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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.

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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
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I hadn’t heard that an employee was selling bootlegged copies. I knew someone was though.

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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
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I found little of value in it beyond freely available sources online.

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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
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I found little of value in it beyond freely available sources online.
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Are you talking the new book called lockdown edition?

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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
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I found little of value in it beyond freely available sources online.
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Are you talking the new book called lockdown edition?
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I was talking about the 2023 publication.

This appears to be a different edition (different ISBN) but it is not listed as having any new information on Huntington Press or anywhere else online.

Most of Grosjean's writings are of questionable value and largely obsolete: even a vibe coder can simulate simple gambling games quite easily nowadays.

My impression of Grosjean stuff is hole carding, but I haven’t found any such opportunities in any casinos.

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Quote: DRich

James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
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I found little of value in it beyond freely available sources online.
link to original post

Are you talking the new book called lockdown edition?
link to original post

I was talking about the 2023 publication.

This appears to be a different edition (different ISBN) but it is not listed as having any new information on Huntington Press or anywhere else online.

Most of Grosjean's writings are of questionable value and largely obsolete: even a vibe coder can simulate simple gambling games quite easily nowadays.
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When the original beyond counting and follow up Exhibit CAa came out the information was still quite valuable and for people without coding skills especially. Now as you say much can be found online and many people can code or use AI to code to figure out things.

I’m interested.

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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
link to original post

I found little of value in it beyond freely available sources online.
link to original post

Are you talking the new book called lockdown edition?
link to original post

I was talking about the 2023 publication.

This appears to be a different edition (different ISBN) but it is not listed as having any new information on Huntington Press or anywhere else online.

Most of Grosjean's writings are of questionable value and largely obsolete: even a vibe coder can simulate simple gambling games quite easily nowadays.
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When the original beyond counting and follow up Exhibit CAa came out the information was still quite valuable and for people without coding skills especially. Now as you say much can be found online and many people can code or use AI to code to figure out things.
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I beg to differ there.

Any one who was trying to hole-card in 2000 badly out of the loop. That was the dawn of online bonus hustling.You could deposit at online casinos all day long $100 for $100 5x playthrough, rinse/repeat, $1000 for $1000 in many cases or even higher. Well over 100K a year on no bankroll, almost no variance. Or you could middle no-juice promos for 10k against each other pocket 2k bonus money and if you hit a few middles. Look through the archives here, it was insane.

I cannot stress how hopelessly out of touch any one using ap at that time in a physical casino was. I don't mean to be unkind but the point needs emphasis. That was the best opportunity for AP's in human history and Grosjean never even mentioned it.

With regard to the opportunities: he never actually explains how to find HC opportunities so most players just won't be able to use the info. If you can find out the opportunities (obviously the machines caused serious problems but not everyone knew that) it is questionable how useful his advice is give you can't play optimal strategy without making it obvious you are a HC player.

Grosjean has this trick of publishing raw edge numbers: but there's never any explicit mention of the fact that most of the carny games games have very high variance and consequently much lower SCORES relative to edge, nor is there any much mention of scouting time which can be very high (10x or more), nor the difficulty of getting hands in against a specific dealer.

When you take all that into consideration you see an op like 1cp with an apparently great SCORE of 220 for the piece of crap it mostly actually is, inferior as a practical matter to a mediocre count game with a SCORE of 50: yet he's always criticizing card counters. It gets rather tiresome.

I'd add 1 card 3cp is just basically mimic the dealer, you don't really need a formal analysis.

Anyway to answer the question: we don't know what new information is in this new edition if any.

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James Grosjean's new book is now available at Huntington Press. I believe it is called "Ultimate Report Lockdown".

I am hoping that the Wizard has read or reviewed it and can comment. At a $1000 for a new book I would like some insight before I would buy such a book. Hopefully a Huntington Press employee will be selling bootlegged copies like they did for Exhibit CAA.
link to original post

I found little of value in it beyond freely available sources online.
link to original post

Are you talking the new book called lockdown edition?
link to original post

I was talking about the 2023 publication.

This appears to be a different edition (different ISBN) but it is not listed as having any new information on Huntington Press or anywhere else online.

Most of Grosjean's writings are of questionable value and largely obsolete: even a vibe coder can simulate simple gambling games quite easily nowadays.
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When the original beyond counting and follow up Exhibit CAa came out the information was still quite valuable and for people without coding skills especially. Now as you say much can be found online and many people can code or use AI to code to figure out things.
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I beg to differ there.

