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October 25th, 2018 at 7:57:34 PM permalink
Never having a credit card isn’t something to be proud of. I’m going to net about $5,000 cash back this year from my spend. Just pay it off every month and it’s free money.

PS I am not just trolling you I agree with some of your points on the Federal Reserve system, but no credit card is just leaving free EV on the table.
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October 25th, 2018 at 10:54:35 PM permalink
Quote: happahero

Never having a credit card isn’t something to be proud of. I’m going to net about $5,000 cash back this year from my spend. Just pay it off every month and it’s free money.

PS I am not just trolling you I agree with some of your points on the Federal Reserve system, but no credit card is just leaving free EV on the table.



I dont care about free money. This is where they all trapped you. Throwing out a kit kat bar while the economy is destroyed and the elite get rich. People lost their sense of principle and rather blinded by fake green paper. You dont think I know about all of these cash back promos, sign up bonuses, travel miles, on these credit cards? I got so many of those in the mail back in NJ, but I just dont care one bit and threw it in yhe trash where it belongs.

I just hope you and everyone else love this inflationary credit system we have now. $5000 cash back meanwhile the very dollar in your pocket is depreciating as a massive pace every single day you wake up. What a great trade off. That 200k mansion is now 20 million. But keep collecting your 'free' cash back. Nothing is FREE, many people think theyre getting free cash back. You guys are getting raped through hyper inflation.

Generations to come are going to feel the consequences of you and everyone elses short term greed and lack of principle. Its only going to get worse as time goes on. Keep kicking the can down the road everyone. This whole country will eventually burn to flames. Ill be somewhere in China when this happens. Our founding fathers would agree with me. Im so disgusted I just dont care anymore. God bless this once great country amd our founding fathers.
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Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 25th, 2018 at 11:03:10 PM permalink
So trade in the free 5k in USD for 4 ounces of gold? Exchange them for Yuan and buy some farmland in China. After all, it's what George Warshington woulda done.

I just got one of the Citibank cards with a nice sign up bonus. Turns out Citibank helped finance the war of 1812 against the British. #pigeonmoves
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October 25th, 2018 at 11:07:11 PM permalink
You have been in Vegas well over a year. Obviously, it isn't working out as you planned. Have you considered changing your methods?
Pretty sure KJ was paying cash on his condo after a similar period here.
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October 25th, 2018 at 11:09:23 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

You have been in Vegas well over a year. Obviously, it isn't working out as you planned. Have you considered changing your methods?
Pretty sure KJ was paying cash on his condo after a similar period here.



I dont live in weeklies anymore. I found a place thats month to month so they dont care that Im not 'working' It's somewhat decent for the price so Im satisfied. It was a struggle but Im pretty happy where Im at right now.
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October 25th, 2018 at 11:31:25 PM permalink
Who’s to say I just kept the 5k like a sucker? It’s impossible for me to turn that into hard assets? Oh yeah I’m gona take that 5k and put it under my mattress for 30 years and wonder why I did not get rich right?

In addition % cash back is WAY better than you and your CASH blackjack bankroll. What’s your plan? Play a blackjack session convert to gold at the end of a session? Next day convert back to fiat so you can play a blackjack session lol. Good luck with conversion fees going both ways but at least you can sleep good at night knowing you have protected yourself from hyperinflation. Don’t keep your BJ roll in cash or ur a sitting duck for hyperinflation!!!!

Even if there is massive inflation and I buy a sandwich for $1,000 I’ll still get 3% back on that $1,000. What I do with that 3% is up to me. Cash back is like rakeback.
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October 25th, 2018 at 11:48:46 PM permalink
Also if China is your escape plan when SHTF, you better rethink it. Unless you are blood or are born there it’s virtually impossible to get a permanent resident card for China. And believe me the few that they do approve won’t be professional blackjack counters.
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October 26th, 2018 at 2:13:49 AM permalink
Quote: happahero

Who’s to say I just kept the 5k like a sucker? It’s impossible for me to turn that into hard assets? Oh yeah I’m gona take that 5k and put it under my mattress for 30 years and wonder why I did not get rich right?

In addition % cash back is WAY better than you and your CASH blackjack bankroll. What’s your plan? Play a blackjack session convert to gold at the end of a session? Next day convert back to fiat so you can play a blackjack session lol. Good luck with conversion fees going both ways but at least you can sleep good at night knowing you have protected yourself from hyperinflation. Don’t keep your BJ roll in cash or ur a sitting duck for hyperinflation!!!!

