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debuts in theaters today - from Scorsese - got an excellent review from the NYT which I didn't link because of their paywall







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September 10th, 2021 at 4:50:55 AM permalink
Just to be clear Scorsese is behind the project but this is a Paul Schrader film.

Written and directed by Schrader.

Schrader wrote four screenplays for Scorsese among many films in his career including Taxi Driver.
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September 10th, 2021 at 6:11:54 AM permalink
Nice trailer. Hadn’t heard about this film. Now I want to see it.
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September 10th, 2021 at 7:17:12 AM permalink
I reach the opposite conclusion, but I guess I'm going to have to review it sooner or later. It seems like it's more about the stupid character, than anything.
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September 10th, 2021 at 7:35:12 AM permalink
I see it's playing at the Suncoast, which is near where I live. I'm sure a review with me forthcoming.

The initial score at IMDB is 6.7, which is pretty low, given the rating inflation at that site.
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September 10th, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM permalink
For the most part, IMDB ratings of 7.0 or higher are good movies, and below, not necessarily. However, if one is interested in the GENRE (in this case, gambling) that sometimes makes the movie more enjoyable and worth watching notwithstanding that it might be intrinsically not such an exceptional film.

For example Mississippi Grind is rated 6.4 and it does have some issues but I enjoyed watching it more than once because of the subject matter. Lay the Favorite, is only 4.8 but worth at least one viewing, again, if you interested in that genre. Honeymoon in Vegas, again, silly, 5.8, but worth watching once, just for the casino and gambling context.
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September 10th, 2021 at 7:53:47 AM permalink
Some gambling podcast did a review on it, and their opinion was it’s not a gambling movie despite the title. It does ha e gambling in it, he’s a gambler. He is a gambler but they could have made him about anything without really changing the story.
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September 10th, 2021 at 8:06:56 AM permalink
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linked is a review from the L.A. Times - the reviewer was very impressed with the movie

it looks like a lot is going on in this movie that's not related to gambling
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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2021-09-09/card-counter-review-oscar-isaac-tiffany-haddish-paul-schrader


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September 10th, 2021 at 8:46:37 AM permalink
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September 10th, 2021 at 8:58:31 AM permalink
Card counting and, apparently, poker too! I hope its both good and realistic.

Card counting is such a lonely occupation, in my experience. Yet the trailer has a girl using her tongue as she says she's "Looking for a thoroughbred" and then a younger hot-shot AP/cheat that the card counter interacts with. Those are Hollywood script devices, IMO. Still, I hope the depiction of card-counting is 10X better than it was in the film about the MIT Team.

I'm assuming that no one in this forum was a technical adviser to the film?
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September 10th, 2021 at 10:48:21 AM permalink
I watched the Nora from Queens episode "Atlantic City" (season 1, episode 2) last night, and she gets removed from the blackjack table by security who says "card counting is illegal."

But it's supposed to be a comedy. (She's also playing a pachinko machine meant for home use while surrounded by real slot machines.)
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Quote: mcallister3200

Some gambling podcast did a review on it, and their opinion was it’s not a gambling movie despite the title. It does ha e gambling in it, he’s a gambler. He is a gambler but they could have made him about anything without really changing the story.

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    That would be The Bettor Life podcast featuring Tim Lawson. As usual when reviewing gambling movies, Mark DeVol of the You Can Bet On That podcast was with him providing his own opinions.

    Yeah, that was their mutual opinion- that despite the name, it wasn’t a gambling story. And there was more poker than blackjack, although not much of that either.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 11:44:28 AM permalink
    I'd heard about this movie a few months ago, but was told it wasn't really a gambling movie so I mostly forgot about it.
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    I just saw it.

    Let me say, most importantly, that this isn't a gambling movie. It is about a mid-level advantage player, mainly poker but also blackjack, but the gambling is only touched on lightly. The movie is very badly named and I feel misled.

    The movie is about the guards who worked interrogating and torturing prisoners in Iraq in the early 2000's. Their lives come together years after the fact. That is about as far as I'll take it. To go further might violate forum rules on political and controversial speech.

    While I can't fault the movie on any technical level, it simply wasn't enjoyable to watch. I'm normally one to like dark movies, but I felt I was being tortured to watch it. However, I had to see how things would end, so I stuck with it.

