TDVegas
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May 6th, 2020 at 12:57:03 PM permalink
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Random doesnít imply equal weighting. But itís deceptive of the casinos if they donít disclose how the weighting works (or if there is a weighting).


According to Websterís...it does.

A random sample or method is one in which all the people or things involved have an equal chance of being chosen.

Again, I have hundreds of previous give away contests, prizes and offerings from Station Casinos and the super majority make ZERO mention of drawing entries, being weighted or anything like that.

ďAny machine, any timeĒ.

Thatís it.

I guarantee you itís not equal.

Yes, they do NOT disclose how the weighting works on the majority of their give aways yet they will word it as if everyone has an equal chance...itís deceptive as hell. And itís done with purpose.
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May 6th, 2020 at 1:02:46 PM permalink
It's not 1 visit one entry to the lottery. It's always players with points are eligible for many more entries. So that $90,000 drawing at the end of the month just demands I show up and respond when my name gets called as a winner. Many people who entered probably have no idea what contest they entered and couldn't care less and won't be there.
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May 6th, 2020 at 1:02:49 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

According to Websterís...it does.

A random sample or method is one in which all the people or things involved have an equal chance of being chosen.

Again, I have hundreds of previous give away contests, prizes and offerings from Station Casinos and the super majority make ZERO mention of drawings, being weighted or anything like that.

ďAny machine, any timeĒ.

Thatís it.

I guarantee you itís not equal.

Yes, they do NOT disclose how the weighting works on the majority of their give aways yet they will word it as if everyone has an equal chance...



Have you ever asked for the drawing rules. I would think that Nevada would be the same as other States that I know, require rules to be available upon request. Just because nobody has ever shoved rules under your nose, doesn't mean there are none. Sounds like you think your a victim of something that is only in your mind.


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May 6th, 2020 at 2:18:26 PM permalink
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Have you ever asked for the drawing rules. I would think that Nevada would be the same as other States that I know, require rules to be available upon request. Just because nobody has ever shoved rules under your nose, doesn't mean there are none. Sounds like you think your a victim of something that is only in your mind.


ZCore13


They arenít giving $20,000 to some ploppie playing .20 cents per spin on any ďanytime, any machineĒ giveaway each week. You and I know that. Letís not be ridiculous.

The likelihood is that there is no such thing as a TRUE random casino contest giveaway that gives each person equal weighting to win.

The technique Station Casino uses is ďno entries, randomĒ....but your player card must be in the machine. We both know why that is.

If you think those $20k wins are going to ďno entries, randomĒ....Iíve got a bridge to sell you.

My guess is this contest is ďrun by omissionĒ....meaning itís weighted but weíve just chosen not to say how. We told you how itís not weighted...entries. Probably not illegal. Just deceptive and underhanded as hell.

https://www.stationcasinosblog.com/2018/10/station-casinos-introduces-monopoly-big-time-bonus-a-new-way-to-win-up-to-20000/
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May 6th, 2020 at 2:31:03 PM permalink
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They arenít giving $20,000 to some ploppie playing .20 cents per spin on any ďanytime, any machineĒ giveaway each week. You and I know that. Letís not be ridiculous.

The likelihood is that there is no such thing as a TRUE random casino contest giveaway that gives each person equal weighting to win.

The technique Station Casino uses is ďno entries, randomĒ....but your player card must be in the machine. We both know why that is.

If you think those $20k wins are going to ďno entries, randomĒ....Iíve got a bridge to sell you.

My guess is this contest is ďrun by omissionĒ....meaning itís weighted but weíve just chosen not to say how. We told you how itís not weighted...entries. Probably not illegal. Just deceptive and underhanded as hell.

https://www.stationcasinosblog.com/2018/10/station-casinos-introduces-monopoly-big-time-bonus-a-new-way-to-win-up-to-20000/



I bet you anyone can win equally then. They want to have your mailing and play patterns. That's why they require a card in the machine. I run random drawings all the time with every active player in the casino receiving 1 ticket and table games players getting additional tickets for theo losses. Some table games players have thousands of tickets, but I've had 1 ticket slot players be selected and win the top amount given away.

