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March 5th, 2024 at 10:45:00 AM permalink
So I found a dealer who is kind of breaking the rules. This is LIVE ONLINE.

The game physically stops when any kind of action is not supposed to happen such as a misdeal, and if the dealer accidentally flips over a card or sees the card in general.

From what I understand, the dealer is not allowed to peek at the hole card.

But this girl started to do do it every hand. She also likes to give her opinion about the strength of the hand with her facial expressions too. I swear she came from a casino that let her do it because she does it very protective and seems like she doesnt think its breaking any rules.

What kind of EV is this if it is even any type of EV haha
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March 5th, 2024 at 1:26:59 PM permalink
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So I found a dealer who is kind of breaking the rules. This is LIVE ONLINE.

The game physically stops when any kind of action is not supposed to happen such as a misdeal, and if the dealer accidentally flips over a card or sees the card in general.

From what I understand, the dealer is not allowed to peek at the hole card.

But this girl started to do do it every hand. She also likes to give her opinion about the strength of the hand with her facial expressions too. I swear she came from a casino that let her do it because she does it very protective and seems like she doesnt think its breaking any rules.

What kind of EV is this if it is even any type of EV haha
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It depends on EXACTLY what information you can glean from a ‘facial expression’. It also depends how aggressive you feel you can be with your actions. If her facial expression tells you ‘I have a ten which gives me a 20’, can you get away with hitting your hard 19?
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March 5th, 2024 at 1:38:34 PM permalink
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So I found a dealer who is kind of breaking the rules. This is LIVE ONLINE.

The game physically stops when any kind of action is not supposed to happen such as a misdeal, and if the dealer accidentally flips over a card or sees the card in general.

From what I understand, the dealer is not allowed to peek at the hole card.

But this girl started to do do it every hand. She also likes to give her opinion about the strength of the hand with her facial expressions too. I swear she came from a casino that let her do it because she does it very protective and seems like she doesnt think its breaking any rules.

What kind of EV is this if it is even any type of EV haha
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Oh WOW! What Soopoo said.
It would be weird if peeking revealed a BJ to her and she then killed the round , but it sounds like she isn't. Is she really peeking every time, not just on a ten?

I can't see this continuing long before the house cottons on. She MAY BE colluding with someone out in Internet land.

Depending on how well her face can be read, this could make games just about +EV to substantially +EV
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March 5th, 2024 at 1:48:18 PM permalink
When she (this dealer) has a 7-A: If the dealer's face indicates: "I have a hand that is 17-21"or indicates "I have a 12-16."

and

When she has a 2-6: If the dealer's face indicates: "I have a hand that is 7-11" or indicates "I have a 12-16"

Then the player has a large advantage, maybe in the very rough ballpark of 10%

You have much of the advantage of a double exposure blackjack game in which the dealer reveals both cards. In double exposure BJ, the player advantage of seeing both cards is offset by these rule changes:

- Dealer wins on all ties, except on a natural blackjack.
- Player blackjack pays even money
- Player may split only once.

In your game, you would have knowledge of both cards, but don't have the disadvantage of the above rule changes!
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March 5th, 2024 at 2:59:03 PM permalink
i didnt stay with her long as i didnt want to ruin it but i think the deal that I remember is i had hard 16 and she had a ten showing... her face was "optimistic" as in it wasnt bad. I surrender as I am not counting and she turns over a 14.

Then i came here because as it has been said... i dont see her lasting too long and i dont want give the a reason to take the money I played with her back.
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March 5th, 2024 at 3:57:03 PM permalink
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i didnt stay with her long as i didnt want to ruin it but i think the deal that I remember is i had hard 16 and she had a ten showing... her face was "optimistic" as in it wasnt bad. I surrender as I am not counting and she turns over a 14.

Then i came here because as it has been said... i dont see her lasting too long and i dont want give the a reason to take the money I played with her back.
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How many ‘units’ did you win while playing with her? Out of how many ‘nuts’ bet?
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March 5th, 2024 at 4:39:53 PM permalink
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So I found a dealer who is kind of breaking the rules. This is LIVE ONLINE.

The game physically stops when any kind of action is not supposed to happen such as a misdeal, and if the dealer accidentally flips over a card or sees the card in general.

From what I understand, the dealer is not allowed to peek at the hole card.

But this girl started to do do it every hand. She also likes to give her opinion about the strength of the hand with her facial expressions too. I swear she came from a casino that let her do it because she does it very protective and seems like she doesnt think its breaking any rules.

What kind of EV is this if it is even any type of EV haha
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Of course you are playing +EV. In my experience, playing BJ online is +EV without counting or any help from the dealer.
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March 5th, 2024 at 9:04:58 PM permalink
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So I found a dealer who is kind of breaking the rules. This is LIVE ONLINE.