    Perhaps I'll write a longer review later. However, for now, please don't see this movie because it's a gambling movie. IT'S NOT!
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    September 10th, 2021 at 5:33:15 PM permalink
    It is going to be hard to discuss this movie without violating any number of rules.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 5:39:18 PM permalink
    It sounds like this movie is as much about the experience of being an advantage player as Taxi Driver was about the experience of driving a yellow cab.

    Of course, Taxi Driver screenplay is by Paul Schrader, the same guy who wrote and directed this film. So sounds like he is just going by the MO that has worked for him for years.

    I.e. no cab drivers seemed to complain Taxi Driver was really making political statements and could have easily been about a garbage man or postal worker (there would have been some irony years later if it had been a postal worker. Too bad)

    Not excusing the film. I haven't seen it. Just stating the context of it's title.
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    It sounds like this movie is as much about the experience of being an advantage player as Taxi Driver was about the experience of driving a yellow cab.



    I agree. Perhaps the title is an homage to Taxi Driver. Call me fooled by thinking it would be about card counting.
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    Quote: Wizard

    I agree. Perhaps the title is an homage to Taxi Driver. Call me fooled by thinking it would be about card counting.

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    I noticed many movies are titled after a very small part of the plot, like how Ben Affleck's The accountant isn't really about Accounting. (wouldn't that make a fun movie!)
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    Quote: tyler498

    I noticed many movies are titled after a very small part of the plot, like how Ben Affleck's The accountant isn't really about Accounting. (wouldn't that make a fun movie!)

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    I agree. Save the Tiger is another good example. However, card counting has always been a dramatic topic for movies. Accounting is not.

    I also think the trailer is misleading, with about half the time having to do with gambling. I would roughly estimate only about 10% of the actual movie time is gambling related and that 10% is not very interesting or relevant to the plot.


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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:09:16 PM permalink
    Quote: Wizard

    I just saw it.

    Let me say, most importantly, that this isn't a gambling movie. It is about a mid-level advantage player, mainly poker but also blackjack, but the gambling is only touched on lightly. The movie is very badly named and I feel misled.

    The movie is about the guards who worked interrogating and torturing prisoners in Iraq in the early 2000's. Their lives come together years after the fact. That is about as far as I'll take it. To go further might violate forum rules on political and controversial speech.

    While I can't fault the movie on any technical level, it simply wasn't enjoyable to watch. I'm normally one to like dark movies, but I felt I was being tortured to watch it. However, I had to see how things would end, so I stuck with it.

    Perhaps I'll write a longer review later. However, for now, please don't see this movie because it's a gambling movie. IT'S NOT!

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    Saves me eight bucks, thanks!
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:09:07 PM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Quote: Wizard

    I just saw it.

    Let me say, most importantly, that this isn't a gambling movie. It is about a mid-level advantage player, mainly poker but also blackjack, but the gambling is only touched on lightly. The movie is very badly named and I feel misled.

    The movie is about the guards who worked interrogating and torturing prisoners in Iraq in the early 2000's. Their lives come together years after the fact. That is about as far as I'll take it. To go further might violate forum rules on political and controversial speech.

    While I can't fault the movie on any technical level, it simply wasn't enjoyable to watch. I'm normally one to like dark movies, but I felt I was being tortured to watch it. However, I had to see how things would end, so I stuck with it.

    Perhaps I'll write a longer review later. However, for now, please don't see this movie because it's a gambling movie. IT'S NOT!

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    Saves me eight bucks, thanks!
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    You definitely don't live in Manhattan. The matinee is $10!
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    For 180 days, I lived the life of a card counter. Im looking forward to seeing this movie.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 9:54:40 AM permalink
    Quote: tyler498


    I noticed many movies are titled after a very small part of the plot, like how Ben Affleck's The accountant isn't really about Accounting. (wouldn't that make a fun movie!)

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    "One Night In Paris" was aptly named.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 10:59:37 AM permalink
    Uhh, The Gambler (the Dostoevsky book, the Kenny Rogers song and both movies) is about a gambler. Casino is about a casino. Goodfellas is about goodfellas. Sir Gawain and the Green Knight or Ode on a Grecian Urn are exactly about their titles.

