that in Vegas.
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October 26th, 2026 at 7:47:26 AM
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That’s probably not accurate. In america, almost all of the blackjack machines are of European styles, that is, dealer does not reserve a hole card for her.
October 26th, 2026 at 7:52:45 AM
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Quote: acesideThat’s probably not accurate. In america, almost all of the blackjack machines are of European styles, that is, dealer does not reserve a hole card for her.
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That does not match what I have seen.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 28th, 2026 at 10:55:21 AM
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What is my goal?
We are runnig classic "EU" BJ (min.10+), DDBJ (min.20+) and Free Bet BJ (min.10+).
In all of this variant I want, that every round of deal, dealer get one open (face up) and one close (face down) card!
And player can do with 2 whole cards what evever hi/she want under split and duble rules!
This will make less mistake and contestation.
BTW, That is my opinion.
Best regards;
Robert B.
We are runnig classic "EU" BJ (min.10+), DDBJ (min.20+) and Free Bet BJ (min.10+).
In all of this variant I want, that every round of deal, dealer get one open (face up) and one close (face down) card!
And player can do with 2 whole cards what evever hi/she want under split and duble rules!
This will make less mistake and contestation.
BTW, That is my opinion.
Best regards;
Robert B.
November 6th, 2026 at 6:52:26 AM
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Letting players stand on a two-card total under 12 doesn't change the house edge for anyone playing correctly, because standing is never the best play on those hands. In your no-hole-card game, standing on 6-5 against a ten is worth -0.58 per unit against +0.03 for hitting. The rule only costs the players who use it, so dropping the forced hit changes nothing for the house and removes the disputes.
For reference, I ran your rule set through a combinatorial analyzer (6 decks, S17, double any two, DAS, resplit to four including aces, no hitting split aces, no hole card, all bets lost to a dealer blackjack, 3:2), assuming a full shoe each round like a CSM:
So your 0.45% CSM figure checks out, and the "loses all bets" rule is worth about 0.12% to the house on six decks.
For reference, I ran your rule set through a combinatorial analyzer (6 decks, S17, double any two, DAS, resplit to four including aces, no hitting split aces, no hole card, all bets lost to a dealer blackjack, 3:2), assuming a full shoe each round like a CSM:
- 6 decks: 0.455% with total-dependent basic strategy (0.451% with composition-dependent play).
- Same rules but only the original bet lost to a dealer blackjack, which plays exactly like a peek game: 0.338%.
- 2 decks, all bets lost: 0.253%; original bet only: 0.141%.
So your 0.45% CSM figure checks out, and the "loses all bets" rule is worth about 0.12% to the house on six decks.
