FINAL Shout out

Quote: RS

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(Do you think it’s okay to screw 12-year-olds in Thailand just because it’s legal? I would say it’s immoral/wrong regardless of the laws.)

Be honest with yourself, wouldn't it depend on what he looked like?

Quote: DRich

Be honest with yourself, wouldn't it depend on what he looked like?

I'm wondering how he knows it's leagal?

I actually don't think it is.

Certainly a US citizen can't go over and engage in that type of stuff return to the US and it's legal to do.

ZK, Here is who is verifying everything...

https://www.lrrc.com/Nevada-Gaming-Licensing-A-Primer

Besides casino operators, a host of others need to obtain non-restricted gaming licenses. These include manufacturers and distributors of gaming equipment persons who share in gaming revenues, and slot route operators (persons that operate slot machines in other person’s businesses like taverns and convenience stores).

Quote: BlackjackLover

I disagree. Reprimanding your subordinate doesn't prevent amiable work or personal relationship after that. It would be very infantile to refuse to socialize with your colleagues who were reprimanded. If the offended party feels that that is lack of respect, he must be a very selfish or obnoxious person.

If you don't agree with this, please watch the movie "Lean on Me".

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm wondering how he knows it's leagal?

I actually don't think it is.

Certainly a US citizen can't go over and engage in that type of stuff return to the US and it's legal to do.

You're right (kinda weird how you know the age of consent in different countries, eh?).

Apparently age of consent in Phillipines is 12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Philippines



And I figured it out or had an inclination it was low because some people (not naming names) travel to Thailand or the Philippines frequently. One person I know, the other day, I was saying how I find nothing interesting about visiting Asia, at least from a tourism/traveling/vacation sort of thing (not talking about it in reference to AP). And this guy was trying to tell me how awesome the Philippines is....mhmmm....not creepy at all...... ;-)

Quote: RS

You're right (kinda weird how you know the age of consent in different countries, eh?).

Apparently age of consent in Phillipines is 12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Philippines



And I figured it out or had an inclination it was low because some people (not naming names) travel to Thailand or the Philippines frequently. One person I know, the other day, I was saying how I find nothing interesting about visiting Asia, at least from a tourism/traveling/vacation sort of thing (not talking about it in reference to AP). And this guy was trying to tell me how awesome the Philippines is....mhmmm....not creepy at all...... ;-)

Does his forum name rhyme with StrokerFinder?

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: RS

You're right (kinda weird how you know the age of consent in different countries, eh?).

Apparently age of consent in Phillipines is 12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Philippines



And I figured it out or had an inclination it was low because some people (not naming names) travel to Thailand or the Philippines frequently. One person I know, the other day, I was saying how I find nothing interesting about visiting Asia, at least from a tourism/traveling/vacation sort of thing (not talking about it in reference to AP). And this guy was trying to tell me how awesome the Philippines is....mhmmm....not creepy at all...... ;-)

Does his forum name rhyme with StrokerFinder?

Just cause you have a thing for little boys doesn’t mean you have to always deflect to me lol.

Quote: FCBLComish

ZK, Here is who is verifying everything...

https://www.lrrc.com/Nevada-Gaming-Licensing-A-Primer

Besides casino operators, a host of others need to obtain non-restricted gaming licenses. These include manufacturers and distributors of gaming equipment persons who share in gaming revenues, and slot route operators (persons that operate slot machines in other person’s businesses like taverns and convenience stores).

That link tells me NOTHING about who is verifying anything.

And just as an update, I went back to the Palms the other day simply to ask questions with no intention of playing a hand until they cleared up the whole thing to me about the safeguards in place. Turns out when I arrived, they were changing out the cards and it indeed DOES come Preshuffled now. Before, all I had was the pit bosses word that the new cards come pre shuffled, but now Ive seen it with my own eyes.

So I go ahead and ask another pit boss, how these preshuffled cards are being verified without an ASM at the table. Here is the dialogue, dont care about potentially outing myself either if hes reading this:

Me: So, how are these preshuffled cards being verified without an ASM at the table?

Drone pit boss: The card manufacturer verifies them.

Me: So what safeguards are in place then if the card manufactuer is the one verifying them?

