Golden Oldie Moving to Vegas
Quote: kewljWhile that is all well and good, if I was a professional player, as moses tells us he is, thinking of moving to Las Vegas for a number of years, as he also told us, I think I would want to check this out for myself. Moses is retired, or retired from working for other right? Lives in the same state, either a short plane ride or a longer drive away. I would think he would visit Las Vegas and not just for a day or two, but a couple weeks, maybe a month if need be. Stay in an extended stay hotel....not seigle suites but a nice brand name extended stay.. Play some of the games, at different times, including busier weekends and see if there is enough games the caliber and at the limits he wants. Then go home and make your decision.
But the whole process, involved with this thread, doesn't seem like a professional or seriously player contempating such a move. It seems like amateur hour. Or a guy yanking everyone's chain. He just waants to periodically repeat something like "where are all the millionaire blackjack players and where are all the games they play to make millions". :/
Someone with drive would have made the trip already.
Dress up like a cowboy on Rodeo Days? And they will forget? Hell, seeing John Candy trying to be Matt Dillon, they wont stop laughing for a week. And from NYC. You're killing me. 😅😅
I knew this thread would go in many direction. I know KJ has limited education. But not one of you guys can read a spreadsheet?
It's really very simple. There are the A's. Aria got rid of S17 games. Now the B's. No changes. G's. Golden Nugget removed all 3.2 games in the HL area. Hell, I know that much and havent even arrived yet.
You alleged AP Pros dont know your own city?
Palace Station offers green chip on weekends but not 6 deck shoes. Quick to back off green and black chip players. Orleans , the 6 deck games are machine shuffled after every hand.
Now KJ. You dont think I have game? You come on up and pkay me anytime.
Typically, as usual, you will turn this into another KJ drama fest.
A successfull day for you is a trip from your laptop to the unopened bag of chips in the cupboard. Your big ole butt walking up and down the strip dressed as Matt Dillon.Quote: billryanSomeone with drive would have made the trip already.
I dont think so Scooter.
And several different comment made to and about billryan regarding weight and food, I hope are seen as personal insults, because that is how they are meant. I doubt billryan will complain, but I hope the mods recognise what this thread is, an ongoing crusade. It is no coincidence this thread was started on the same day, Oncedear shutdown a different thread that had my name in the title where moses was going on about this same stuff. The guy never gives up. Grow up moses.
Quote: kewljAnd there you have what this thread was really about. It wasn't a player considering a move to Las Vegas asking for help and opinions. It was simply a guy continuing an ongoing crusade against me....one that he has been on for years. Billryan actually comment just that on page 2 of this thread. It was that obvious from the get go.
And several different comment made to and about billryan regarding weight and food, I hope are seen as personal insults, because that is how they are meant. I doubt billryan will complain, but I hope the mods recognise what this thread is, an ongoing crusade. It is no coincidence this thread was started on the same day, Oncedear shutdown a different thread that had my name in the title where moses was going on about this same stuff. The guy never gives up. Grow up moses.
Poor poor KJ. Always the victim. Obviously, doesnt know his own city. Running to the Principal after only being back 2 days from being banned. Put up or ahut up KJ.
Quote: dawinnaatlozinsgood for you!
Good for everyone.
I’m not sure of the purpose other than some sort of self gratification. Ego.
I could understand writing a book, teaching a course…at least those endeavors generate money.
Freely discussing everything you do to beat the casino…maybe it’s me, I’d call that dumb.
I’d prosper and enjoy the gratification of staying silent and ensuring no hiccups surface because of my mouth. I would equate it to Walter White revealing his secrets for making 98% pure meth. Serves no good purpose.
Probably just as well.Quote: kewljdeleted.
I do believe you are correct.Quote: kewljTalk about your run on sentences/paragraph. Hard to even follow along.
Now if I were to say what someone says is a "croc of....", not once but twice, I would be suspended for calling someone a liar.
Quote: OnceDearProbably just as well.
Your silence on the insults is quite troubling. You lecture axel in another thread about veiled insults and allow direct ones.
I can deal with them, or I can narrate. It's been a busy week. Check out the suspension list if you want updates.Quote: billryanYour silence on the insults is quite troubling. You lecture axel in another thread about veiled insults and allow direct ones.
Quote: OnceDearI can deal with them, or I can narrate. It's been a busy week.
