Golden Oldie Moving to Vegas
normally when someone says this sucks means you suck well i guess i suck and id stick out like like a sore thumb i do wonder why doesn't casino track everyones action chips that enter the table and chips that leave the table??? maybe you know the secret i dont i also heard awhile back they have chip detection as well
i would love to hear Colin jones comment about a player going 10+ years of going undetected when his last video claims a counter burns out average 115hours of play time
This post doesnt make sense. Who is "he" that you refer to?Quote: billryanBecause he is the problem here?
I'll take you at your word.Quote: dawinnaatlozinsFINE KJ, i will shut up about your creditability now and forever,
Hmmm. I dont think so Scooter. 😄 My achilles heel will probably be the strip. I dont like crowds.
IF there are so many "Pros," where are they? Updating the Blackjack Survey should be easy peasy. It took me about 5 minutes to update Northern Nevada and provide info.
Nonetheless, there is still a job to be done. Perhaps for my own peace of mind. Dont worry Billryan, I will let you know of any casinos offering upcoming pie eating contests.😉
Quote: dawinnaatlozinsFINE KJ, i will shut up about your creditability now and forever, everyone seems to back you up while i call you out, you very well could be the Magnus Carlsen of vegas blackjack playing undetected with chatting up the table and not sticking out like a card counter, just because you can do it and i can't doesnt mean it can be done and im still entitled to my beliefs as you are i did mention could be 10 pros out there that MIGHT pull it off maybe you are one of them question now because can i do it? no can Mosses do it? thats for him to decide maybe he can keep the count in his head chat up the the table and make no errors and go undetected for years on end.
normally when someone says this sucks means you suck well i guess i suck and id stick out like like a sore thumb i do wonder why doesn't casino track everyones action chips that enter the table and chips that leave the table??? maybe you know the secret i dont i also heard awhile back they have chip detection as well
i would love to hear Colin jones comment about a player going 10+ years of going undetected when his last video claims a counter burns out average 115hours of play time
Do you think security is sitting around watching everyone in the casino and scanning them against known counters? If I buy into a game for an average amount, is the pit going to suspect anything? A few hands goes by and the count I have wonged into has gotten better. I push out my big bet, which hopefully is not the biggest bet out there. Does the pit stop the game? Do they call upstairs after one bet? I win and leave the bet out there. Win or lose, I leave. By the time they have eyes on the table I'm gone . What are the chances I'll get backed off? What are the chances the pit remembers this three months from now when I play again in his pit? Thirty casinos, three shifts per casino. If my big bet is $250 and my goal is to win one big bet per casino per shift per three month rotation, that's $90,000 right there. Hit some out of town places once a quarter and you can milk the cow for a long time. Pick and choose your play. Actions that will draw attention at one time may escape attention at another.
MGM security on a Friday night with a boxing match may not be giving the BJ tables much thought.
Be a pig and you'll end up on a scrap heap.
Can it be done? Absolutely. Why don't more people do it? Because most card counters that put in the work to succeed discover there are far easier ways to shear the casino than playing hours with a half a percent edge.
Many of the APs I met in Vegas started out playing video poker or blackjack but moved on to other means.
I dont give a thought to any of that stuff Billryan just described.
I play my game. I dont assume Im fooling anyone. I assume everyone knows what Im doing.. It's being acountable to myself. I play within casino tolerance. If they dont want to play? Then we dont play.
If I did it every day or even a few times a week t the same pit, I'd worry about it, but pit people have a lot more on their minds than a hit and run one timer. Wear cowboy shirt when the rodeo is in town, and get a bunch of laminate convention badges you stuff in your shirt. Be the cat, not the mouse.
Quote: billryanI see it the opposite way. Arriving with chips and leaving with chips hopefully gives the impression that I'm a typical casino newbie wandering around the joint looking to lose my money.
