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October 20th, 2024 at 5:53:20 PM permalink
Player gets a card, dealer gets a card face up.
then player again and start hitting and standing.
dealer doesnt have two cards until you stand.
then dealer flips their second card from the deck.

Does this change rtp?

What if 1st card is faced down?
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October 20th, 2024 at 6:01:33 PM permalink
Maybe you just saw the same YouTube video I just saw about some card counter at such a casino. The dealer’s first card is face up and he doesn’t even draw until you’re done.

What came to mind is the lack of having to deal with the ace on the bottom dealer blackjack. Actually no insurance no even money at all - which unless you’re counting and the count is high enough are bets you should not take anyway.

But the ace on bottom blackjack also removes the choice entirely, in a normal game.

But before getting to that - what are the rest of the rules. Maybe there are some other odd rules that go with this type of dealing.

If you get a blackjack are you done and paid 3:2 no matter what even if the dealer gets a blackjack too?
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October 20th, 2024 at 6:04:42 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Player gets a card, dealer gets a card face up.
then player again and start hitting and standing.
dealer doesnt have two cards until you stand.
then dealer flips their second card from the deck.

Does this change rtp?
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100xOdds,

The procedure you describe is probably* what is called European No Hole Card, or ENHC for short. Overall, ENHC reduces the player's return, because if the upcard is an Ace or X (a ten-value card) and the player splits or doubles down, he will lose all if the dealer subsequently gets a BJ. Under the typical American rules, the dealer would expose his BJ before the player had the opportunity to put out an additional bet.

*I say probably, because in some casinos under this dealing arrangement the player loses only his original wager on a dealer BJ, while in others the player loses his original wager plus any busted hands on a dealer BJ.

Hope this helps!

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October 20th, 2024 at 6:06:04 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Player gets a card, dealer gets a card face up.
then player again and start hitting and standing.
dealer doesnt have two cards until you stand.
then dealer flips their second card from the deck.

Does this change rtp?

What if 1st card is faced down?
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Is what you are explaining any different than the common European No Hole Card method?
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October 21st, 2024 at 12:06:37 PM permalink
Quote: DogHand

Quote: 100xOdds

Player gets a card, dealer gets a card face up.
then player again and start hitting and standing.
dealer doesnt have two cards until you stand.
then dealer flips their second card from the deck.

Does this change rtp?
link to original post


100xOdds,

The procedure you describe is probably* what is called European No Hole Card, or ENHC for short. Overall, ENHC reduces the player's return, because if the upcard is an Ace or X (a ten-value card) and the player splits or doubles down, he will lose all if the dealer subsequently gets a BJ. Under the typical American rules, the dealer would expose his BJ before the player had the opportunity to put out an additional bet.

*I say probably, because in some casinos under this dealing arrangement the player loses only his original wager on a dealer BJ, while in others the player loses his original wager plus any busted hands on a dealer BJ.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand
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I don't play BJ much but noticed that the dealer didn't deal himself a 2nd card. I was like wha??
Then he drew his card after the player stands.

Thx
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October 22nd, 2024 at 2:51:09 AM permalink
Yes. It's European rules. Dealer does not check for blackjack, which adds to house edge.
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October 22nd, 2024 at 3:13:29 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Yes. It's European rules. Dealer does not check for blackjack, which adds to house edge.
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Just need to find European casinos that don't take your splits and doubles when he has blackjack.
Then same HE?
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October 22nd, 2024 at 8:51:48 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Player gets a card, dealer gets a card face up.
then player again and start hitting and standing.
dealer doesnt have two cards until you stand.
then dealer flips their second card from the deck.

Does this change rtp?

What if 1st card is faced down?
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Response to your last question (boldfaced text): Of course, with no information about either of the dealer’s cards, the RTP will decrease and the strategy will become much simpler (a single column instead of 10!)
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October 22nd, 2024 at 11:22:38 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Yes. It's European rules. Dealer does not check for blackjack, which adds to house edge.
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Does RTP change much?

I think I'm seeing about 11 cents less per hundred dollars wagered.
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