Even if there is massive inflation and I buy a sandwich for $1,000 I’ll still get 3% back on that $1,000. What I do with that 3% is up to me. Cash back is like rakeback.



Wasting your time brother, wasting your time. As we all are with this guy. But damn, it is a fun diversion for us miserable people.

But it is interesting that KJ was brought up. ZK should look up him up, he did say his brother is trying to find him a new partner. Seems like a perfect pairing for both.
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October 26th, 2018 at 2:35:40 AM permalink
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Wasting your time brother, wasting your time. As we all are with this guy. But damn, it is a fun diversion for us miserable people.

But it is interesting that KJ was brought up. ZK should look up him up, he did say his brother is trying to find him a new partner. Seems like a perfect pairing for both.



Funny, but you know whats even funnier? People attacking my credentials such as yourself and somehow having some type of need to talk down against me when I did nothing wrong to anyone while also having a very successful counting career after over close to 1300 hours. Yet im the bad guy and the one who is wrong even though all I try to do is help everyone with suspicious procedures, legal advice, health advice, etc. Thats the definition of hate and jealousy, but im used to it, nothing phases me anymore.

Maybe it's the way I type and sometimes people misconstrue my writing style with arrogance or not respecting other peoples opinions. Maybe people think that I think im perfect and that annoys them. Im obviously not perfect and I never said that, no one is, even though im pretty close lol. There's also many people smarter than me on this forum, but of course being 'smarter' is subjective on what that actually means, but in terms of mathematical concepts, gambling math, etc., im far behind many on here and appreciate all they offer.

Those who have met me know im a good person, i honestly just get very passionate about certain subjects at times and let loose. Maybe I could learn to be a bit more civil without losing my cool and typing aggressively. It is what it is at this point. I really dont care what people have to say about me. Never have and never will. If anything it just fuels me.
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Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 26th, 2018 at 2:57:03 AM permalink
STOP.

I need cliff notes.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 26th, 2018 at 4:10:55 AM permalink
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I don't think I've ever understood that clip about 'full retard'. I think that entire movie went over my head for some reason.
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October 26th, 2018 at 4:18:41 AM permalink
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Maybe I could learn to be a bit more civil without losing my cool and typing aggressively. It is what it is at this point. I really dont care what people have to say about me. Never have and never will. If anything it just fuels me.

Precisely, you like to goad people into thinking and talking about you and don't much care what it is they have to say just as long as it is about you. Retard, full retard, half retard it doesn't matter.
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October 26th, 2018 at 6:56:24 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Funny, but you know whats even funnier? People attacking my credentials such as yourself and somehow having some type of need to talk down against me when I did nothing wrong to anyone while also having a very successful counting career after over close to 1300 hours. Yet im the bad guy and the one who is wrong even though all I try to do is help everyone with suspicious procedures, legal advice, health advice, etc. Thats the definition of hate and jealousy, but im used to it, nothing phases me anymore.

Maybe it's the way I type and sometimes people misconstrue my writing style with arrogance or not respecting other peoples opinions. Maybe people think that I think im perfect and that annoys them. Im obviously not perfect and I never said that, no one is, even though im pretty close lol. There's also many people smarter than me on this forum, but of course being 'smarter' is subjective on what that actually means, but in terms of mathematical concepts, gambling math, etc., im far behind many on here and appreciate all they offer.

Those who have met me know im a good person, i honestly just get very passionate about certain subjects at times and let loose. Maybe I could learn to be a bit more civil without losing my cool and typing aggressively. It is what it is at this point. I really dont care what people have to say about me. Never have and never will. If anything it just fuels me.



What's funny is how you conveniently forget the many, many times you have insulted the people on here, and/or the forum itself.

You don't just complain about the casinos, or the backoffs, or the apartments, or the hundred other things you complain about. No, you set us up as your strawman enemy which you. will. show. That we're all ignorant drones. That we're all against you, but you will prevail anyway.

You "did nothing wrong to anyone"? Are you kidding me? You bring any negativity on yourself - I figured it was just to motivate yourself to get through the hard times. But you're lying to yourself if you don't realize it's YOU throwing people's friendship and interest back in their faces.

Nobody's saying you have to be puppy dog friendly or anything other than who you are, but, geez. At least have a consistent understanding of who you are, or how you come off.

And yeah, love and relationships are possible for most people, without being totally self-serving. In fact, the most common feeling of love for everyone I know revolves around caring for someone else's happiness or well-being more than you care for your own.