Drone pit boss: Go ahead and call gaming.

Me: I called gaming already and they have no answer.

He runs away to his little desk in the middle of the pit with an angry smirk on his face and says

Drone pit boss : If you dont like it, then dont play.

Me: Im the customer, what do you mean dont play?

No answer but a stupid sarcastic smirk on his face. I end it by walking away and saying

Me: Says a lot if you cant tell me.

Drone pit boss: It sure does.

So sad that this is the current state of casino management and explains why so many of them go out of business or bring in much lower profits than they should. Bunch of droned out people owning these places with a management team having a brain the size of a pigeon. Just another day of casino management doing management duties without knowing what actually goes on behind the scenes. These are SHIFT MANAGERS not floormen and they still have no knowledge of the safeguard procedures in place and yet they get the job. Interesting. Maybe this is hidden from them on purpose?

Note to everyone. Im still waiting for the safeguards in place for preshuffled cards without an ASM at the table. This thread will remain bumped for as long as I live until I get an answer. You will either have to permanently ban me or give me an answer. All it takes is a simple answer saying something along the lines of, the cards get sent to gaming for them to verify. Thats it. But no one has been able to say that yet, i wonder why. Because these cards arent being sent back to gaming, theyre being sent to prisons. Even if they were sent to gaming, what safeguards are in place to prevent casino management from taking cards out of the preshuffled open box in the back and putting them back in before they are packaged up and tied? Also, are these card manufacturers verifying the cards with 24 hr surveillance? Are the tapes being sent to gaming each day? So many questions, but no answers.

There is a third option.

Bump.

Quote: ZenKinG

Bump.

can we get another suspension for yet another rules violation. For someone who is so concerned about rules you sure know how to ignore them.

Anyone taking bets on ZK getting suspended for his “Bumps” lol.

Not knowing the subject much, I'll throw this out.

I heard that if you have packaged, pre-washed vegetables, you should not re-wash them because you increase the chances of them becoming contaminated. Basically, the pre-washing gets them as safe as they can be and you can only screw it up.

Assuming (just for argument's sake) that the shuffles at the factory are honest and accurate to a very high degree, maybe having casino employees mess around with the cards can only make the situation worse. Obviously, also costs time.

Welcome back ZK.

Quote: ZenKinG

Bump.

Warning for thumb-tacking.

If you must wake up a sleeping tread, and don't have anything new to add, then at least tell a joke.

Quote: PokerGrinder

Anyone taking bets on ZK getting suspended for his “Bumps” lol.

No Suspension -400
Yes Suspension +320

The mods have a soft spot for him. Must be something about 8 time offenders.

If it were Nathan, those odds would be reversed

Quote: Wizard

Warning for thumb-tacking.

If you must wake up a sleeping tread, and don't have anything new to add, then at least tell a joke.

conspiracy theorists don't usually tell jokes.

Quote: michael99000

No Suspension -400
Yes Suspension +320

The mods have a soft spot for him. Must be something about 8 time offenders.

If it were Nathan, those odds would be reversed

It says more about the people who want someone banned for bumping a thread, than the person who actually bumped the thread.

Quote: SM777

It says more about the people who want someone banned for bumping a thread, than the person who actually bumped the thread.

I actually don’t care, nor am I the one who pointed out that he should be suspended for it. I find his misinformation and lack of knowledge particularly in regards to sports betting to be entertaining.

I was only pointing out my thoughts on the chances he would be suspended

So let me get this straight, not ONE person has been able to give me an answer to my thread and i get warned for yet another suspension? Not to mention, the post that brought this thread back up wasnt even the 'bump' post either so saying im thumb tacking or whatever is called is ridiculous. Also, people begging others to get suspended are magically not breaking any rules, that's comical.

But yeah guys, im the conspiracy theorist even though not one person has refuted anything I said or gave me an answer to any of my questions. What a surprise. What a great society we live in. If only you guys actually listened to half of the stuff Ive said on this forum, all of you would be in a better place.

I need to just seriously isolate myself and go live in Antarctica or something away from everyone.

Quote: ZenKinG

So let me get this straight, not ONE person has been able to give me an answer to my thread and i get warned for yet another suspension?