If I did it every day or even a few times a week t the same pit, I'd worry about it, but pit people have a lot more on their minds than a hit and run one timer. Wear cowboy shirt when the rodeo is in town, and get a bunch of laminate convention badges you stuff in your shirt. Be the cat, not the mouse.
O brother. Let the dealer do her job.
What you see. Is what you get.
So if there is a Burger King promotion, are you going to dress up like a Big Whopper?
Quote: mosesGood post Bosox. There is a saying "the best athletes train, even when no one else is watching."
I dont give a thought to any of that stuff Billryan just described.
I play my game. I dont assume Im fooling anyone. I assume everyone knows what Im doing.. It's being acountable to myself. I play within casino tolerance. If they dont want to play? Then we dont play.
You supposedly started this asking about conditions in Vegas. Then when I tell you exactly how it is possible you say you'll ignore what I said and just do what you always have. Thank you for proving my point.
Quote: billryanYou supposedly started this asking about conditions in Vegas. Then when I tell you exactly how it is possible you say you'll ignore what I said and just do what you always have. Thank you for proving my point.
Im above board. When there was 5 casinos dtown it walk to each one. The one pit boss would glare at me everytime Id walk thru. He'd say "that's the guy who goes from casino to casino." So one day after I passed by, he said it again.
This time I turn around and try to ask as nice as possible, "have I broken some kind of unwritten rule or insulted you."
He replies, "no,we just dont like the way you play."
Really,. How do I play? He walks over to his computer moniter and says, "well it says right here that you spread to 3 hands."
How many times have you watched me play?
More than he could count.
In all the time, have you ever seen me spread to 3 hands?
No.
Could it be someone told me to stop doing it. So I did?
He erased the notes. Everytime after whether walking thru or sitting down to play we'd say hello or wave.
Now if I were walking thru one day in a cowboy get up and the next in a bowling shirt? Who is fooling who?
Perception and reality. You want respect. You give respect.
Quote: billryanYou supposedly started this asking about conditions in Vegas. Then when I tell you exactly how it is possible you say you'll ignore what I said and just do what you always have. Thank you for proving my point.
Exactly! These guys all do that. They ask something, you answer and share what you think based on your experience and they completely ignore what you just said and revert back to their predermined (often wrong) assumptions.
Now there seems to be a lot of quoting of Colin Jones and I am assuming that is where this number that there are 10 successful card counters today comes from. LoL. Nonsense.
I have nothing against Colin Jones. Don't really know him. Only had a couple interactions with him. But his approach as a member of the church team was night and day from what I do. They were playing a slash and burn style, play very agressively, get as much as you can for as long as yoiu can. That type of thing. I am about longevity and as such, every aspect of my play is geared toward longevity. Think of it as a sheep. Colin and other slash and burn players slaughter the sheep and eat for the winter. I shear the sheep every year. Call that the slaughter vs shear mentality. Another anology would be the apple tree, the slash and burn guys chop down the apple tree and have wood to build something one time. I eat the apples for many years.
So the cute little anologies aside, Colin and guys like him were slash and burn players, getting what they could as long as they could and then after whatever period, they write books, run boot camps, or "apprentice" sites teaching for a fee. I wouldn't expect this kind of player to understand the milking (the cow is another good analogy) of a player playing for longevity.
So am I to assume this dawinnaatiozins character, hiding behind multiple names, is a blackjack apprentice bootcapm disciple?
Does it matter?
Learn their toletances. Play within them. Take what they give me.
Quote: billryan"So am I to assume this dawinnaatiozins character, hiding behind multiple names, is a blackjack apprentice bootcapm disciple?"
Does it matter?
No, not really. I am just so tired of the dishonesty and trolling. Makes me wonder why any legit player bothers. And I guess that is why it seems fewer and fewer do.
I learned so much from so many other players sharing their experiences and thought, professional players, recreational players, higher limit, red chip players. You were among that group. And that was only 10-12 years ago. Now a days everything is trolling and trying to discredit everyone. It is sad really.
