moses
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:10:46 AM permalink
But first some questions:

Are there $50 min. bet tables? If so, about how many casinos offer same? How many per casino?

Double Deck: My understanding (from reading forums) is one cannot go back and forth between 1 and 2 hands. Is this true? How deep is Pen on a $50 min. table?

Shoes: How deep is Pen on $50 min bet tables? Would a $50 to $600 spread stay under radar? Is going back and forth between 1 and 2 hands allowed? Is $20k cash enough to get through one shoe?

How many casinos is doable in a single day rotation?

Not being a shoe player, my plan would be to start with fresh shoes, no more than 2 players.

My exit point would be -57% (beyond normal negative). Logic being. Why sit through this negative deck when there is a positive deck waiting for me to find it?

I cant count two tables. But I can do a percentage count on 6 decks. Less than 5 people in the US understand this way of counting.

There would be 4 increments with the bulk of large bets coming from the 3rd increment. 1 hand at $50. 2 hands at $100 each
2 hands at $300 or $400 each. 4th is rare. 2 hands at $600 each.

Enough for now. There may be more posts before answers. As questions come to mind I jot them down before I forget.
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moses
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July 19th, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM permalink
So one successful player is at it 200 to 250 days a year. Makes between $80k and $100k annually. Has done it for several consecutive years without fail. Spread is $25 to $300 or $450 depending on casino tolerance and to avoid EITS scrutiny at the sight of a pink chip. According to him, many others are doing this and making even more.

My objective is to profit $2mil in 10 Years. It may require relocating. If so, I could play 300 days easy. Been there. Done that. Regardless, my spread would need to double his.

Dont carry, win, or lose $10k in any casino in one day. Avoid structuring as MDawg puts it. Bosox points out one doesnt want to be forced to leave a positive shoe due to lack of funds.

Therefore, large bets will need to be adjusted. Go 60% in the 1st half. 59% in the 2nd half of the deck. 57% creates too much volatility. As does HILO.

Also, stay away from dives where the pit boss and bartender faint at the sight of a green or black chip. It would be nice to cross those off the list before driving there to prospect.
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July 19th, 2021 at 1:27:23 PM permalink
Haven't the casinos put the brakes on those who think they can just arrive in Vegas, plant themselves and pull down $200,000 or more per year card counting?

Between multiple decks, unfavorable rules, long cuts, betting spreads and unfavorable odds, they can now also spot a card counter like a cheap hooker…not to mention facial recognition technology and databases to identify APs.

Plant yourself at $50 or $100 table and count cards. It took them a few days to tell Dana White and Ben Affleck to pound salt and it wasn’t their faces that did it. Their “method of “play” gets spotted in minutes.

I would assume once one single casino has ID’d you….they all get your picture.

What then?
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July 19th, 2021 at 1:31:49 PM permalink
Moses – real quick – I didn’t mean to say that “structuring” was something that would be thrown necessarily in the face of a blackjack card counter. Just that possibly, a person who is trying hard to stay under that 10K / 24 hour cash in / cash out might be inadvertently guilty of that. Or that a casino might try to pressure an anonymous player into identifying himself, under guise of their need to file a CTR or SAR.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
moses
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July 19th, 2021 at 1:38:39 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Moses – real quick – I didn’t mean to say that “structuring” was something that would be thrown necessarily in the face of a blackjack card counter. Just that possibly, a person who is trying hard to stay under that 10K / 24 hour cash in / cash out might be inadvertently guilty of that. Or that a casino might try to pressure an anonymous player into identifying himself, under guise of their need to file a CTR or SAR.

Still I think it's a barometer worth considering. The successful one gets backed off and just keeps going back. That would scare me. I did it once and found myself surrounded.

Putting together a game plan. Your input helps a great deal. Thanks.
moses
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July 19th, 2021 at 1:42:46 PM permalink
TDVegas: That was my thought. Evidently, Im wrong.

But I intend to find out. Get in, get paid, get out, dont get greedy. There are enough casinos to play quanity hands as opposed to quality. No?

Hmmm. What if I do both?🤔
TDVegas
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July 19th, 2021 at 2:33:48 PM permalink
Quote: moses

TDVegas: That was my thought. Evidently, Im wrong.

But I intend to find out. Get in, get paid, get out, dont get greedy. There are enough casinos to play quanity hands as opposed to quality. No?

Hmmm. What if I do both?🤔


The problem is once ONE casino figures it out…they all have.

I’m also of the mindset that any attempt at structuring, not winning too much, trying to stay under the radar, etc….the casinos have seen every and any tactic. The cat always catches the mouse…eventually.
moses
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July 19th, 2021 at 3:42:37 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

The problem is once ONE casino figures it out…they all have.

I’m also of the mindset that any attempt at structuring, not winning too much, trying to stay under the radar, etc….the casinos have seen every and any tactic. The cat always catches the mouse…eventually.

I never under estimate the EITS. They know, they always know. Question is. Do they care? Not so much if I stay within casino tolerance.

Problem is there are so many forum millionaires socking it to Vegas blackjack tables. Im not sure of their tolerances.

I mean 35 to 50 backoffs in a few years. And still be welcomed back at most tabkes? Amazing. What nice people they all must be.🤔
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:35:53 PM permalink
Is there an updated list of casinos that still offer blackjack in Vegas. Roughly 50% of casinos have stopped offering the game in Reno. Yet attendance has more than tripled since covid.

LV Bear used to put out a list.
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July 20th, 2021 at 9:13:35 AM permalink
Where have all the big time mega winning blackjack players gone?

$80k to $100k annually wouldnt be worth a lifestyle change for me. If I ask a casino to up the minimum bet from $25 to $50 is like putting a target on my back. No. I dont get backed off. But I dont get a fair game either. This is worse.

My experience is the spread is based on table minimum as opposed to the minimum you're actually playing.

In order to reach my financial objective I will need to play $50 min. tables.

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