I'll give you an answer. I agree with you. Unless the casino checks for each card in a preshuffled deck, or any deck for that matter, it is not as transparent as some, you obviously included, may want. The lower level management guy you spoke to basically was disinterested in dealing with a pest like you, and gave you the same answer I gave you earlier, that you do not have to play there if you do not like the rules and the way they do things. Have you sent an email to palms management with your concerns? Sent an email to"Gaming"?

Mike established the no 'bump' rule to prevent a single poster from making his thread, which others are obviously ignoring, appear to be active. He kindly has allowed some latitude by making the poster just add a joke to allow the poster the opportunity to 'bump' the thread. So why not follow Mike's rule rather than disrespect him and put him in the unenviable position of having to suspend you for minor petulance?

Quote: Wizard

Warning for thumb-tacking.

If you must wake up a sleeping tread, and don't have anything new to add, then at least tell a joke.

He does with every post.


ZCore13

Quote: SOOPOO

I'll give you an answer. I agree with you. Unless the casino checks for each card in a preshuffled deck, or any deck for that matter, it is not as transparent as some, you obviously included, may want. The lower level management guy you spoke to basically was disinterested in dealing with a pest like you, and gave you the same answer I gave you earlier, that you do not have to play there if you do not like the rules and the way they do things. Have you sent an email to palms management with your concerns? Sent an email to"Gaming"?

Mike established the no 'bump' rule to prevent a single poster from making his thread, which others are obviously ignoring, appear to be active. He kindly has allowed some latitude by making the poster just add a joke to allow the poster the opportunity to 'bump' the thread. So why not follow Mike's rule rather than disrespect him and put him in the unenviable position of having to suspend you for minor petulance?

Why are you bringing up the 'bump' rule if I didnt violate any rule to begin with? Did you not read my previous post saying the 'first' post that revived this thread was NOT the 'bump' post? So how do I get a warning for thumb tacking when the first post that revived the thread wasnt a 'bump'? If people want to ban me so badly and beg for me to get banned every chance they get, go ahead and ban me permanently. I can care less. I already proved everyone wrong in this forum as well as in my life so its whatever.

Life is too easy. I honestly thought life would be harder. I havent even tried yet and i have close to 51k with no debt and never got a handout from anyone while also being cursed. Imagine when I actually start trying and divine intervention stops trolling me? I never even had a job worth more than 11 an hour LOL. Whatever happens from here on out is irrelevant because I now know divine intervention will try to humble me after this post, but I know I already dominated life so its whatever as well.

Im glad I didnt follow what society tells me I should do or live my life. Its good to not be a robot drone while all my friends follow the societal road to glory being drowned in debt their whole lives with their wonderful marriages where theyre secretly miserable with 3 kids they cant financially support and have their wives drown them with stress only to be divorced and pay child support. Women are actually the epitome of drones. Theyre more like leeches, especially now when they dont even cook or clean and still feel so entitled. You can thank society for the women of today. Theyre basically useless.

You also didnt provide an answer to my thread. No, I have not emailed them. I already called gaming multiple times and they never tell me the safeguards in place other than saying a casino would not risk losing their license to cheat. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Also tell me the last casino that lost their license after being caught cheating. Ill wait.

Quote: Zcore13

He does with every post.


ZCore13

Dont you have a chip tray to count down? What are you doing on this forum?

Quote: ZenKinG

Yes. Can you believe that? Go verify it for yourself. I first seen this at Planet Hollywood months ago and now its spreading. Unverified no asm hand shuffled preshuffled decks. Of course the casino verified it in the back to make sure its a short pack, but in terms of transparency to the customer, yup unverified. Just think critically for a second. Why else woukd they change out their cards? Add to that the fact that the protocol before this was that the cards came in order and now the NEW cards are preshuffled AND no ASM? Lets be honest here.

First off there is no cheating here.
Second s pre shuffled deck is no different than an auto shuffle unless they made all table one player only, otherwise the varying number of players would screw up any advantage from a alleged fixed deck.

Quote: ZenKinG

Why are you bringing up the 'bump' rule if I didnt violate any rule to begin with? Did you not read my previous post saying the 'first' post that revived this thread was NOT the 'bump' post? So how do I get a warning for thumb tacking when the first post that revived the thread wasnt a 'bump'?