People now actually ask for advice and then not only ignore it, but try to discredit it. ???
Quote: billryanYou supposedly started this asking about conditions in Vegas. Then when I tell you exactly how it is possible you say you'll ignore what I said and just do what you always have. Thank you for proving my point.
Prove your point? You cant even speak to the Blackjack Survey.
If you were a huntin dog. You couldnt find your own food dish.
Quote: BoSoxRegarding Kewlj opinion of sometimes keeping a chip inventory to help cut down on pit interactions, I do not agree with the way he does this. Specifically doing this while playing very short sessions. I am of the opinion that doing this causes as much harm "possibly more" than any benefit that he thinks he is getting. Sometimes he also leaves or changes tables "possibly counting two tables" without a color up, and this also causes more WORK for the pit . Why is that? First, because it is the job of the pit to keep a rough account of the dealer's rack. Another problem is when a player plays very short sessions that session can often be referred to "regardless of win or loss" by the pit as hitting and running which I believe draws attention when combined with arriving with chips and also leaving with chips. In actuality a player who does all these moves in very short sessions I believe causes more of a reason for the pit for future remembrances of the individual.
I don't know anything about blackjack. But listening to this:
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/podcast-former-surveillance-operator-junior-part-2/
led me to think that mid-level counters are often ignored and that surveillance has better uses for their time and energy. The person interviewed seemed pretty clear that mid-level counters were about the lowest of priorities. He kind of shrugs them off at several points in the interview as something not very concerning. A waste of time.
I was also wondering -- in general, unless someone is specifically cheating, doesn't casino management feel like the action context of casinos will get the money back in the end? You know -- Stu Ungar wins tons playing poker and blows it on sports betting. Phil Ivey or T.J.Cloutier blow it on craps. Somebody who wins at one thing will, eventually, succumb to the action bug, so some mid-level counter winning small amounts is likely to feed it back via machine play or other table games in larger and larger increments over time. I could see that as an unstated general attitude, maybe even call it a strategy, by casino management. I mean, how many uber disciplined gamblers really exist?
Quote: mosesLearn their toletances. Play within them. Take what they give me.
Moses, this is exactly what I do. Each year I reset my bankroll to 100k to start. Should I lose that, I could replenish with another 100k at least once from savings. Never had to. Never have come close. BUT I COULD. So I have a substantial bankroll. Let's call it 200k, That means I could play a max bet of several thousand dollars and still be playing a very safe RoR. I could spread $300 to $3000! But that is not what is tolerated. Not for long. I would get 6 months maybe a year and then be I don't know running a "bootcamp" ??? :(
So I play what is tolerated. And I have learned what is and isn't tolerated at different casinos and different times. THAT is how you acheive longevity and are able to play for years.
As for Vegas, I don't think it is right for you and what you want and are willing to do. That is not a "dis" to you, just not a good match. I don't think you will last long nor acheive what you hope to. But that is your call. I just tried to provide information and answer some questions. And now I am almost sorry I did.
Quote: redietzI don't know anything about blackjack. But listening to this:
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/podcast-former-surveillance-operator-junior-part-2/
led me to think that mid-level counters are often ignored and that surveillance has better uses for their time and energy. The person interviewed seemed pretty clear that mid-level counters were about the lowest of priorities. He kind of shrugs them off at several points in the interview as something not very concerning. A waste of time.
I was also wondering -- in general, unless someone is specifically cheating, doesn't casino management feel like the action context of casinos will get the money back in the end? You know -- Stu Ungar wins tons playing poker and blows it on sports betting. Phil Ivey or T.J.Cloutier blow it on craps. Somebody who wins at one thing will, eventually, succumb to the action bug, so some mid-level counter winning small amounts is likely to feed it back via machine play or other table games in larger and larger increments over time. I could see that as an unstated general attitude, maybe even call it a strategy, by casino management. I mean, how many uber disciplined gamblers really exist?
