Thekid
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:07:32 AM permalink
My local casino allows you to be the house (in California). You can make the corporation play however many hands and have then bet any amount per hand. My question is what is the best way to approach this? The catch is you have to pay them $5 for every $100 bet. Itís 8 decks BJ pays 6:5 can double any 2 cards canít hit split aces. Whatís the best way to approach this? They use a basic strategy hit chart when they play. I understand I am still at a disadvantage because of the juice that I have to pay but if I counted the cards what would the count have to be to give me an advantage? Does making them play multiple hands give me any sort of advantage?
MDawg
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:18:06 AM permalink
When I was a kid (funny, too, in that this is your Username), I'd run a little casino in my bedroom with a miniature roulette wheel, a Keno station, also BJ where I was the house and dealer. I'd always beat all the kids for all their money, but it was more about that they didn't know what they were doing than the house advantage.

Occasionally I've done this one on one with friends or acquaintances, and it is more about not dealing too far into the deck if you're playing against a skilled player who is tracking cards than anything else.

I'm assuming fixed hit/stand rules for the dealer.

In your case - That 5% commission is definitely going to eat up any possible advantage though, even with only a 6:5 payout, if you're playing against players who know what they are doing.

The only way I may see the count mattering is if you just got up and left when the count was very bad, since you have no control over the bet amount.
Thekid
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:25:05 AM permalink
You do have control over the bet amount. As well as the amount of hands played.

You tell the corporation how much you want them to play and how many hands you would like them to play.
MDawg
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:48:39 AM permalink
That doesn't sound like control. Sounds fixed for the duration of however long you are dealing the cards. I assume this "decision" you have is before the cards are even dealt for the first time out of the shoe? Or are you allowed to change constantly the amount they are allowed to bet? And is the "amount" the maximum amount they may bet, or the set flat bet no further player discretion?

You're going to need to rethink this one some more. Maybe someone else will come in and waste his time responding, because the game you describe sounds like a waste of time.
BleedingChipsSlowly
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:49:16 AM permalink
If the hands played and bet size cannot be varied for each hand then you will not be able to gain an advantage by keeping track of the count. I expect you will have to use the same bet and number of hands for an entire shoe.
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Thekid
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:54:47 AM permalink
You can change how much you want them to bet and how many hands are played each time. Iím not sure if you know how it works in California card rooms but the casinos can not bank the action. The casino has a dealer and the corporation pays them to deal hands to the players and the corporation pays out the wins and takes the losses. You have the option to make them play if you want. You can play one hand and then tell them you want them to play a hand. There has to be some way to take advantage of this.
Thekid
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:55:29 AM permalink
They can be varied after every hand.
AxelWolf
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:58:38 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

When I was a kid (funny, too, in that this is your Username), I'd run a little casino in my bedroom with a miniature roulette wheel, a Keno station, also BJ where I was the house and dealer. I'd always beat all the kids for all their money, but it was more about that they didn't know what they were doing than the house advantage.

I've heard this story before.

But what's unique about your story. "but it was more about that they didn't know what they were doing than the house advantage."

"roulette wheel, a Keno station"

Assuming you were running a normal fair game with evenly distributed odds, I would love for you to explain how one can know what they are doing while playing those two games?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MDawg
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:03:18 AM permalink
I don't think the Kid knows what he is talking about. On each hand you are able to force the players to bet whatever you want, with no player discretion? As the Germans might say, Ich bezweifle das.
Thekid
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:10:40 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I don't think the Kid knows what he is talking about. On each hand you are able to force the players to bet whatever you want, with no player discretion? As the Germans might say, Ich bezweifle das.



Lol I definitely know what I am talking about. I have done it plenty of times. Only requirement is you must have 3x the amount that you require them to wager.

Largest bet I have made them make was $400. I saw a guy lose over 30k playing against the house and then I told him that he had the option to take their action and he made them start playing 3 hands of $1000 each.

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