Because you did violate the rule and it's not up to everyone else in the world to interpret every situation in a way that is charitable to you and to come up with customized rulings about the spirit of the law for every situation just because you are involved. That's because their time and energy matter, since they do not exist solely as they relate to you.

There's a pretty simple rule. You can't bump threads. You made a post that just says "bump." It doesn't matter if you made another post 2 seconds before. You broke the rule.

Quote: Rigondeaux

Because you did violate the rule and it's not up to everyone else in the world to interpret every situation in a way that is charitable to you and to come up with customized rulings about the spirit of the law for every situation just because you are involved. That's because their time and energy matter, since they do not exist solely as they relate to you.

There's a pretty simple rule. You can't bump threads. You made a post that just says "bump." It doesn't matter if you made another post 2 seconds before. You broke the rule.

And you just contradicted yourself. Is this a forum of rules or not? The bump rule is for the FIRST post reviving a thread. I made a very nice eloquent post to revive the thread after my 2 week suspension ended with an 'update' post where I last left off. Dont try and argue for arguments sake. All of you are wrong once again. Its ok to be wrong.

You expect admins or whomever to read trough the thread and make that determination and decide how much time between the 2 posts there must be etc. Because you think the whole world revolves around you.

It doesn't. There is a simple rule that's easy to follow and easy to enforce. You chose to break it.

Quote: SM777

It says more about the people who want someone banned for bumping a thread, than the person who actually bumped the thread.

I have no interest in ZK getting suspended, I was merely pointing it out that it mostly would happen.

Quote: ZenKinG

< All of you are wrong once again. Its ok to be wrong.

Just because I'm used to being wrong, does not mean I like it any better.

Quote: ZenKinG

I need to just seriously isolate myself and go live in Antarctica or something away from everyone.

Please do, and make sure there is no internet connection so we don't have to continue listening to your drivel.

Quote: ZenKinG

Im glad I didnt follow what society tells me I should do or live my life. Its good to not be a robot drone while all my friends follow the societal road to glory being drowned in debt their whole lives with their wonderful marriages where theyre secretly miserable with 3 kids they cant financially support and have their wives drown them with stress only to be divorced and pay child support. Women are actually the epitome of drones. Theyre more like leeches, especially now when they dont even cook or clean and still feel so entitled. You can thank society for the women of today. Theyre basically useless.

a theme that occurs over and over in your writing
to summarize:

you're so great and just about everybody else sucks


really pathetic

Quote: ZenKinG

I need to just seriously isolate myself and go live in Antarctica or something away from everyone.

I think that would be desirable but all we really care about is that you would be away from us.

Your first posts here several years ago was about a casino cheating you back East. Its almost three years later, you have basically wasted three years of your prime earning career and still have a BR about what it was back when you were the LoneWolf, before you became the king.

Quote: lilredrooster

a theme that occurs over and over in your writing
to summarize:

you're so great and just about everybody else sucks


really pathetic

Don’t forget the $7500 car and no debt.

Quote: billryan

Your first posts here several years ago was about a casino cheating you back East. Its almost three years later, you have basically wasted three years of your prime earning career and still have a BR about what it was back when you were the LoneWolf, before you became the king.

Yea its called expenses and living on your own. What you fail to mention is how I can maintain the bankroll. 50k is still better than 500 in the bank with massive debt that needs to be paid back and a car they dont even own outright like 99.9% of society. I guess loving paycheck to paycheck is a hell of a life, but those people dont get criticized, only I do, thats hilarious. Not to mention, the only ones in my position at my age got handouts from their parents and government or simply came from a rich family.

You wont find many people at my age that couldve done what ive done by managing risk and bankroll, saving up to grow a bankroll by working two jobs and playing, staying disciplined throughout negative hell variance by having break even results after 600 HOURS and never losing your head, never having a job worth more than 11 n hour, then moving to a major city to the other side of the country by themselves without knowing one person there, and still staying focused and not destroying their bankroll playing a 1-2% advantage game. Wow. But keep pointing out any negatives you find. Says a lot about you and everyone else who has tried to bring me down. I know what ive done and no one will ever be able to take that away from me.