    And so on.
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    Wasn't the main point of The Accountant that he was THE ACCOUNTANT to the worlds biggest cartels?
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    September 11th, 2021 at 12:01:17 PM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    Uhh, The Gambler (the Dostoevsky book, the Kenny Rogers song and both movies) is about a gambler. Casino is about a casino. Goodfellas is about goodfellas. Sir Gawain and the Green Knight or Ode on a Grecian Urn are exactly about their titles.

    And so on.

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    Well, A Clockwork Orange has nothing to do with working clocks or Oranges.
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    Well, A Clockwork Orange has nothing to do with working clocks or Oranges.

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    I think that title had to do with a poem that suggested changing a man's nature, as was attempted in the movie, was akin to making a clockwork (or mechanical) orange.
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    By definition, a human being is endowed with free will. He can use this to choose between good and evil. If he can only perform good or only perform evil, then he is a clockwork orange-meaning that he has the appearance of an organism lovely with colour and juice but is in fact only a clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil or (since this is increasingly replacing both) the Almighty State. It is as inhuman to be totally good as it is to be totally evil. The important thing is moral choice.
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    Excerpts from the novel itself:

    "It's a book," I said. "It's a book what you are writing." I made the old goloss very coarse. "I have always had the strong-est admiration for them as can write books." Then I looked at its top sheet, and there was the name - A C L O C K W O R K O R A N G E - and I said: "That's a fair gloopy title. Who ever heard of a clockwork orange?" Then I read a malenky bit out loud in a sort of very high type preaching goloss: " - The attempt to impose upon man, a creature of growth and capable of sweetness, to ooze juicily at the last round the bearded lips of God, to attempt to impose, I say, laws and conditions appropriate to a mechanical creation, against this I raise my sword-pen - " Dim made the old lip-music at that and I had to smeck myself.


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    Poker is one of my weakest areas when it comes to gambling. That said, I would like to discuss one element of The Card Counter.

    The main character travels the mid-Atlantic area, chasing poker tournaments and conventions at casinos where he believes there to be soft play. At one such tournament, he runs into an old acquaintance, Lalinda, who, it is explained, it an agent between investors and professional poker players. She explains how net winnings are split 50/50 between the player and the investors, who may or may not wish to be known. I suppose she travels around to these tournaments to verify the winnings and losings of the players in her "stable."

    No particular question here, just opening it up to discussion. I have heard, many times, of investors backing professional gamblers who are high on skill and low on money. It's usually done on a play by play basis. I guess my question is whether this is so organized at the poker level that there are agents involved between the players and investors?


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    September 12th, 2021 at 8:55:39 AM permalink
    Quote: Wizard

    I guess my question is whether this is so organized at the poker level that there are agents involved between the players and investors?



  • Youstake exists.
    I believe I first heard about it on the Gambling with an Edge podcast.

    Beyond that, I know less about poker than you do, so hopefully someone with firsthand knowledge can tell us - straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.
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    Yes, I had same comment. Investors may buy a stake in individual players for individual tournaments using an internet site (Youstake.com; pokerstaking.com, stakekings.com, chipmeup.com) I have never heard of agents though. Successful players usually are well-known and don't need an agent to attract investors.

    When you see these televised super-high-roller tournaments with buy-ins of 100k to 300K, they often (usually?) only own a fraction of their buy-in. I imagine that helps them to avoid the "playing scared" problem (although those guys probably don't have that problem.) It is amazing to see some of those players bust out and do a re-buy, and occasionally bust out a 2nd time and re-buy again.
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    September 12th, 2021 at 10:21:22 AM permalink
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    Successful players usually are well-known and don't need an agent to attract investors.

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    I would expect an agent would be there to represent the investor, not the player.
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    September 12th, 2021 at 10:58:49 AM permalink
    I'd think that any fairly large team that also has outside investors would have agents or handlers working with them. Someone to manage rooms, flights, bankrolls, etc, etc. If I were based in Vegas, I'd want all the money staying there rather than flying back and forth all the time. You'd want a safe house, so to speak and someone to coordinate play.
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    I'd think that any fairly large team that also has outside investors would have agents or handlers working with them. Someone to manage rooms, flights, bankrolls, etc, etc. If I were based in Vegas, I'd want all the money staying there rather than flying back and forth all the time. You'd want a safe house, so to speak and someone to coordinate play.