Of course they are. The few sweatshops are well known and even they can be fun to play with. There are a few new pit people who think it should be their mission to catch counters but so what. Even if they get suspicious, it'll be months before you see them again.
I agree. I have serious doubts about succeeding. For one thing, I have to become on offensive player after being forced to play defensively for almost a decade.
The one thing in my favor is the ability to perform a percentage count over 6 decks. But man, it's going to take some work. No reason to start until I visit all those damn casinos and see if it's still worth the challenge.
get through the math okay what about detection? i can't do it i live on east coast not mobile to travel, it doesn't mean Mosses can't do it, if he does move to vegas hows he going to avoid detection casinos aren't stupid (well some are) but if you are unlucky like me will be caught, get caught once all it takes for them to spread your name through out the casinos of the area. so don't get caught at all one slip could be your last if they nail you as a CC. apparently KJ seems to know everything before moving to vegas knowing the tolerance level, know play time, knowing what casinos to steer clear from, wow making it sound like 1 wrong step like stepping on a landmine! boom your flyered! but yea back to KJ he seems to know best pen"s best games know which pit bosses are sharp how did he know which casino to attack most/least? your going in blinded fold Mosses yet KJ knows the path but not divulging his secrets to u =/
I walk up to say a $25 min game with maybe 6 green chips in hand. Just enough to place some minimum wagers, maybe up to my first real jump in wager, $100. If I happen to have more chips from that casino I may have $200-$300 more in chips my pocket. That way if I lose a bit, I can just grab a few more and keep playing. But I almost never have enough to be playing from that chip inventory when the count has gotten good enough to max bet. By that time, I have to buy in and do have interaction with pit.
But think of this scenario: I sit down at the shuffle, with my 6 green chips in hand. Pit guy is doing something at another table. There is no need to call him for a buy in. I am "in" the game with no pit interaction. The count stays neutral or slightly positive, I win some, lose some. Shoe ends. Shuffle point. I have shown nothing of a spread, so I continue. Second shoe after a few rounds count goes negative. That is an exit trigger. I say "thank you" scoop up my 6, 8, 10 chips and walk away. No need for a color up. I entered, played and exited all without a pit interaction. And nothing about that session, the enterance or exit would draw any attention. Why would it?
That's not a rotation. Toying with sweatshops is a waste of time and eventually bite you in the ass. While you're in their screwing around playing Clint Eastwood at a $5 table.Quote: billryanOf course they are. The few sweatshops are well known and even they can be fun to play with. There are a few new pit people who think it should be their mission to catch counters but so what. Even if they get suspicious, it'll be months before you see them again.
You could be competing at a $50 table if you have any game at all.
Plus now that pimply faced pit boss is now a dealer at big casino. You think he wont rat you out to gain favor? Wrong again Scooter.
Quote: redietzI don't know anything about blackjack. But listening to this:
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/podcast-former-surveillance-operator-junior-part-2/
led me to think that mid-level counters are often ignored and that surveillance has better uses for their time and energy. The person interviewed seemed pretty clear that mid-level counters were about the lowest of priorities. He kind of shrugs them off at several points in the interview as something not very concerning. A waste of time.
Apparently, you did not listen to the podcast properly. The interview was given by a person who just retired from a major casino on the strip, a place where KJ for the most part avoids. Casinos off-strip go by completely different tolerances than the mega joints. Better stay with your sports betting business.
Quote: dawinnaatlozinsapparently KJ seems to know everything before moving to vegas knowing the tolerance level, know play time, knowing what casinos to steer clear from,
See you don't know anything about me and are just making assumptions and making stuff up and I resent that.
I moved to Las vegas in December 2009. I had made 5 visit to Las Vegas prior to moving, the last one in the summer of 2009, July and August, I already knew I would be relocating. That trip was 6 weeks. I stayed at a boarding house type place directly behind El Cortez, called the Ogden House, not to be confused with the highrise "the Ogden" a block away. The Ogden House is no more. It is now the building that is the Cabana Suites of El Cortez.