This is why guys throw themselves on live grenades - for their foxhole buddies. This is why a guy will step up to a bully getting into his girlfriend, wife, mother, physically less capable buddy. He's not looking forward to the pain of getting slugged, even if he wins out - he's looking to protect someone he loves.

I don't know if you're capable of that. I'm guessing either a) you did and that person burned you bad, b) you haven't met that right person who inspires that in you yet, or c) both.

If you're not capable of it, you're in good company, even on this board - there are others like you. But it's worth your knowing that about yourself. And if so, it's a lack in you, not a strength. Life is much richer when you allow yourself to love.
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October 26th, 2018 at 10:46:43 AM permalink
yeah but did you guys ever run sims as to whether love is +EV? thought so sheeple drones
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October 26th, 2018 at 10:59:40 AM permalink
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yeah but did you guys ever run sims as to whether love is +EV? thought so sheeple drones

It’s +EV but the variance is through the roof.
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October 26th, 2018 at 2:36:57 PM permalink
What's Love Got To Do With It.

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 26th, 2018 at 4:21:14 PM permalink
Love is -EV. Divorce rates last time I checked are at 51%. You're losing 2%. Then the woman tries to come after you for child support and these droned out judges make the man pay more often than not.

No matter how much religion and society brainwash you that theres love in relationships and finding the 'one', nature and instincts always win out. Proof is in the data. If youre in a young relationship and the other persons arm or leg gets amputated god forbid, youre lying to yourself if fidelity issues or a break up wouldnt happen. Now the counter argument would be the many people that stick together when this happens. Yeah go ahead and tell me the age of the ones who stick together after that happens? Are they or are they not mostly 50+ with several kids and probably dont care for finding another partner at that point? But even with that said, I bet they're having an affair on the side as well. Just how it is. That proves that people in relationships really at the end of the day or not really only care about their own self interests.

To babs, no I've not been burned by anyone, I just used my brain to think critically as life has gone on and seen whats going on around me. Marriage clearly isnt natural and goes against our instincts to procreate and keep the world going round. Besides divorce rates are only thiz high because people have been brainwashed by society and religion to think that cheating is such a bad thing. If people just realized its completely natural and instinctual, then more people would live happier and more fulfilling marriages. Less pressure or fear of what their partner is doing, more open dialogue, more freedom, and a stress free marriage. If more people understood that, the divorce rates would be 1%. Not to mention if more people adopted that care free attitude to relationships, it would take away the power of someone wanting to cheat. Its psychology 101. The person will be less inclined to cheat when you basically tell them you dont care if they do or dont.

It's the same thing with the drinking age and why there are less automotive deaths in Euope than America for teenage drivers. The drinking age is less in Europe than the drinking age in America, but yet more American teenage drivers die on the road due to drunk driving? How is this possible? It's because of psychology. You give people the power to do as they wish and they do less of it. You try and restrict people to do as they wish and they're more inclined to do the respective act in question. Find me a psychologist charging you 500 an hour that can tell you what I've just told you above.

Regardless, why is it so bad if someone cheats in a relationship anyway, but its not bad when they were messing around before they got into a relationship with you? Its the same thing, they got involved with multiple people, the only thing that's different is that your ego is hurt. Remember what I said about being in a relationship for your own egotistical self interests? Im not saying everything I said is who I am as a person, just informing everyone how nature was intended and why divorce rates are at all time highs and higher than the ones who stay together.

Damn, Im honestly so ahead of my time.
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October 26th, 2018 at 7:42:39 PM permalink
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Was Zcore the dealer? ;-)



Not to my knowledge. I remember the dealer very well, It was back in 1995 at Turning Stone.
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October 27th, 2018 at 5:16:00 AM permalink
You extinguish the lurker in me Zen, and perhaps that is good, likely irrelevant. But I see in your rage against injustice a lot of myself. The following is truly, an unbiased attempt to shed some light.

Our fiat, worthless paper, is simply how the world functions at the moment. And seriously, is gold much better? What does gold provide when meeting basic needs of food, shelter, etc? Gold will be just as worthless. What we truly have of value is food, water, and skills to provide the basic necessities; be it farming, baking or cobbling.

One is not a drone when he/she recognizes the system for what it is, and then leverages the accepted currency for personal, societal or familiar gain. As much as we may feel a sense of empowerment, or perhaps superiority in our knowledge and their falsities as the basic tenets of society are concerned... this does not change the basic tenets as they exist.

