Nared
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January 12th, 2019 at 6:41:34 AM permalink
The game of blackjack had long been in existence when it was first mathematically analyzed in the 1950s.

Why did they choose 17 as the dealer's compulsory standing number? Is it optimal?
I would think 15 would be a better standing number because if the dealer draws on 15
there are 7 cards that would bust him and only 6 that would improve his hand.

Would a standing number of 15 be more attractive to players?
FleaStiff
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January 12th, 2019 at 6:47:21 AM permalink
it usedto be 'dealer must draw to 16 and stand on all 17s'
now its often dealer stands only in a hard 17, which is bad enough for the player as it is.
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January 12th, 2019 at 7:24:04 AM permalink
This question has been answered on a thread I started. I don’t know how to link to threads because I’m a terrible forum member.

But you can click on my name and go to threads I’ve started and click on the thread that is “Dealer hits soft 18” or something close to that.
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January 12th, 2019 at 8:37:41 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

This question has been answered on a thread I started. I don’t know how to link to threads because I’m a terrible forum member.

But you can click on my name and go to threads I’ve started and click on the thread that is “Dealer hits soft 18” or something close to that.


It’s not rocket science. After I clicked on your name, I scrolled down to find the thread you’re talking about. Then I right click it to get a little menu. One of the options is ‘copy link’. And then I pasted it here;
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/29441-dealer-hits-soft-18/
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January 12th, 2019 at 8:44:32 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It’s not rocket science. After I clicked on your name, I scrolled down to find the thread you’re talking about. Then I right click it to get a little menu. One of the options is ‘copy link’. And then I pasted it here;
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/29441-dealer-hits-soft-18/



Our ancestors evidently possessed math skills that have long since been lost. Could most people today figure out how to create a game that seems fair but which will slowly drain the players.
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January 12th, 2019 at 10:56:39 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Our ancestors evidently possessed math skills that have long since been lost.

comical and not even close to being true
Quote: billryan

Could most people today figure out how to create a game that seems fair but which will slowly drain the players.

the GAME of blackjack was not created in its current form.
It evolved like most other old casino games over time.

If the house edge was too high, because of some rule or lack of, the players could feel it and stop playing
rules were in place years ago and have disappeared mainly because players did not like them (they lost too much or could not win that often, or same for the house)

lost math skills
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January 17th, 2019 at 5:32:30 PM permalink
I guess a standing number of 15 would be more attractive to players, haven't done any calculation though.
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January 17th, 2019 at 7:51:55 PM permalink
I've looked at this. The house makes the most money standing at 17.
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January 17th, 2019 at 8:11:35 PM permalink
I looked at this some more.

If the dealer hits a soft 16, then the expected return, compared to that of hitting a soft 17, goes up 1.14% for the player.

If the dealer stands on a soft 16, then the expected return, compared to that of standing on a soft 17, goes up 1.34% for the player.

Either way, it puts the player well into positive territory
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