ChumpChange
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May 14th, 2024 at 11:50:40 AM permalink
I want to bet with a $2.50 chip in my stack in BJ or Spanish 21. Say I bet $22.50 a BJ would pay $33.75. They likely don't have actual 25 cent pieces in the tray, they could pay me $31 + a $2.50 chip for $33.50 and short me $0.25 on the payout. If I bet $37.50 a BJ would pay $56.25, and for the lack of a coin they could pay me $56. For surrenders on $22.50 they'd want at least $11.25 back so they could return me $11 and short me $0.25; and for the $37.50 bet they'd want $18.75 back so they could pay me $16 + a $2.50 chip for a $18.50 payout and $0.25 short.
I'm just running a progression that runs nicely at these bet values. I might lose $10 in quarters in a session this way, idk. I don't intend to be stuck at this progression throughout the session, it's just the 2nd level at a $15 table between $15 and $30 bet level progressions.
I don't know if the dealer would just say no bets like this for blackjack, it's too much hassle and calculation. Seems people bet haphazardly all the time at the table, why would this not be allowed, but the dealers might rightly object. I usually bet two $2.50 chips instead of a $5 chip when they add up in front of me. I've just never tried to bet just one $2.50 chip in the stack.
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May 14th, 2024 at 12:23:23 PM permalink
The dealers shouldn't object; depending on the casino their policy is usually to either round up or down for oddball bets. I know it's like that for commission-based games like Baccarat and Pai Gow.
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May 14th, 2024 at 12:52:13 PM permalink
Here's a previous Wizard of Vegas thread about this subject.

(By the way, my favorite bet similar to this was in Resorts in Atlantic City at the $3 blackjack table. They allowed us to fully insure our $3 bets for $1, which gave the bet a 23% player advantage.)
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May 14th, 2024 at 8:19:48 PM permalink
Why would you want to bet the $2.50 if you're going to get shorted on a blackjack? You should avoid that at all costs.

Now if you find a generous casino that rounds *up*, then bet that $2.50 all day long.
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May 15th, 2024 at 4:44:49 AM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Why would you want to bet the $2.50 if you're going to get shorted on a blackjack? You should avoid that at all costs.

Now if you find a generous casino that rounds *up*, then bet that $2.50 all day long.
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Atlantic City gaming rules state that it must be rounded up.

For this reason they will discourage these type of odd bets.

On the other hand, making $1 toke bets on the inside craps numbers is a huge advantage. So much so that before Showboat closed, they had the otherwise unused pink $2.50 chips on the craps table, specifically so the rounding was reduced. ($1 toke bet: if it wins, $2.50 into the toke box, $1 into the rack.)
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May 15th, 2024 at 2:43:22 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: Deucekies

Why would you want to bet the $2.50 if you're going to get shorted on a blackjack? You should avoid that at all costs.

Now if you find a generous casino that rounds *up*, then bet that $2.50 all day long.
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Atlantic City gaming rules state that it must be rounded up.

For this reason they will discourage these type of odd bets.



I would imagine they'd disallow them completely in that case, wouldn't they?
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ChumpChange
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June 18th, 2024 at 2:39:50 AM permalink
One table at one casino has quarters in their tray and they'll pay a BJ on a $2.50 chip. At the local casino there's no quarters in the tray so I'm not going to bother them with betting single $2.50 chips. The tables are way too choppy with too many players so a progression fails. If it's heads up or 1 or 2 other players, a progression might work because it will be less choppy supposedly. I could save that for bets that aren't $10 or $20.

I've been buying in with 15 bet buy-ins because of my low budget and generally I can last awhile on that but sometimes one shoe can take it down to nothing or double or triple up my money. I plan on 2 or 3 buy-ins for 2 to 3 hours of play, and cash out to start over if I lost the first session and won it back.

I've gone from $5 minimum BJ machines to $10 minimum Spanish 21 to $15 BJ in a couple months with a very few trips. I expect I'll get to $25 tables in a couple weeks or so. There's only one $15 table at my local casino, so getting off that crowded table would be a priority. Not sure if I should switch back to Spanish 21 or stay with BJ. Depends which game the dealer can draw to 21 more easily on without busting. The $25 Spanish 21 table is usually crowded and there's only one table. There's many more $25 BJ tables, but for some reason they are usually crowded too.
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