jinyoon85
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July 4th, 2019 at 1:50:53 AM permalink
Hello,

Can you plz calculate my casino's BJ house edge followed by these rules.

Rules

1. No Hole Card Blackjack (No peek blackjack) (BB+1: bust and original bet )
2. six deck
3. continuos shuffle machine
4. BJ pay 3 to 2
5. double on any 2 cards
6. split up to 4 hands
7. re-split aces (but ace splits are up to only 3 hands)
8. double after split
9. No hit when split aces
10. Early Surrender
11. dealer stands on soft 17

I tried to calculate with your calculator and effect of rule variations but couldn't able to figure it out.
Please help me on this.
thank you :)
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July 4th, 2019 at 10:28:05 AM permalink
Quote: jinyoon85

Hello,

Can you plz calculate my casino's BJ house edge followed by these rules.

Rules

1. No Hole Card Blackjack (No peek blackjack) (BB+1: bust and original bet )
2. six deck
3. continuos shuffle machine
4. BJ pay 3 to 2
5. double on any 2 cards
6. split up to 4 hands
7. re-split aces (but ace splits are up to only 3 hands)
8. double after split
9. No hit when split aces
10. Early Surrender
11. dealer stands on soft 17

I tried to calculate with your calculator and effect of rule variations but couldn't able to figure it out.
Please help me on this.
thank you :)



jinyoon85,

First of all, welcome to the Wizard of Vegas forum!

The short answer is that the PLAYER has the edge using just Basic Strategy. The "Player Expected Values (in %)" is 0.1819%. Thus, if you flat-bet $100 per round, you can expect to win a bit over $0.18 (or 18¢) per round. Note, though, that this value was calculated for European No Hole Card rules, rather than the slightly more player-friendly BB+1 that you specified, so your expectation is a tiny bit higher than 0.1819%.

Below is how I found this result:

I used kc's excellent "Composition Dependent Combinatorial Analyzer" available online at this url:

http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

Under "Settings and Rules" I set the number of decks to 6, the BJ odds to 3:2, and checked the S17 and ENHC boxes.

Under "EV (unconditional when not checked)" I unchecked the "Conditioned on no dealer BJ where applicable" box.

Under "Compute mode" I selected Basic strat.

Under "Depleted shoe split strat (Re: basic strat)" I selected Pre-split.

Under "Auto winner (includes splits)" I selected None.

Under "Doubling" I selected Double any 2 cards. Under "Restrictions for hand total" I selected None.

Under "Splitting" I set "Allowed splits aces" to 2 and "Allowed splits 2-10" to 3. Under "After splitting" I checked DAS and unchecked both HSA and Double after splitting aces.

Under "Surrender (2 card)" I checked the "Allowed versus dealer up cards of 2-9" box. Under both Versus 10 and Versus Ace I selected Early surr.

Hope this helps!

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July 4th, 2019 at 10:49:25 AM permalink
Even at BB+1 there is a player advantage on that? My spidey senses say there is something wrong with the calculation.

The ENHC rule increases the house edge by about 0.11 percent.

Putting these criteria into the Wizard Blackjack House Edge calculator shows that Basic Strategy with Continuous Shuffler has a house edge of 0.3753%.

I can't believe that the change from late surrender (on the calculator) to early surrender would change the edge by that much.
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July 4th, 2019 at 12:55:38 PM permalink
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Even at BB+1 there is a player advantage on that? My spidey senses say there is something wrong with the calculation.

The ENHC rule increases the house edge by about 0.11 percent.

Putting these criteria into the Wizard Blackjack House Edge calculator shows that Basic Strategy with Continuous Shuffler has a house edge of 0.3753%.

I can't believe that the change from late surrender (on the calculator) to early surrender would change the edge by that much.

Early surrender is worth about .63% so about .54% better that late surrender (.09%).
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July 4th, 2019 at 1:06:31 PM permalink
With what he describes the deal breaker for me would be the continuous shuffle. No real opportunity to count the cards or even keep track of face cards and tens, nothing.
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July 4th, 2019 at 1:50:34 PM permalink
Early Surrender seems to be the deal breaker. I can imagine the rules are meant to be late or no surrender, in that case there looks to be a House Edge.

Other than that your rules are very close to the ones played in the UK (they have lose everything rather than BB+1).
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July 8th, 2019 at 6:55:40 PM permalink
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July 8th, 2019 at 6:56:05 PM permalink
thank you very much for the reply.

I have one more questions.

I wrolngly stated,
we offer early surrender to all cards except for Aces. for in the calculation, I did just no suurender for Versus Ace.

by doing it, the H.E went down to -0.2088 (favors to Casino)

my questions is that

I still do not understand between ENHC and BB+1

as you stated, BB+1 is slightly more player friendly, however, when I looked up an effects of varaition rules chart. (/games/blackjack/rule-variations/)

it says BB+1(-0.01%) , OBBO(-0.03%) are negative effect to players when applied. this gets me confused so much.

Please help me with this. thank you

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