The game physically stops when any kind of action is not supposed to happen such as a misdeal, and if the dealer accidentally flips over a card or sees the card in general.

From what I understand, the dealer is not allowed to peek at the hole card.

But this girl started to do do it every hand. She also likes to give her opinion about the strength of the hand with her facial expressions too. I swear she came from a casino that let her do it because she does it very protective and seems like she doesnt think its breaking any rules.

What kind of EV is this if it is even any type of EV haha
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Of course you are playing +EV. In my experience, playing BJ online is +EV without counting or any help from the dealer.
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is this because i dont have to spend money on a car to get to the casino in the first place?
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March 6th, 2024 at 1:24:08 AM permalink
Maybe this is a casino marketing ploy, for mislead?
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March 6th, 2024 at 2:25:35 AM permalink
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Of course you are playing +EV. In my experience, playing BJ online is +EV without counting or any help from the dealer.
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Why would you say that ? Some sort of humour?
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March 6th, 2024 at 3:32:36 AM permalink
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Of course you are playing +EV. In my experience, playing BJ online is +EV without counting or any help from the dealer.
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Why would you say that ? Some sort of humour?
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If you cannot find an online casino that offers enough promotions to make BJ +EV, then you are not trying very hard. I get all the BJ action I want at +EV.

Yesterday, I was getting 0.58% promo cash and 0.05% cashback via points to play any online casino game except craps. They offered a BJ game with a very good set of rules. The promo was limited to the first $180K action. The same promo gave me an 0.5% edge on the first $20K of action on slots.

Today I have a 20% loss rebate on table games at a different casino. Both promos have a 1x wagering requirement for bonus money.
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March 6th, 2024 at 11:40:39 AM permalink
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Of course you are playing +EV. In my experience, playing BJ online is +EV without counting or any help from the dealer.
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Why would you say that ? Some sort of humour?
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to be honest... i somewhat considered that humor... as my point of view is that mental is respected by you all and they seem to always have a seriously involved answer most of the time... which is why I replied the way that I did... figured we would see a real answer eventually

I know I myself am probably normally at -EV even with a dealer who is "telling" me their hands
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March 6th, 2024 at 12:06:56 PM permalink
I was playing live online today. The dealer always slides every card across the reader. The hole card stays flat against the table. The dealer never peaks or has a reason to peak because the card reader with tell them if they have BJ. I have never seen a dealer check the hole card, but I avoid playing against a live dealer if I can. The only non-standard dealing that I see regularly is that some dealers will not turn a double down card sideways.

Today's promo was only good if I was playing games against a live dealer. The first BJ of the day paid an extra $50. I just play the $25 table minimum until I get my first BJ. Usually, it comes quickly. Today, I had over $2000 in action before I got that first BJ. The dealer had eight BJs in that session before I got mine. At one point, the dealer had an ace showing on four hands in a row and hit a BJ all four hands. Everyone but me had left the table by the fourth consecutive BJ.
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March 6th, 2024 at 3:48:05 PM permalink
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I was playing live online today. The dealer always slides every card across the reader. The hole card stays flat against the table. The dealer never peaks or has a reason to peak because the card reader with tell them if they have BJ. I have never seen a dealer check the hole card, but I avoid playing against a live dealer if I can. The only non-standard dealing that I see regularly is that some dealers will not turn a double down card sideways.

Today's promo was only good if I was playing games against a live dealer. The first BJ of the day paid an extra $50. I just play the $25 table minimum until I get my first BJ. Usually, it comes quickly. Today, I had over $2000 in action before I got that first BJ. The dealer had eight BJs in that session before I got mine. At one point, the dealer had an ace showing on four hands in a row and hit a BJ all four hands. Everyone but me had left the table by the fourth consecutive BJ.
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if were giving reports... ive been too tilted to play poker and have been takinig my anger out on the blackjack tables. 2 days ago I started with 250 that I accidentally won in a PLO tournament... i have never played more than 5 PLO tournaments probably but my tilt comes from the holdem and greed i mean i wish to win 1 million dollars not 250.

Then the winning started to happen. Of course in between today and 2 days ago ive been up and down. I flat bet(lol) 25 dollars each hand normally. Yesterday I got the F*** its and was betting with 100 though because all the tables had multiple people in them and I like to be in first position by myself at the table.

Today that balance is now about 2500. I did not see that girl again or if i did she wasnt peeking. So none of this is any exploiting her facial expressions.

Im a very rec gambler and do this for fun. Counting seems too headache inducing to me so I really just dont care. Win lose its all useless to me Im just there to click buttons and hopefully have streaks like this.

I always give it back and this time as im typing this i may go and cash it out.

choices choices

right now as i type .... todays bet/win/loss is $7,857 / win $567.5
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