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    When I was an investor in a card counting team, we had a safe house in Vegas. Other places too, I think.
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    My only backing situation was back in 2015 when I had a backer. Everything was between only him and I. I knew of one situation where two friends of mine were backed by the same guy. The backer decided to back a third guy who was friends with my friends. One of my friends was in charge of the new guys backing bankroll and keeping track of what the new guy was playing for the backer. I’m not sure if my friend got a better deal for keeping track of the new horse or not.
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    I'm completely independent. Everything financed by my own bankroll. Full profits (and sometimes losses) for me.

    Of course, I don't card count except when counting my (players) cards
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    Not that anyone asked, but after being around professional gamblers for over 20 years, I would recommend against backing professional gamblers unless there is an extremely high level of trust.

    I think people are split roughly 50/50 between being being basically good or bad. The 50% bad ones will usually appear good, but will stab you in the back the second they think it is in their best interest to.
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    Quote: Wizard

    Not that anyone asked, but after being around professional gamblers for over 20 years, I would recommend against backing professional gamblers unless there is an extremely high level of trust.

    I think people are split roughly 50/50 between being being basically good or bad. The 50% bad ones will usually appear good, but will stab you in the back the second they think it is in their best interest to.

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    I cant remember where i read that 90% of card counters fail.
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    I think you'll find that among the big name poker players, many of them will even buy stakes in each other. Player A buys 33% of Players B and C, Player B does same with A and C, Player C does same with A and B, effectively pooling their results. Great way to reduce variance.

    Of course it opens the door for collusion, but I imagine the really famous ones wouldn't risk their brands by cheating.
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    Quote: Deucekies

    I think you'll find that among the big name poker players, many of them will even buy stakes in each other. Player A buys 33% of Players B and C, Player B does same with A and C, Player C does same with A and B, effectively pooling their results. Great way to reduce variance.

    Of course it opens the door for collusion, but I imagine the really famous ones wouldn't risk their brands by cheating.

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    You mean like Absolute Bet and Ultimate Poker?
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    I cant remember where i read that 90% of card counters fail.

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    In my experience, about 90% of self-proclaimed card counters don't know the basic strategy.
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    Basic strategy is a losing strategy Why waste time memorizing what will still be a losing strategy when we have experts like mdawg, and his disciples who win every trip.
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    September 15th, 2021 at 7:45:30 PM permalink
    Looks interesting, isn't that guy poe dameron from star wars??
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    September 15th, 2021 at 9:08:55 PM permalink
    Quote: Wizard

    Not that anyone asked, but after being around professional gamblers for over 20 years, I would recommend against backing professional gamblers unless there is an extremely high level of trust.

    I think people are split roughly 50/50 between being being basically good or bad. The 50% bad ones will usually appear good, but will stab you in the back the second they think it is in their best interest to.

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    I have found gamblers usually fall in two categories. Some will give you every excuse in the world. Other will pay a debt when promised. Even if they have to hock their car to do it i remember when Colorado casinos opened up with poker rooms
    I used to play in almost every illegal game in town. Mile High club. Pan Club. Fairchilds etc. No of the real low lifes showed up till yeats later
    After Black Friday. That is why I do not play online poker. These guys were not stupid
    They rotated among tables. Had several Ids and just ground out a good edge. No raising with shit but letting a partner know you fold the A so his king high flush was good. Or one had a pair of 6s but one of his partners mucked a 6. Time to muck that pair.
    Takes till the 12th of never to catch them. But a few good pots a night makes all the difference. As for tracking a players style you have no idea who is behind that ID tonight.
    But honest gamblers are just that!
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    April 2nd, 2024 at 7:27:09 AM permalink
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    Wasn't the main point of The Accountant that he was THE ACCOUNTANT to the worlds biggest cartels?
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    I finally saw The Accountant. The lead female character has a casino story — which includes card counting — that I immediately deemed NOT plausible!

    Edit: According to one source, the legal gambling age in Illinois is 18, so perhaps the story IS plausible. But could one win $2,000 with $20 on a nickel machine in say the mid-2000s?
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    April 2nd, 2024 at 4:00:59 PM permalink
    Quote: smoothgrh

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    Wasn't the main point of The Accountant that he was THE ACCOUNTANT to the worlds biggest cartels?
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    I finally saw The Accountant. The lead female character has a casino story — which includes card counting — that I immediately deemed NOT plausible!

