kewlj
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February 9th, 2021 at 8:13:49 PM permalink
Something doesn't sound quite right, but Its not impossible. I mean even with a perfect basic strategy player, the casino still has about a half percent advantage depending on rules. If you are playing higher limit tables with s17 and/or other favorable rules it could be lower, but STILL they are at a advantage. They shouldn't be chasing anyone. The idea that you are such a good basic strategy player that it is not worth their time to deal with you is a new one on me.

Now, I have a pit friend that works one of the two big chains on the strip and he long ago told me that for players playing rated, there is a rating system, I forget exactly, I think it was like 4 tier, ranging from "poor player", "average", "basic strategy player" and "advantage player". Those weren't the actual tiers but something like that. And as a player gets rated good basic strategy player and advantage player, they receive less comps and offers, even down to no comps and offers, than a poor or average player playing the exact same limits and time. So that kind of thing happens or used to. Now-a-days they don't even give much for table game play until you are playing $50 and above tables, so that is probably not as big a deal.

A lot of players don't even realize that reduction or loss of comps and offers is one of the first counter measures. Also a lot of players don't realize that even when you play unrated as I do, they are still rating your play. They assign some sort of code name to you. It may be anything from a sports team logo you are wearing to even some identifying feature if you are a more regular player. That is why the pit will often ask a dealer what you bought in for, even when you are playing unrated. So playing unrated, doesn't stop them from rating that session. What it does do is stop them from putting together many past sessions like they would instantly have with a rated player.
AxelWolf
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February 9th, 2021 at 11:33:13 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Pooky is not a troll 100% , I've known Pooky for years. The question itself doesn't quite make sense to me either, I'd start with making sure the terms used are being used properly.

"I'd start with making sure the terms used are being used properly. "

Can you elaborate?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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February 9th, 2021 at 11:35:08 PM permalink
Quote: Pookky

Wynn


I flat bet table max, that’s all I do.

How much per hand?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
kewlj
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February 10th, 2021 at 12:45:09 AM permalink
Can I ask what EXACTLY was said when you were backed off?

You said you were just lucky. Are you doing anything you aren't telling us that would have you playing with an advantage, like hole-carding or something?

Because it sound like they suspect something and probably put you in at least one of the databases for it to be several unrelated properties.
Minty
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February 10th, 2021 at 1:03:56 AM permalink
I really wouldn't be surprised if this was a back off to someone who wasn't playing with an advantage and they had no legitimate reason to back off other than needless paranoia. Wouldn't be the first time kicking out a "good" customer and won't be the last.
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Pookky
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February 10th, 2021 at 1:24:12 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

How much per hand?


20k
Pookky
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February 10th, 2021 at 1:32:04 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Can I ask what EXACTLY was said when you were backed off?

You said you were just lucky. Are you doing anything you aren't telling us that would have you playing with an advantage, like hole-carding or something?

Because it sound like they suspect something and probably put you in at least one of the databases for it to be several unrelated properties.



The back off was communicated by my host as I have a trip scheduled for this weekend, being CNY (Chinese New Year).
I also play high limit baccarat. Was told I could play anything else but BJ.

I do not do anything other than play 1 hand ever time flat bet table max and follow basic strategy.
Only time I ever go to 2 hands is if I lose like 4 hands in a row. And still flat bet.
I have poor vision and hearing so no chance at even trying to hole card or anything, I don’t bother.
I’ll actually flip a coin on border line situations like doubling down vs. hitting, splitting etc.
I literally flip a coin at the table.
acw
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February 10th, 2021 at 2:11:34 AM permalink
Quote: Pookky

Wynn



LOL

I believe Pooky 100%.

That Kid from Arkansas (Matt Maddox) and his "girl-friend" from Taiwan (Linda Chen) are truly nuts!

Here in Macau they (try to) ban all basic strategy players too. Wynn still has a concession in Macau, believe it or not!
SOOPOO
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February 10th, 2021 at 4:51:13 AM permalink
Well, Mr. Pooky, you ‘should’ be losing $50-100 per hand flat betting as you do.... and there are properties stupid enough to back you off!

Do you bet the same at baccarat? Have they ever bothered you there?

I hope you find a place that values your play appropriately, and doesn’t sweat if you win or lose!
Pookky
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February 10th, 2021 at 4:54:48 AM permalink
If Missouri cannot ban BJ players, what are the best casinos to play there.
In regards to rules & high betting limits.
I don’t care if they use a continuous shuffling machine etc. as all I do is flat bet.

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