filthyrich81
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November 12th, 2012 at 4:53:31 AM permalink
I am a poker player. I have no real interest in playing bj as a player, but when I found out that you were allowed to bank the table I was intrigued. I am a very serious poker player, so obviously I have an understanding of odds, but really aside from that have no idea of bj strategy. I would like someone to either explain as though I was completely new to everything blackjack how playerbanking works, or provide a link that is very comprehensive for the person who doesnt want to study the game of blackjack, only the rules of player banking in california. if you have any specifics on the LA casinos that would be helpful. I do realize that some basic strategy specifics and info on pair bonuses would be nice and I will ask those questions later, for now just the basics on rules of banking tables in california. Thanks so much in advance.
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:28:09 AM permalink
I'm an AP and live in California and I'd like to know about this too.
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winmonkeyspit3
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:37:05 AM permalink
I've never heard of such a thing, though I am from New York I am curious to know if it exists and what the catch is.
bigfoot66
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:44:29 AM permalink
Quote: winmonkeyspit3

I've never heard of such a thing, though I am from New York I am curious to know if it exists and what the catch is.



You have to paya couple bucks to bank and the bank rotates so you will be playing some hands as a player at some point. Different clubs have different rules but if you watch the tables and try to find a table full of players who are making a lot of bad plays then sit there and find out how to play the minimum number of hands as a player in order to be entitled to bank. Just try sitting at a BJ table at the card room, watch and ask the banker/dealer questions. They wont mind explaining it to you.
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Ayecarumba
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:46:16 AM permalink
Here is a link to an older article on the blackjackforum.com site.

In non-tribal card rooms, I think the player banking option rotates every two hands. You can also co-bank with the house if you don't have the bankroll, but there is a minimum amount you need to cover.
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AlanMendelson
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:47:12 AM permalink
I'm not sure about the other casinos in California, but at Hollywood Park Casino in Inglewood (near LAX) players can choose to bank the table. I think there is a restriction that the player can only bank the table two hands in a row, or something like that. This was part of the deal made when the "poker rooms" were allowed to offer "California games."

The casino itself doesn't really "bank" the games. A "corporation" banks the games and the casino takes a fee (usually $1 per hand) from each player to play.

What the public doesn't know is that the so-called "corporation" is actually another casino company that made a cross-deal.

I'm not sure, but I think, the corporation at Hollywood Park is actually the Commerce Casino company... and at Commerce, the casino's "bank" is actually Hollywood Park.

The rules for being the banker are actually quite favorable because you don't have to bank the entire table. You can say up-front how much you want to bank, and if there are bets over and above the amount you want to bank then the "corporation" covers the rest.

I've never done it, and this is info I just gleaned from others. I do not play the "California games," but just poker at Hollywood Park and Commerce.
winmonkeyspit3
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:48:12 AM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

You have to paya couple bucks to bank and the bank rotates so you will be playing some hands as a player at some point. Different clubs have different rules but if you watch the tables and try to find a table full of players who are making a lot of bad plays then sit there and find out how to play the minimum number of hands as a player in order to be entitled to bank. Just try sitting at a BJ table at the card room, watch and ask the banker/dealer questions. They wont mind explaining it to you.



It is a flat commission or is it based on total action on the hand, win/loss, etc?

I would think the best strategy would be to find the table with the heaviest action (assuming you have the bankroll). You make 4x the EV off a $100 player vs. a $25 player, which will likely exceed the additional EV from bad play by the $25 player.
Ayecarumba
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:52:42 AM permalink
As I understand it, it is a flat amount for each position. Also, the player banker is not responsible for the "bonus" bet payouts for premium hands (suited blackjack, three sevens, etc.).

This wackiness all stems from California requiring all table games to be parimutual. It is illegal to play against the house.
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BigJer
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:55:42 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

As I understand it, it is a flat amount for each position. Also, the player banker is not responsible for the "bonus" bet payouts for premium hands (suited blackjack, three sevens, etc.).

This wackiness all stems from California requiring all table games to be parimutual. It is illegal to play against the house.



Except for tribal casinos right?
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Ayecarumba
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November 12th, 2012 at 12:32:15 PM permalink
Table games in California tribal casinos are supposed to be parimutual too. The only house vs. player games allowed are class III slot/vp machines.

Here is a link to a more up to date article on banking California table games.


Edit: Many tribal casinos in California have been allowed to offer house banked card games if they have had their compact with the Governor renewed since 1999.
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