    Edit: According to one source, the legal gambling age in Illinois is 18, so perhaps the story IS plausible. But could one win $2,000 with $20 on a nickel machine in say the mid-2000s?
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    The Accountant, with Ben Affleck? I don't remember anything having to do with slots in that movie. Whatever the case, one could easily hit for/win or make 2k playing nickel denomination slots in the 90's - present time. However, I haven't much information regarding Illinois gambling at that time.
    ♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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    April 3rd, 2024 at 1:42:58 PM permalink
    Quote: Wizard

    Poker is one of my weakest areas when it comes to gambling. That said, I would like to discuss one element of The Card Counter.

    The main character travels the mid-Atlantic area, chasing poker tournaments and conventions at casinos where he believes there to be soft play. At one such tournament, he runs into an old acquaintance, Lalinda, who, it is explained, it an agent between investors and professional poker players. She explains how net winnings are split 50/50 between the player and the investors, who may or may not wish to be known. I suppose she travels around to these tournaments to verify the winnings and losings of the players in her "stable."

    No particular question here, just opening it up to discussion. I have heard, many times, of investors backing professional gamblers who are high on skill and low on money. It's usually done on a play by play basis. I guess my question is whether this is so organized at the poker level that there are agents involved between the players and investors?


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    I'm pretty sure there's been some expose` on 2+2 forums about staking poker players and the entire mess around it. Recently Tom Dwan got into some hot water over not paying some debts owed, but to be fair to him some of the debts seems to be quasi-in-limbo with how they were exactly arranged and paid or not paid off. Many of the top 100 poker players in the world share in their buy-ins and wins with many other people for various levels of stake.

    Sadly yes quite a few well known faces and names in the poker world are broke as a joke at any particular time, and basically live at the gratuity of others.
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    April 3rd, 2024 at 5:38:30 PM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: smoothgrh

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    Wasn't the main point of The Accountant that he was THE ACCOUNTANT to the worlds biggest cartels?
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    I finally saw The Accountant. The lead female character has a casino story — which includes card counting — that I immediately deemed NOT plausible!

    Edit: According to one source, the legal gambling age in Illinois is 18, so perhaps the story IS plausible. But could one win $2,000 with $20 on a nickel machine in say the mid-2000s?
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    The Accountant, with Ben Affleck? I don't remember anything having to do with slots in that movie. Whatever the case, one could easily hit for/win or make 2k playing nickel denomination slots in the 90's - present time. However, I haven't much information regarding Illinois gambling at that time.
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    Yes, the 2016 movie with Ben Affleck. The casino story is about 45 seconds of dialogue by the main actress, Anna Kendrick. She says she used card counting and other AP moves to try to buy a $1800 prom dress, and lost all but $40 in her bankroll but hit a $2,000 jackpot on a nickel slot.
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    April 3rd, 2024 at 8:08:40 PM permalink
    Quote: smoothgrh

    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: smoothgrh

    Quote: billryan

    Wasn't the main point of The Accountant that he was THE ACCOUNTANT to the worlds biggest cartels?
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    I finally saw The Accountant. The lead female character has a casino story — which includes card counting — that I immediately deemed NOT plausible!

    Edit: According to one source, the legal gambling age in Illinois is 18, so perhaps the story IS plausible. But could one win $2,000 with $20 on a nickel machine in say the mid-2000s?
    link to original post

    The Accountant, with Ben Affleck? I don't remember anything having to do with slots in that movie. Whatever the case, one could easily hit for/win or make 2k playing nickel denomination slots in the 90's - present time. However, I haven't much information regarding Illinois gambling at that time.
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    Yes, the 2016 movie with Ben Affleck. The casino story is about 45 seconds of dialogue by the main actress, Anna Kendrick. She says she used card counting and other AP moves to try to buy a $1800 prom dress, and lost all but $40 in her bankroll but hit a $2,000 jackpot on a nickel slot.
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    Well a nickel slot doesn't mean spinning for a nickel.

    Most penny slots max spin is $5. So same game on a nickel machine would be $25 max.

    Winning $2K on a $25 spin even twenty years ago waa well within plausibility
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    April 4th, 2024 at 7:05:24 AM permalink
    Yeah, it all checks out. Top prize on one of my early 2000s slots is 10,000 credits. A nickel denomination with max bet of 5 credits per line is a $2,500 jackpot.

    Just seemed like a lot of exposition that didn't ring true during the film.
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