So that trip was about STARTING to learn about Las Vegas, what places tolerated what ect. Now of course, I didn't learn everything I needed to know in those 6 weeks. After I moved, first several years I had some backoffs. 6-8 a year for a couple years. Trial and error. That is how you learn and find out what is tolerated and when you have stepped outside what is tolerated.. And then the backoffs started to decline.
So don't give me this crap that you are giving me. I devised a plan specifically for Vegas and the large number of playable games and what was tolerated and what wasn't, learning from my mistakes in Atlantic City where I wore out my welcome. And I worked hard at this. And frankly, I still work hard at it. My longevity hasn't come easily. It isn't some fluke. I didn't get lucky. I work at it!
Quote: mosesThat's not a rotation. Toying with sweatshops is a waste of time and eventually bite you in the ass. While you're in their screwing around playing Clint Eastwood at a $5 table.
You could be competing at a $50 table if you have any game at all.
Plus now that pimply faced pit boss is now a dealer at big casino. You think he wont rat you out to gain favor? Wrong again Scooter.
As you evidently know more about Vegas than the people who play there, what was the purpose of this thread?
I don't think I've ever encountered a pitboss turned dealer, except for a few dual rate fellows in Laughlin. While I suppose they may exist in Vegas, I certainly wouldn't put that on my top 1001 concerns.
Definately blind folded for now Daw. KJ doesnt owe me anything. But if it were reversed.
There are 24 casinos on LV Bears February 2019. Now Billryan can go check out Harrahs if he wants. But Im telling you. That building is empty. Want me to go check again?
For a polished player like a KJ. He only needs to visit GSR, Peppermill, Atlantis, The Nugget,. El Dorado and Silver Legacy are an escalator ride away from each other.
Billryan can drive out to Western Village if he wants. Good luck playing at tables that no longer exists.
It would be nice to have an update of Vegas.
Quote: mosesDaw'writes: Your going in blinded fold Mosses yet KJ knows the path but not divulging his secrets to u =/
Definately blind folded for now Daw. KJ doesnt owe me anything. But if it were reversed.
There are 24 casinos on LV Bears February 2019. Now Billryan can go check out Harrahs if he wants. But Im telling you. That building is empty. Want me to go check again?
For a polished player like a KJ. He only needs to visit GSR, Peppermill, Atlantis, The Nugget,. El Dorado and Silver Legacy are an escalator ride away from each other.
Billryan can drive out to Western Village if he wants. Good luck playing at tables that no longer exists.
It would be nice to have an update of Vegas.
I don’t know how many times it needs to be repeated but if you’re serious just book a $50 flight and rent a car for two days, no one is going to do everything for you and anything they could tell you anyway isn’t ever going to be good enough for you.
Quote: billryanAs you evidently know more about Vegas than the people who play there, what was the purpose of this thread?
I don't think I've ever encountered a pitboss turned dealer, except for a few dual rate fellows in Laughlin. While I suppose they may exist in Vegas, I certainly wouldn't put that on my top 1001 concerns.
Not Vegas. But Im certain I know more about people than you. You said young pit boss. Of course a pit boss will exit a sweat shop for higher pay and tips at a large casino offering benefits..
Quote: mcallister3200There are dual rates all over the place including LV. There’s a couple locations out west in locations where they keep their tips and dealers make well more than the floor (well, they do if you’ve ever worked for D. Stevens too) that most dealers are dual rates because you’re essentially forced too.
I pretty much only paid attention to pit people if they paid attention to me and I've never noticed that in Vegas. Its possible I never noticed as it wasn't a concern.
Quote: billryanAs you evidently know more about Vegas than the people who play there, what was the purpose of this thread?
I don't think I've ever encountered a pitboss turned dealer, except for a few dual rate fellows in Laughlin. While I suppose they may exist in Vegas, I certainly wouldn't put that on my top 1001 concerns.