Any one who was trying to hole-card in 2000 badly out of the loop. That was the dawn of online bonus hustling.You could deposit at online casinos all day long $100 for $100 5x playthrough, rinse/repeat, $1000 for $1000 in many cases or even higher. Well over 100K a year on no bankroll, almost no variance. Or you could middle no-juice promos for 10k against each other pocket 2k bonus money and if you hit a few middles. Look through the archives here, it was insane.

I cannot stress how hopelessly out of touch any one using ap at that time in a physical casino was. I don't mean to be unkind but the point needs emphasis. That was the best opportunity for AP's in human history and Grosjean never even mentioned it.

With regard to the opportunities: he never actually explains how to find HC opportunities so most players just won't be able to use the info. If you can find out the opportunities (obviously the machines caused serious problems but not everyone knew that) it is questionable how useful his advice is give you can't play optimal strategy without making it obvious you are a HC player.

Grosjean has this trick of publishing raw edge numbers: but there's never any explicit mention of the fact that most of the carny games games have very high variance and consequently much lower SCORES relative to edge, nor is there any much mention of scouting time which can be very high (10x or more), nor the difficulty of getting hands in against a specific dealer.

When you take all that into consideration you see an op like 1cp with an apparently great SCORE of 220 for the piece of crap it mostly actually is, inferior as a practical matter to a mediocre count game with a SCORE of 50: yet he's always criticizing card counters. It gets rather tiresome.

I'd add 1 card 3cp is just basically mimic the dealer, you don't really need a formal analysis.

Anyway to answer the question: we don't know what new information is in this new edition if any.
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I admit myself and many others were unaware or oblivious to online opportunities at that time. Holecard opportunities were everywhere in the early 2000s scouting was minimal in one casino alone I had 18 dealers on my list . Certainly times have changed and finding playable dealers is much harder now. I agree with you on 3cp . There’s always someone that will be doing better and more financially rewarding plays but people do what they can or what they know.

By the way , good to see you posting. I may have an idea of who you are and if I am correct I always enjoyed your posts on other sites.

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I admit myself and many others were unaware or oblivious to online opportunities at that time. Holecard opportunities were everywhere in the early 2000s scouting was minimal in one casino alone I had 18 dealers on my list . Certainly times have changed and finding playable dealers is much harder now. I agree with you on 3cp . There’s always someone that will be doing better and more financially rewarding plays but people do what they can or what they know.

That is very impressive I must admit.You must have trained a lot? to get reliable reads on that many loaders even during those times.

I know there are certain situations which minimize scouting time, and HC can be very lucrative in these situations. I'm not down on hole-card play as such, simply the way Grosjean promotes the concept without explaining how to deal with any of the practical issues.

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I admit myself and many others were unaware or oblivious to online opportunities at that time. Holecard opportunities were everywhere in the early 2000s scouting was minimal in one casino alone I had 18 dealers on my list . Certainly times have changed and finding playable dealers is much harder now. I agree with you on 3cp . There’s always someone that will be doing better and more financially rewarding plays but people do what they can or what they know.

That is very impressive I must admit.You must have trained a lot? to get reliable reads on that many loaders even during those times.

I know there are certain situations which minimize scouting time, and HC can be very lucrative in these situations. I'm not down on hole-card play as such, simply the way Grosjean promotes the concept without explaining how to deal with any of the practical issues.
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It really wasn’t hard . Once you know what to look for it was easy. It wasn’t just one casino either there were multiple casinos that had multiple dealers. One day there were 4 crews playing 4 games in one pit it was quite hilarious.
Also I was just average there were many who were much more skilled than myself.
Regarding online play I was afraid of being cheated so I never really looked into it until years later.

Did anyone here other than me take advantage of the sweepstakes bonus situation last year? I made almost a $1000 from that - and I got into it pretty late.

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I admit myself and many others were unaware or oblivious to online opportunities at that time. Holecard opportunities were everywhere in the early 2000s scouting was minimal in one casino alone I had 18 dealers on my list . Certainly times have changed and finding playable dealers is much harder now. I agree with you on 3cp . There’s always someone that will be doing better and more financially rewarding plays but people do what they can or what they know.

That is very impressive I must admit.You must have trained a lot? to get reliable reads on that many loaders even during those times.

I know there are certain situations which minimize scouting time, and HC can be very lucrative in these situations. I'm not down on hole-card play as such, simply the way Grosjean promotes the concept without explaining how to deal with any of the practical issues.
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However, it appeared to be quite easy to find provided that the one knew what exactly he needed. There were not only a couple of casinos, but also a couple of those and even some dealers. As far as my knowledge about this game is concerned, it is necessary to say that I was not a very good gambler since there were many others who played better. Talking about the computer games, I am convinced that it was impossible to ruin my honor playing them.