A worthless, in the micro essence, currency will for the time being provide security, yet thinking long term, has no true value. Whereas, self sustainability with water, power and sustenance in the macro world view holds much more value. Which do we seek to leave to our offspring? Recognizing both the needs of the current situation as well as the possible future incarnations?

It is no great feat to see much of our existence as it is today as, pardon the expression, bullsh!t. There is no genius in this. Where genius exists is in both recognizing this and hedging perception against reality.

You ZK, are no more so ahead of your time than any other ideologue that has come before you. This is what we are called. You could be vastly advanced if you can turn that knowledge, drive and ambition into worldwide change for the betterment of society. Succeed where incredible minds including Pallast, Chomsky, Solnisky and their like have catastrophically failed.

Introduce a kharma based system of weights and measures, prove that personal wealth is unequal to societal importance, and renovate our biased system... or exploit it... your choice... who are you?

What you, as all youth, fail to recognize, is the system is inherently rigged. Fight and more than likely fail as an ideologue, accept and assimilate as you so pronounce drone, exploit as an AP (which you claim to be), or shock us all, and redefine the parameters of society along a new unheard of paradigm.. of course you may continue to rant and rave on a relatively obscure board, touting your self conceived superiority over the masses... yet have no doubt, there thoughts are neither original nor life changing.

And hey- find someone to love.... even if unrequited, love is awesome... and beyond that, take a moment to be thankful that members such as Axel, Mickey, Monet, RS, KJ (okay some former members here) and their like have given of all their knowledge, experience and expertise to assist in your success.. in this you are truly blessed...

So ZK, here you are, 25(ish) in possession of a modest (massive, or minuscule depending of your point of view) bankroll- utilize it, leverage it towards your life goals.. or rage against the drones... your choice....
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October 27th, 2018 at 5:36:10 AM permalink
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Hey Zcore go ahead and tell me if any of those jobs can make 16k in 410 hours.

Keep trying to attack my character and success when you ha e no other defenses.



I have to agree with Zcore that your gambling should not be considered a success if you are trying to do it as a full time job. Making $40 an hour with no benefits is ok for most, but not if you can only do it for an hour or two a day. If you had a 'regular droned out' full time or even part time job and your BJ AP was netting you an additional 16k a year that I would consider a success.
I've had moonlighting jobs where I made double per hour what I usually make, but I could maybe get them 100 hours per year. So maybe try and get a $20 an hour job and use your blackjack AP to supplement that?
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October 27th, 2018 at 8:15:14 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I have to agree with Zcore that your gambling should not be considered a success if you are trying to do it as a full time job. Making $40 an hour with no benefits is ok for most, but not if you can only do it for an hour or two a day. If you had a 'regular droned out' full time or even part time job and your BJ AP was netting you an additional 16k a year that I would consider a success.
I've had moonlighting jobs where I made double per hour what I usually make, but I could maybe get them 100 hours per year. So maybe try and get a $20 an hour job and use your blackjack AP to supplement that?



You’re the 10th person to tell him this. I don’t think I’m exaggerating.
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October 27th, 2018 at 8:28:34 AM permalink
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You’re the 10th person to tell him this. I don’t think I’m exaggerating.



In his thread about leaving for Vegas, he says he had 61k in total when he went.

In his latest updates, after a year and a half out there, he says he now has 50k.

I guess his definition of “doing great” is just different from everyone else’s
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October 27th, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM permalink
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In his thread about leaving for Vegas, he says he had 61k in total when he went.

In his latest updates, after a year and a half out there, he says he now has 50k.

I guess his definition of “doing great” is just different from everyone else’s


He’s not making more than he is spending on rent and food and expenses.

Stockpiling $60k is very easy when you have no student loans and live at home.
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October 27th, 2018 at 12:10:18 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

In his thread about leaving for Vegas, he says he had 61k in total when he went.

In his latest updates, after a year and a half out there, he says he now has 50k.

I guess his definition of “doing great” is just different from everyone else’s



Wrong. I had 58k, but you showed your sheepish brain which is so common in society. Go by what you 'heard' from someone else everyone. Im also 29 for the ones who didnt know or asked. Im no longer in my mid twenties.