There are many dealer in LV who are only supervisors at an off strip or downtown property and are a dealer at a strip property. I would agree on the list of things to concern yourself about it’s pretty inconsequential, just something I’ve noticed or something you notice when you’re scouting for specific dealers for whatever reason.
You think you can cover 75 casinos in 2 days? I dont expect everyone to do everything. I dont need to be tols how to handle a pit boss for crissake. Or what to do in a sweat shop.Quote: mcallister3200I don’t know how many times it needs to be repeated but if you’re serious just book a $50 flight and rent a car for two days, no one is going to do everything for you and anything they could tell you anyway isn’t ever going to be good enough for you.
But the fact no one can make heads or tails of the outdated blackjack survey makes one wonder if there isnt an HIA pandemic in Vegas.
Quote: mosesYou think you can cover 75 casinos in 2 days?
In how many states?
Quote: BoSoxApparently, you did not listen to the podcast properly. The interview was given by a person who just retired from a major casino on the strip, a place where KJ for the most part avoids. Casinos off-strip go by completely different tolerances than the mega joints. Better stay with your sports betting business.
While I enjoyed the podcast very much, and Junior was very knowledgable, he mostly talked about surveillance in regards to advantage players, because THAT was the audiance he was dealing with. But any surveiellance guy I have been lucky enough to talk with has said advantage players are somewhat low on the list and card counters, very low among that subset. While Junior didn't talk about much else, every surveilance guy I have spoken with lists theft as one of the top concerns, and something I found surprising the first time I heard it, but now makes sense, theft by dealers and employees, as one of the top priorities. They are watching their employees more than the players! LoL.
Now that said, keep in mind Junior was employed at a Top, high end Strip location. So AP's they might be dealing with are different, higher end AP's playing higher stakes, Even well financed card counters, or card counter teams, max betting thousands. So that would be a higher priority than most places. For most places, the card counters they see, my stakes or lower, are pretty low on the priority list. I would say, you almost have to be "in your face" about it, or just severely overplay the location.
Vegas. Geezous. If you can do it in two weeks. You must me a Flash.🤔Quote: billryanIn how many states?
Quote: mcallister3200There are many dealer in LV who are only supervisors at an off strip or downtown property and are a dealer at a strip property. I would agree on the list of things to concern yourself about it’s pretty inconsequential, just something I’ve noticed or something you notice when you’re scouting for specific dealers for whatever reason.
I pay less attention to the dealer than I do to my fellow players, which is as little as possible. Unless a dealer is doing something annoying, is stunningly beautiful, or is from NY I no longer care. It will be months before I'm back and odds are I never see them again.
NY? . That explains it.
it sure would be nice tho wouldn't it a fellow ap helping another fellow ap showing the ropes but alas not meant to be =/
can't blame em tho if i did all that work and hand over my knowledge free of charge id feel like a sucker
Quote: dawinnaatlozinsYEa KJ knows but hes not going to hand you the blue prints Moses, hes going to keep his secrets to himself hes not going to tell you oh dont go to that casino or dont bet that much at that casino or any of that crap your gonna find out on your own
it sure would be nice tho wouldn't it a fellow ap helping another fellow ap showing the ropes but alas not meant to be =/
can't blame em tho if i did all that work and hand over my knowledge free of charge id feel like a sucker
When I moved to Vegas, I approached an AP I knew slightly for some tips. He replied -Go do some legwork, find something, bring it back and I'll trade you for it. He didn't really need anything, he just wanted to see if see if I'd put in the work.
KJ, on the other hand, volunteered to send me some information about the best signup bonuses and which casinos gave the best cashback and mailings. After few months, I was invited to a get together where I met Axel and Mike and a few members.. A number of former members steered me in the right direction, but Axel was the most helpful.