Foolish me. I thought you were capable of multi-tasking. It has only been 12 hours.
I'm not paid to multitask.Quote: billryanFoolish me. I thought you were capable of multi-tasking. It has only been 12 hours.
Quote: billryanYour silence on the insults is quite troubling. You lecture axel in another thread about veiled insults and allow direct ones.
Moses got suspended for 1 day for 2 personal insults to billryan? Seriously 1 day?
Reviewed to 2 days. First offence..Quote: kewljMoses got suspended for 1 day for 2 personal insults to billryan? Seriously 1 day?
As to the pot roast issue: Not one of my rulings
Quote: billryanToo bad he didn't call me a pot roast. The last guy who did that to someone got three days.
Where is the insult in being called a pot roast? Almost sounds complementary to me.
Quote: DRichWhere is the insult in being called a pot roast? Almost sounds complementary to me.
You'd have to ask the wizard. Whomever it was addressed to thought it was a slur of some type.
Wrong thread to discuss this, but a member said wake up and smell the pot-roast to AlanM and it was taken as anti semitic.Quote: billryanYou'd have to ask the wizard. Whomever it was addressed to thought it was a slur of some type.
Now if you wish to debate further, please do so in the right thread.
I was hoping we could have a few APs share the secrets of their success when moses gets back from his vacation?
Quote: billryan
I was hoping we could have a few APs share the secrets of their success when moses gets back from his vacation?
Some of us HAVE. I have shared more of what I do and even how I do things (techniques I use that enable me to do what I do) than any other blackjack player on any forum. And look what it has gotten me? Seriously.
As you have pointed out this thread was never about the OP seeking help and advice on playing Las Vegas blackjack after a relocation. Never was! But still I shared a lot of stuff about how I play the game in Las vegas and have acheived longevity. And all I get/got in return was namecalling and doubt.
Others haven't shared in detail what I have, but they have in good faith repeated the fact that yes a player can play xxx limits, play reasonably short sessions, spread play around and make a decent living and each of those players has received the same poo-poo as a response.
So why should anyone bother? The only good I see is maybe some others reading, maybe even at a later time, can find the info useful and beneficial, because for this OP, it was never about that.
Quote: kewljOn playing unrated: Some times I sit down and am asked for a players card. I say no. If asked a second time, I say something like "I don't have it with me and am not going to be here long".or 'I only have a few minutes". So if they insist, I will give them my Id, let them go make a card and when they return and hand me the card, I color in and say, "told you I wasn't going to play long". They made work for themselves for nothing.
It is something that will make you be remembered, which I usually try to avoid. But I have had times, that when I see that same pit person and say, "I am not going to be here long"....they drop it. :). Sometimes I gotta train these folks to do things my way.
You seem to be describing play so small end that:
1) You rarely end up with enough chips that the pit boss cares that you color up or not, or
2) If you do color up, you end up with such small denomination chips in such small aggregate sums that you're able to cash them without having the cage care about where you got the chips.
Given that you describe play at lower end casinos, how small is this play that you're able to win or cash out so little that even these little casinos don't care where the chips came from?
And if you are compelled to keep your play this small, this would seem to handicap severely your betting range.
Quote: WinningatttlossMosses imo just another billythebj kid yea ki know what I'm talking about. If you really wanted to help would have grabbed him by the hand. Like you did your brother and teach him in real life, how many mosses and Billy's will there be Bc of the kj's? Your to blame for there ruin kj
I am supposed to grab everyone by the hand and teach them everything i do like I did my brother? Why would I do that? Every Las vegas card counter IS competition for me and if over run, could result in conditions tightening. I am not looking to create an army mimicking KJ play.
I simply share some things and point some players in the right direction, just as others did for me. If you or anyone else can't find some of that direction on your own without someone holding your hand and spoon feeding you, that is on you, and sort of proves you weren't really cut out for it anyway. Take responsibilty for yourself.
Quote: MDawgYou seem to be describing play so small end that:
1) You rarely end up with enough chips that the pit boss cares that you color up or not, or
2) If you do color up, you end up with such small denomination chips in such small aggregate sums that you're able to cash them without having the cage care about where you got the chips.
Given that you describe play at lower end casinos, how small is this play that you're able to win or cash out so little that even these little casinos don't care where the chips came from?