Do you think it's unfair that someone who plays for 6 hours has a better chance to win than someone that plays 10 minutes? They do, whether you like it or not. You have zero proof or even a shred of evidence that shows the drawing is rigged. Just like the dice controllers, system sellers, beast mode proclaimed, your accusations are baseless.


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May 6th, 2020 at 2:52:41 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

According to Websterís...it does.

A random sample or method is one in which all the people or things involved have an equal chance of being chosen.

Again, I have hundreds of previous give away contests, prizes and offerings from Station Casinos and the super majority make ZERO mention of drawing entries, being weighted or anything like that.

ďAny machine, any timeĒ.

Thatís it.

I guarantee you itís not equal.

Yes, they do NOT disclose how the weighting works on the majority of their give aways yet they will word it as if everyone has an equal chance...itís deceptive as hell. And itís done with purpose.



#fakenews

You quoted the fourth definition from Webster. Random does not imply equal weighting. A reel slot machine is random but the weighting isnít equal. Quantum mechanics is based on randomness but thereís not equal weighting. Random does not imply equal weighting.

ETA: again I am not taking issue with the rest of your post. I agree the casino advertising is deceptive.
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May 6th, 2020 at 3:12:38 PM permalink
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#fakenews

You quoted the fourth definition from Webster. Random does not imply equal weighting. A reel slot machine is random but the weighting isnít equal. Quantum mechanics is based on randomness but thereís not equal weighting. Random does not imply equal weighting.

ETA: again I am not taking issue with the rest of your post. I agree the casino advertising is deceptive.


Ok...we disagree. I think random means or implies equal chance or probability for something to happen....especially as it relates to the casino.

As far as slots go...we all know the more you wager, equal chance goes out the door as it relates to progressives. It might go out the door for other payoffs as well.

Thatís different than what Iím saying.

See roulette. Each number has equal probability. Itís a true random game.
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May 6th, 2020 at 3:38:18 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Random doesnít imply equal weighting. But itís deceptive of the casinos if they donít disclose how the weighting works (or if there is a weighting).



I can't remember the exact details, but I qualified for 3 entries to some online giveaway, for no charge. I actually read the rules, and the terms had it such that the best customers could easily qualify for millions of entries. i remember trying to figure out what my entries were actually worth (EV), and it was some very small fraction of a penny.

I think the casino problem is that it is deceptive. Entrants should have a general idea what their chances of winning are, but probably have no way to figure it out.
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May 6th, 2020 at 3:56:52 PM permalink
I have enjoyed the discussions about the casino selection of prize winners. The term "random sample" has come up a lot. I am a novice but since reading this board have taken interest in probability (combinations, permutations, Monte Carlo simulation, etc.). I am now working on random variables, moments and moment generating functions - truly remarkable stuff. I have been working from a paperback book I got for $0.50 at the Goodwill Store "Shaums - Probability and Statistics". My understanding is that are many types of random samples and to be a random sample all it needs is a probability mechanism underlying how selections are made. Within the group of random samples there is only one type of random sample, "a simple random sample", that has every member having the equal chance of selection. I don't know if this helps the discussion as it may have been implied in the discussions that "random sample" was used in the context that is was "a simple random sample". That's my 2 cents, my 2 cents.
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May 6th, 2020 at 4:21:46 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Nonsense. Thatís like saying roulette is a random game (it is)....but then adding ďwhose number gets picked is based on how many chips are on the number.

Random: made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision.

Random: : being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence.

Their slot give away has nothing to do with drawings either. It simply states anyone playing on any machine at any time can win. Those $20k payoffs are not going to ďanyoneĒ.

Not all contests are based on ďentriesĒ...they still arenít equally weighted. Itís deceptive. They know it.



If I buy 10 tickets in a raffle , and you buy 1 ticket, I have a much better chance of winning the prize. But the actual drawing of the winning ticket is random, the winning ticket is selected from amongst all entries, each individual entry with the same chance.

Random doesnít have to mean Each Person has the same chance.

The casino contests are the same. Just that the bigger players have ďpurchasedĒ more tickets. Playing big in the casino is akin to having purchased more raffle tickets.

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