Rio
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July 21st, 2019 at 2:41:06 PM permalink
Yesterday I signed up to Bovada to play online blackjack recreationally. I was using the Oscar's Grind system to either make $1000 or deplete bankroll, whichever came first... using $5 units and starting with a bankroll of 300 units. I chose Bovada because it was supposedly one of the more reputable site. However after last night I'm not so sure.


Last night's session went 14-40, culminating in a 3-26 run losing. I understand losing streaks and bad runs happen. I get it. What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is how I can suffer so many bad beats (not sure if this is the right terminology... I'm a sports better so bare with me) during that run. Dealer hits 21 to my 20, 19, 18, etc (happened 8x during the 3-26 run and 12x during the night session). Just about all other losses either the dealer hits 20 to my 19, 19 to my 18, etc or is showing a 10 card to my 12,13,14, etc which playing basic strategy as I was, I hit and end up busting on majority if not all these hands.


I know what happened last night is unlikely but possible. My question is more along the lines of just how unlikely was it that this happened (losing run combined with way i continually kept losing)? I've played BJ recreationally using basic strategy here and there throughout the years and never had that type of run with all those bad beats. And the one day I play at an online casino (I literally signed up within 24 hours) this happens! It makes me incredibly suspicious that I'm not playing a fair game. Sure this site says they're reputable but how can anyone really 100% know if these games are legit with no regulation? If a player is winning (as I had been during 2 previous session) who's to say that the code can't be altered to rig it?

I want to be as objective as possible but it's hard right now. Which is why I'm posting this here to gain some insight as to how unlikely last night's events were. Many of you are not only very experienced but very mathematically inclined so hopefully some of you can chime in.


Here is a log of the hands from last night's session. I can't paste it as a link since I'm new here but if you highlight the broken up link below and paste it, the document will come up.


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/document/d/1bAuJbVKpWRnQaodsJ_V9UUVFtwsiwSUuOphqlQNKvSY/edit?usp=sharing
FleaStiff
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July 21st, 2019 at 3:38:25 PM permalink
Quote: Rio

Yesterday I signed up to Bovada to play online blackjack recreationally.

Good. Enjoy it. If it ain't legit there then it ain't legit anywhere.
Rio
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July 21st, 2019 at 4:37:57 PM permalink
Really hard to enjoy going 3-26 losing the way I continually did.

Perhaps you didn't read the full post and just replied after the first sentence?
FleaStiff
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July 21st, 2019 at 5:29:49 PM permalink
You had a legitimate game. If you had won each and every hand would you be complaining about the unusual results?
Rio
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July 21st, 2019 at 6:02:24 PM permalink
If I won 26 out of 29 and won the way I lost I'd certainly remember it. However in all my years of gambling sports or in brick/mortar casinos this never happened especially in the manner it happened.

Unfortunately you have nothing to add other then to say the game was legit just because...

Thanks for your opinion regardless.


Hopefully others will answer the questions specifically mentioned in the op which is what I'm looking for..
AxelWolf
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July 21st, 2019 at 6:10:21 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

You had a legitimate game. If you had won each and every hand would you be complaining about the unusual results?

NVM his records. Why is it you think he had a legit game?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
SOOPOO
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July 21st, 2019 at 6:44:53 PM permalink
I know it won't come to anything, but send a pm to our host, the Wizard. Bovada is an advertiser on this site, and the Wiz has offered to help with any disagreements or problems with any of the sites that advertise here. My guess is he will tell you that there is not enough evidence to conclude that the game was rigged against you, and that you were just on the unlucky side of variance. But he will probably analyze your results and tell you how many standard deviations from the norm your results were.

I have a personal distrust for the entire off shore pseudo regulated online casino industry. I couldn't imagine sending them $1500 of my hard earned money in the hope I'd find a fair game.
michael99000
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Thanks for this post from:
Forager
July 21st, 2019 at 7:15:17 PM permalink
I can say almost for certain, that in live blackjack at a casino Iíve definitely had 3 win, 26 loss runs over a 29 hand stretch many times. Maybe even worse than that.
Rio
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July 21st, 2019 at 7:30:43 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I know it won't come to anything, but send a pm to our host, the Wizard. Bovada is an advertiser on this site, and the Wiz has offered to help with any disagreements or problems with any of the sites that advertise here. My guess is he will tell you that there is not enough evidence to conclude that the game was rigged against you, and that you were just on the unlucky side of variance. But he will probably analyze your results and tell you how many standard deviations from the norm your results were.

I have a personal distrust for the entire off shore pseudo regulated online casino industry. I couldn't imagine sending them $1500 of my hard earned money in the hope I'd find a fair game.




I'm sure it won't come to anything either because you could lose 50 in a row and they can still chalk it up to variance. However I'd be curious to know how many standard deviations from the norm the results were so I'll think I'll take up your advice. Thanks for that.


I have a distrust for online casinos as well but I suppose I wanted to believe Bovada was legitimate based on what I read from Wizard Of Odds. At least I only lost half my deposited roll so all was not lost.
Rio
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July 21st, 2019 at 7:40:26 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I can say almost for certain, that in live blackjack at a casino Iíve definitely had 3 win, 26 loss runs over a 29 hand stretch many times. Maybe even worse than that.




It wasn't just the bad stretch but the manner in which I kept losing that has me questioning it. During your bad stretches did you consistently lose the way in which I descried in the OP?

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