And if you are compelled to keep your play this small, this would seem to handicap severely your betting range.
By the terms of the agreement nogotiated by you, and being enforced of me, by Mr Shackleford, you are not supposed to be quoting, nor addressing me, just the same as I was recently suppended for 30 days for addressing you.
Now if you would like to request Wizard to end that arrangement, I will be happy to respectfully try to engage with you and answer any question you might have that I can answer.
Up to you if you wish to address it. It's not an antagonistic post and doesn't address anything from the Adventures of MDawg. <<Kewlj will stay out of this thread. He may not comment on it in other threads.>>
Quote: MDawgThe agreement stated: <<If Mdawg posts in another thread, Kewlj may address that post only wherever it may be located.>>
Up to you if you wish to address it.
Well I am not engaging with you under those terms. The restrictions placed on me that you negotiated, are unfair and have never been put on any other member except me (for the second time). If you want to engage with me, and have respectful dialogue like adults, you are going to have to make such arrangements with Wizard.
Quote: MDawgYou seem to be describing play so small end that:
1) You rarely end up with enough chips that the pit boss cares that you color up or not, or
2) If you do color up, you end up with such small denomination chips in such small aggregate sums that you're able to cash them without having the cage care about where you got the chips.
Given that you describe play at lower end casinos, how small is this play that you're able to win or cash out so little that even these little casinos don't care where the chips came from?
And if you are compelled to keep your play this small, this would seem to handicap severely your betting range.
i for one respect kJ and believes his stories and exploits to be true. i can't say that for all posters.
Quote: TDVegasNot really sure why any advantage player, especially a card counter….would share his knowledge, his experience, his methodology of going under the radar on an open, public forum. I would probably question sharing it even in private. I realize there is anonymity on forums to a certain extent but can’t fathom why someone would go overboard to make sure everyone knew “yeah, it’s me, I’m that guy beating the casino”.
I’m not sure of the purpose other than some sort of self gratification. Ego.
I could understand writing a book, teaching a course…at least those endeavors generate money.
Freely discussing everything you do to beat the casino…maybe it’s me, I’d call that dumb.
I’d prosper and enjoy the gratification of staying silent and ensuring no hiccups surface because of my mouth. I would equate it to Walter White revealing his secrets for making 98% pure meth. Serves no good purpose.
Since no one responded to this post I decided to give my own opinion on it. Short and sweet I believe the above quote is the best post in the entire thread.
Quote: BoSoxSince no one responded to this post I decided to give my own opinion on it. Short and sweet I believe the above quote is the best post in the entire thread.
Interesting. So 2 lines that stand out to me from that TDVegas post are the following:
I could understand writing a book, teaching a course…at least those endeavors generate money.
Freely discussing everything you do to beat the casino…maybe it’s me, I’d call that dumb.
So someone sharing some of what he does for free is "dumb" and unacceptable, but if the same person does so for a financial return, in a book or seminar, that is acceptable?
5 years ago, I had a deal for a book with a publisher here in Las Vegas, where I was going to share my story, and some of what I do and just how I do it. With my writing ability, it would have kept some editor VERY busy, but that is another matter.. :/
The deal fell through because I wanted to make nothing from the project. The publisher had no problem with that. But I also wanted no one else to make much much money, as little as possible, to keep the cost extremly low. I basically wanted to give away the book, and specifically requested a free kindle version. As you can imagine, the publisher (and I suspect most know who I am talking about) had a problem with that.
So in the end, I decided I would just keep sharing some things, whatever I felt I could, in bits and peices like I have done. I consider it giving back a lttle.
So TDvegas and I guess BoSox, object to the fact that I share some things for free. But had I written a book and profited, that would have been acceptable?
Strange.
Quote: kewljI don't think all that much of guys running seminars and bootcamps (fairly expensive) profiting from information that should be free.
On the one hand, I agree. Shouldn't be getting rich off it.
On the other, the instructor shouldn't have to pay to teach the student. Costs should be recovered from the person benefitting.
There is a somewhat valid argument for gatekeeping; if you can't come up with the attendance fees, you probably aren't in a position to benefit from the seminar, and possibly shouldn't be considering professional gambling as a career path.
Quote: kewlj
So TDvegas and I guess BoSox, object to the fact that I share some things for free.
