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kewlj
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August 30th, 2020 at 6:31:40 PM permalink
Are there any professional, semi-professional, or just serious blackjack players in Las Vegas or that play Las Vegas regularly that have South Point in their regular rotation of games?

I am not accusing South Point of cheating, as I have done with a couple other casinos over the years, but I have experienced some pretty odd results over the last month which has caught my attention and I would at least like to compare experiences with others players.

Specifically, it is the $25 minimum double deck games. Hand shuffled, so there is no issue with shuffle machines. I have only recently started playing this game at South Point as for a number of years South Point has been too sweaty and I haven't been able to get much play in. So my 6 sessions this month have all resulted in 10+ max bet losses. That is pretty unusual for the short sessions that I play. We are talking a little over 25 grand loss for the month for 6 fairly short sessions.

Here is the way it has gone for these 6 sessions. Almost every time through the cards, the count goes positive, leading to my larger bets. I just am not winning my share of those high count bets....at least over this period. I am not channeling my inner Zenking, but it is beginning to feel like the deck is rigged with more small cards and less 10's and aces which would cause high counts, but you won't win those those high count bets, just more small cards, especially on your double downs. Now again, 6 sessions is a very small sample size and I am not ready to accuse anyone of anything...I just want to compare with other players at this point.

One other odd thing. As I said, South Point has become extremely sweaty for me over recent years. They almost never allow players to play unrated. But during this month of sessions, the pit critters have all been suspiciously accommodating. No one has had a problem with me playing unrated.

Again, I am just looking for experiences from other players, since the re-opening, to compare experiences at this point.

edit: anyone not comfortable responding publicly, please feel free to contact me privately,
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August 30th, 2020 at 11:59:23 PM permalink
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August 31st, 2020 at 6:04:57 AM permalink
Same dealer every time or different dealers? Over the course of a break?

Do they wash the cards at a particular time? Do they use (no, I am not THAT guy) pre-shuffled or "used" decks?

I'd make a point to arrive at shift change or when they open a table for the first time. Could you send in someone else to observe the open?

Absent some type of slight-of-hand on the part of the dealer, it has to be missing 10-value cards from the deck. What else could it be?
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August 31st, 2020 at 8:07:37 AM permalink
You definitely want to be there for them opening and spreading the cards. Perhaps it's different now with Covid no-touch, but in the past, they typically changed cards on DD every 2-4 hours.

It certainly seems odd that Southpoint didn't toss you early. Although I haven't played Vegas in a while, Southpoint is up there with EC and TI in terms of sweat.
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August 31st, 2020 at 8:28:56 AM permalink
Quote: 21forme

You definitely want to be there for them opening and spreading the cards. Perhaps it's different now with Covid no-touch, but in the past, they typically changed cards on DD every 2-4 hours.

It certainly seems odd that Southpoint didn't toss you early. Although I haven't played Vegas in a while, Southpoint is up there with EC and TI in terms of sweat.



South Point is one of many places where the players are no longer touching the cards. The Double deck game is dealt face up now. That MAY mean they are changing the cards less frequently. I am not going to make it a priority right now, but at some point I will spend a few hours late morning / noonish looking for opening a table.

Part of my issue is that I have bumped up my stakes since I returned to playing, as I am trying to accumulate more EV while playing less (something I have spent my whole career doing the opposite). So playing higher stakes with a volatile game like double deck is going to mean bigger swings. I don't want to jump to any conclusion, but it is just starting to feel like a little more than just bigger swings and variance. That's why I am seeking other players similar experiences. Understandably, I am getting more private responses than public, which is fine.
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August 31st, 2020 at 8:33:34 AM permalink
I've had unbelievable bad luck with my software home games. I should start screen recording them with the X-Box Capture feature in Windows 10.
Losing 25 unit sessions 3 times in a row is really disheartening, but these games like to remove all hope. I'd probably have a 20-30 unit win goal in BJ or Baccarat, and a 10-20 unit win goal in craps.

I did have a time when all my losses were on a positive count, all my wins were on a negative count, and a neutral count came out near even. This was like over a few thousand hands. A few thousand hands later the positive count came up to $0 wins, the negative count lost half its wins, and the neutral count gained a lot. But I don't bet like a card counter so your results would vary.
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August 31st, 2020 at 8:57:44 AM permalink
If you're that concerned why not just flat bet for a few hours. You should collect enough data to set your mind at ease. It won't cost you much, and may buy you some longevity.
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August 31st, 2020 at 9:14:23 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

If you're that concerned why not just flat bet for a few hours. You should collect enough data to set your mind at ease. It won't cost you much, and may buy you some longevity.




Maybe they only activate the beast mode when someone is varying their bets sufficiently.
Six sessions seems like a pretty small sampling.
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kewlj
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August 31st, 2020 at 9:38:49 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Maybe they only activate the beast mode when someone is varying their bets sufficiently.
Six sessions seems like a pretty small sampling.



As I stated in original post, hand shuffled game. No ASM or beast mode. I KNOW how to deal with that now.
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August 31st, 2020 at 4:58:02 PM permalink
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