P.S. still waiting for the safeguards in place at the Palms. As time keeps ticking with no answer, glad to know Palms is cheating. How can not one person from Gaming, Palms management or any industry insiders on this forum simply tell me what safeguards are in place with pre shuffled cards and NO ASM?

Quote: michael99000

Don’t forget the $7500 car and no debt.

You also forgot the massive knowledge I have surrounding several legal topics that 99.9999% of society is clueless about.

Quote: ZenKinG

50k is

You wont find many people at my age that couldve done what ive done

you won't find many sophisticated people over the age of 25 jumping up and down with joy because they have 50K

Quote: lilredrooster

you won't find many sophisticated people over the age of 25 jumping up and down with joy because they have 50K

Youd be hard pressed to find many that have a 60k liquid net worth at my age that was built up from scratch without ever getting a handout, especially when you consider I never had a 'normal' job that paid more than 11 n hour. The only handout I got was that my dad helped pay for half of my car BUT i told him he didnt have to because I HAD the money for the total price of the car since I dont like handouts. He said because he helped my brother, he wanted to help me as well. Thats right, you heard that right, I HAD the total price for the car in my bank that I saved up MYSELF in my early twenties(how many can say that, let alone tell their parents to NOT help them).

Everyone wants a handout and take no responsibility for themselves. I didnt want to take a shortcut to make payments for a car so I was patient, sacrificed, and SAVED. It's called discipline and understanding economics. When I want something, I sacrifice and save to pay for everything upfront. I dont need some magical credit card or monthly interest payment. Society could learn a thing from me, but Im the one thats wrong, right?

What I find hilarious is everyone seems to have these wonderful jobs that pay well, but everyone is broke LOL. Interesting how that works. 60k is irrelevant anyway, its not worth much anymore specifically thanks to you and everyone else in society who have destroyed the economy. 60k today is the equivalent of 5k back in the day. Thanks guys. Keep inflating the economy with your brainwashed system of credit mentality. Credit is GOOD. Credit is GREAT.

Quote: ZenKinG

Youd be hard pressed to find many that have a 60k liquid net worth at my age that was built up from scratch without ever getting a handout, especially when you consider I never had a 'normal' job that paid more than 11 n hour. The only handout I got was that my dad helped pay for half of my car BUT i told him he didnt have to because I HAD the money for the total price of the car since I dont like handouts. He said because he helped my brother, he wanted to help me as well. Thats right, you heard that right, I HAD the total price for the car in my bank that I saved up MYSELF in my early twenties(how many can say that, let alone tell their parents to NOT help them).

Everyone wants a handout and take no responsibility for themselves. I didnt want to take a shortcut to make payments for a car so I was patient, sacrificed, and SAVED. It's called discipline and understanding economics. When I want something, I sacrifice and save to pay for everything upfront. I dont need some magical credit card or monthly interest payment. Society could learn a thing from me, but Im the one thats wrong, right?

What I find hilarious is everyone seems to have these wonderful jobs that pay well, but everyone is broke LOL. Interesting how that works. 60k is irrelevant anyway, its not worth much anymore specifically thanks to you and everyone else in society who have destroyed the economy. 60k today is the equivalent of 5k back in the day. Thanks guys. Keep inflating the economy with your brainwashed system of credit mentality. Credit is GOOD. Credit is GREAT.

I'm not going to lie, $60,000 in your 20's is really good especially since you basically got that money on your own.

Quote: lilredrooster

a theme that occurs over and over in your writing
to summarize:

you're so great and just about everybody else sucks

really pathetic

I've spotted another trend

Quote: ZenKing

Why are you bringing up the 'bump' rule if I didnt violate any rule to begin with? Did you not read my previous post saying the 'first' post that revived this thread was NOT the 'bump' post? So how do I get a warning for thumb tacking when the first post that revived the thread wasnt a 'bump'? If people want to ban me so badly and beg for me to get banned every chance they get, go ahead and ban me permanently. I can care less. I already proved everyone wrong in this forum as well as in my life so its whatever.

It is a sort of a strawman:
provide your own interpretation of a rule or a law (such as trespassing, bumping, thumbtacking) and then claim that you aren't breaking your interpretation of the rule or the law.