Speaking only for myself my objecting to the information that you share is in the past tense, my point of view has completely changed on this as now I actually think you are helping the AP community with all your disclosures about your life journey. As we both know a very large majority of the new people reading your story will FAIL "for numerous reasons" in all their hopes and dreams of turning out like you. So bottom line you are supplying plenty of necessary pigeons to make the casinos and the real AP's happy.
Quote: kewlj
But had I written a book and profited, that would have been acceptable?
Strange.
Nothing strange about it, yes, it would be absolutely acceptable to me for the above reason. Not to mention I would not have to buy it or neither endorse it in any way. Further explained, let's just say that I do not think that your shit is ice cream.
Quote: BoSoxAs we both know a very large majority of the new people reading your story will FAIL "for numerous reasons" in all their hopes and dreams of turning out like you. So bottom line you are supplying plenty of necessary pigeons to make the casinos and the real AP's happy.
I COMPLETELY reject this notion. Me sharing my story, my journey does not make me responsible for anyone else's decisions, actions or results. So happens my story isn't all that unique. There are about a dozen players I know of with fairly similar beginings, starting out about the same time, early 2000's and with insignificant bankrolls of 10k or less. Many of these have been featured on GWAE over the past few years. Are they too responsible for anyone that heard those episodes and tried and failed?
I honestly didn't even know I had that effect, until a former member of this forum, moved from the east coast to Las Vegas about 4 years ago. He specifically said I was an influence on him and that surprised me. I have never encouraged ANYONE to follow in my footsteps and try to do what I do, and that includes my own brother. When he moved to Las Vegas after graduation college, and said he wanted to play blackjack, I tried to talk him out of it and put off teaching him anything for a whole year before finally giving in.
And I have specifically said many times that blackjack card counting really no longer works well as a primary means of support. I think the best application is a part tuime, supplemental things and the ideal situation, someone retired with retirement income to supplement. Tell me you haven't seen me write that numerous times.
So I reject that I am responsible for anyone's decisions and frankly find that suggestion about supplying pigeons rather insulting and especially so coming from you. Very disappointing. :(
Quote: kewlj
I COMPLETELY reject this notion. Me sharing my story, my journey does not make me responsible for anyone else's decisions, actions or results.
So I reject that I am responsible for anyone's decisions and frankly find that suggestion about supplying pigeons rather insulting and especially so coming from you. Very disappointing. :(
I did not think you would ever encourage anyone to attempt to follow in your footsteps, at least directly. However, indirectly, I do not think you are even aware of traffic that you could possibly have brought to a website. The reason you may not be aware is that you are too wrapped up in yourself "and all your repeated posting thoughts" you somewhere forgot that there is also a membership involved.
Quote: kewlSo TDvegas and I guess BoSox, object to the fact that I share some things for free. But had I written a book and profited, that would have been acceptable?
Strange.
I said I could understand it…from a point of view that the AP player might have been identified as such and can no longer ply his trade. So, he turns to writing or teaching. For pay.
I stand by my words. I find the idea of any active AP player sharing his “wares” (knowledge) on a forum or open format such as this ridiculously dumb. If it’s rooted in ego, so be it. I don’t believe there is a valid reason to do it beyond that and that reason has no intrinsic value to the AP player and can only potentially cause him problems. If he’s any good, he likely doesn’t need to share it in private either. Just go do.
Three people can keep a secret…if two are dead
-Benjamin Franklin
Lots of people like to brag about their gambling exploits. We have one thread dedicated to it. As far as an AP player goes…it has, IMO, no useful purpose to the player other than self promotion (ego).
You will just end up having two addictions.😀Quote: kewljMaybe it is time for me to stop forum particiaption and fill my online time with watching porn or something. :/
For the most part I have to agree with this.Quote: TDVegas
Lots of people like to brag about their gambling exploits. We have one thread dedicated to it. As far as an AP player goes…it has, IMO, no useful purpose to the player other than self promotion (ego).
I thought he inspired ZenKing or something like that?Quote: BoSoxI did not think you would ever encourage anyone to attempt to follow in your footsteps, at least directly. However, indirectly, I do not think you are even aware of traffic that you could possibly have brought to a website. The reason you may not be aware is that you are too wrapped up in yourself "and all your repeated posting thoughts" that you forgot that there is also a membership involved.
KJ?
Not today.Quote: Winneratlosingzps to admin stop silencing me =/