Quote: dawinnaatlozinsYEa KJ knows but hes not going to hand you the blue prints Moses, hes going to keep his secrets to himself hes not going to tell you oh dont go to that casino or dont bet that much at that casino or any of that crap your gonna find out on your own
it sure would be nice tho wouldn't it a fellow ap helping another fellow ap showing the ropes but alas not meant to be =/
can't blame em tho if i did all that work and hand over my knowledge free of charge id feel like a sucker
So you come on here, basically calling me a fraud, "my claims are a crock of...."....for days.
And NOW, I am the bad guy because I won't hand over any knowledge "free of charge". I do nothing but share my knowledge and experiences "free of charge". What world are you living in?
Now, am I going to email someone a list of casinos in my rotation, what spreads I use at each location, notes I have on different dealers and pit? No I am not! I actually did share my rotation with one guy relocating a few years ago and well he continues to play the places, he thinks are cheating him instead. Lol.
Look, every player that announces and then relocates to Las Vegas to play blackjack is technically competion. Too many counters and games and conditions tighten up. And that is why other card counters here in Vegas or that play Vegas regularly are already constantly upset with me for helping anyone. But I am willing to share some things, thoughts, things I have learned. Point players in the right direction. But I am not going to print out and hand them the blueprint, the keys to the car. They have to do some of the work themselves. I have a career to think about AND, not only mine, but other card counters, including one that I live with, my brother.
I share thoughts, experiences and point players in the right direction. And still I get grief for not doing enough. "Sure would be nice if showed a fellow AP the ropes".....give me a break!
KJ did provide some good feedback. But of all these alleged AP's Pro on WoV. "Wizard of Vegas." You cant provide updated info on a list 4 years old? Makes me wonder how so many with HIA Syndrome are sooo successful.
Ask, do you ever offer green chip play here? How come you're so friggin twitchy? 😲
You dont think some of my questuons/dialog could hurt an AP.
Just sayin I dont want to hear any complaining later from you "Pros."
Quote: moses
Ask, do you ever offer green chip play here? How come you're so friggin twitchy? 😲
You donr think some of my questuons/dialog could hurt an AP.
Just sayin I dont want to hear any complaining later from you "Pros."
Dumbest thing I have heard. Just hand them a business card that say Moses, card counter and be done with it. Lol
Cant believe you dont know that.
Naw, I will hand them a biz card that says Kewlj.. Sole Propietor of Vegas Money Extraction.😉
Call the casino and ask to be transferred to the pit. Introduce yourself as a new player heading out for weekend and ask if they have a decent $25 game. How many decks?
Mix in some innocent questions-do you have Lucky Ladies, is there smoking, with the questions you really want. If you call an hour or two into the shift, you'll get better results than if you call at 11PM on a Friday.
Quote: billryanHere is an old east coast trick that evidently never made it out west.
Call the casino and ask to be transferred to the pit. Introduce yourself as a new player heading out for weekend and ask if they have a decent $25 game. How many decks?
Mix in some innocent questions-do you have Lucky Ladies, is there smoking, with the questions you really want. If you call an hour or two into the shift, you'll get better results than if you call at 11PM on a Friday.
While that is all well and good, if I was a professional player, as moses tells us he is, thinking of moving to Las Vegas for a number of years, as he also told us, I think I would want to check this out for myself. Moses is retired, or retired from working for other right? Lives in the same state, either a short plane ride or a longer drive away. I would think he would visit Las Vegas and not just for a day or two, but a couple weeks, maybe a month if need be. Stay in an extended stay hotel....not seigle suites but a nice brand name extended stay.. Play some of the games, at different times, including busier weekends and see if there is enough games the caliber and at the limits he wants. Then go home and make your decision.
But the whole process, involved with this thread, doesn't seem like a professional or seriously player contempating such a move. It seems like amateur hour. Or a guy yanking everyone's chain. He just waants to periodically repeat something like "where are all the millionaire blackjack players and where are all the games they play to make millions". :/