In another way, crafting your own version of reality and then getting really pissed when the rest of the world doesn't agree with your version.

I'm not sure how many people want him banned permanently, due to the entertainment value he brings.

I released ZK from suspension by UK time. I.e. a little early. And he's already worthy of a warning from Wizard and is squabbling with all of society.
He has me blocked so won't see any warning from me. He certainly ignores any polite questions and responses from me and others... But his posts do him and the forum no favours. If someone can communicate with him... As in get him to actually listen and digest a few home truths, then I'd like to buy that person a beer. Maybe such counselling would work face to face. Squabbling here isn't working.
FWIW, I perceive trolling in this thread. It does not bode well. All please take care as no-one actually enjoys issuing suspensions here.

Quote: OnceDear

I released ZK from suspension by UK time. I.e. a little early. And he's already worthy of a warning from Wizard and is squabbling with all of society.
He has me blocked so won't see any warning from me. He certainly ignores any polite questions and responses from me and others... But his posts do him and the forum no favours. If someone can communicate with him... As in get him to actually listen and digest a few home truths, then I'd like to buy that person a beer. Maybe such counselling would work face to face. Squabbling here isn't working.
FWIW, I perceive trolling in this thread. It does not bode well. All please take care as no-one actually enjoys issuing suspensions here.

I've never heard of a forum where a member could block a mod.


ZCore13

Quote: ZenKinG

Youd be hard pressed to find 𝐌𝐀𝐍𝐘 that have a 60k liquid net worth at my age that was built up from scratch

taking BS to another level - breaking new ground. Many? try tens of thousands or more likely hundreds of thousands

the top Wall Streeters are now making more than 𝐎𝐍𝐄 𝐁𝐈𝐋𝐋𝐈𝐎𝐍 per year and hundreds if not thousands of them are making more than one million per year.

and this guy is blowing his horn about 60K which if you go back a few posts was 50K.

Quote: lilredrooster

taking BS to another level - breaking new ground. Many? try tens of thousands or more likely hundreds of thousands

the top Wall Streeters are now making more than 𝐎𝐍𝐄 𝐁𝐈𝐋𝐋𝐈𝐎𝐍 per year and hundreds if not thousands of them are making more than one million per year.

and this guy is blowing his horn about 60K which if you go back a few posts was 50K.

The top undergrads going to Wall St are now signing up for two year analyst gigs and before they even start those gigs, are interviewing for and getting offers from private equity and hedge funds for a job two years out. Those second offers are in the mid six figure ranges. And the kids will be about 23-24 when they start those mid six figure jobs.

just learn how to code and that will probably get you six figures in a fairly short amount of time

Quote: unJon

The top undergrads going to Wall St are now signing up for two year analyst gigs and before they even start those gigs, are interviewing for and getting offers from private equity and hedge funds for a job two years out. Those second offers are in the mid six figure ranges. And the kids will be about 23-24 when they start those mid six figure jobs.

And those kids came from rich families with connections or are all in massive debt and broke from their ivy league universities. If you read my post I talk about net worth not what job you have. Everyone seems to have a nice job, but everyone is broke. Interesting. And the ones who arent broke, got handouts from their parents or the government and didnt earn it on their own. God bless me.

Quote: unJon

The top undergrads going to Wall St are now signing up for two year analyst gigs and before they even start those gigs, are interviewing for and getting offers from private equity and hedge funds for a job two years out. Those second offers are in the mid six figure ranges. And the kids will be about 23-24 when they start those mid six figure jobs.

They start at mid 6-figures in NYC because decent 1 BR apartment runs $6k/mo

College grads in most areas start at around $50k. Even fields like engineering don’t start much higher. Programmers start around $80k without prior experience.

I was born in 1958. By 1985, I had a Degree, served my country and was operating two shops I owned outright. While I probably didn't have 50K in cash on hand, I certainly had a net worth far in excess of that.
Here is the thing- Most of my friends and even some of my family thought I was underachieving and looking back, they were right.
I actually had the same problem as you do. My early success was not scalable. I don't see how yours is either.

Quote: ZenKinG

God bless me.

if there is a God he'll find a hell of a lot of people to bless before he gets around to you