Secondly SOOPOO and everyone else. To you all its all about making money. No one gives a damn what it takes as long as you bring fake paper home each night. If you read my posts you would realize I talked about this enough already. You guys mentioning you advised me 10x to find somethinf that pays better, well I have explained this topic 10x as well. Time is more valuable than money to me. Besides if I wanted to, I can make 5x more money counting than I already do, I just dont care much. Glad I realized that at a young age when many dont until they hit their illusion of a retirement. Rather do something where Im free, enjoy what I do, make my own hours, and not stuck in a miserable job working for someone else working 8 miserable hours a day regardless if that job pays 10x more.

Im up close to 17k in vegas but around 15.5k cause i been to califronia and lost about 1600 there. But guess what? I have played PART TIME and not full time. I dont sit in an office chair dreading my life and away from my kids if I had any. I wont need to work 16 hr shifts as an investment banker or doctor and watch my kids barely grow up other than eating dinner with them each night. I wont have to wait half a year to take a vacation with my family. I wont have to ask for time off to travel somewhere if I just want to go. I also have time to explore different thingd if I WANT to. All these indirect variables are 10x more important to me than money. So many which I havent even listed here.

All of these things you guys miss. I have so much more TIME than 99% of society. TIME, the one thing we all run out of and wish we can get back when we're laying on our death bed. If I want to make more money, ill play more, but its not too important to me. You guys act like I cant make more money counting if i didnt want to. Its all a factor of hours played. Im basically retired already. Because counting cards isnt a 'job' to me. Taking money from the casinos is just gravy to me. I enjoy the challenge and taking on the casinos at their own game, its something ill be proud of when its all said and done, not tl mention the discipline ive showed throughout to even make it to vegas grinding up a bankroll and then on top of it travel cross country ALONE not knowing one person there either. How many would do that at my age? Less than 0.1%. That makes me pround. Being proud of my accomplishments trumps making 100k a year sitting in an office chair doing nothing that Im proud of by the time Im on my death bed.

Im basically retired at this point. How am I retired with only 50k in this inflationary economy you may ask. First off I have no debt because I didnt fall into the debt trap that the government and society prays on that you do. People waste their whole lives trying to make 'payments' and 'catch up'. Secondly when you find something you like to do, it doesnt feel like a 'job'. Im also not bored out of my mind compared to someone who worked 40 years in their life miserably and reached retirement and is still miserable? How is that possible?

Im the one whos wrong but yet people live a miserable life working for someone else and somehow are still miserable once they retire? Because they never found what actually makes them happy or used their time wisely to find out, maybe because they had no time? They were too busy punching an alarm clock, working, sleeping, eating, rinse and repeat like a zombie each day as life passed them by. They dont even have time to be alone and think for themselves what is actually going on, theyre just stuck in a spiraling web until they reach retirement. They think financial freedom, the big house, the big car would make them 'happy' and finally having time to be at home and be free. Wrong. Those things are irrelevant. Thats what happens when you become a societal drone. Glad I took my own advice.
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October 27th, 2018 at 12:32:22 PM permalink
That was all so laughable I can't even respond anymore. I just feel bad now.


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October 27th, 2018 at 12:34:01 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

That was all so laughable I can't even respond anymore. I just feel bad now.


ZCore13



Laughable or remorse for yourself? Because not many people at my age couldve done what Ive done or have what I have. You probably had 100k in credit card debt in your 20s and nothing youve felt proud of other than punching a clock for someone else. A monkey could punch a clock if he had the capacity to work. Thats how you want to live your life? Be my guest everyone.
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October 27th, 2018 at 12:36:33 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

He’s not making more than he is spending on rent and food and expenses.

Stockpiling $60k is very easy when you have no student loans and live at home.



So why dont people do it? Everything is so 'easy', yet no one does it? Wow what a coincidence. If you say, well they didnt have the luxury to live at home. 99% of the time it's the kids fault for getting kicked out or being impulsive enough to leave because they're 'grown' and cant take their parents anymore. You dont think I wanted to leave my parents house as soon as I graduated? Of course I did, my parents gave me hell each day, but i was smart enough to visualize and sacrificed to stay at home and save up.

Stockpiling money is so 'easy' though. I guess they shouldve taken the 'easy' route then. Oh I know why now, they go by what society tells them to do. Move out by a certain age, get married by a certain age, do this by a certain age, do that by a certain age, yada yada yada. Ding ding ding. They go by what is 'the right thing to do' is by societal standards and what their drone friends and parents think. They go by what's generally 'acceptable'. Yeah, being a drone is costly. Hope they enjoy 100k in loans and credit card debt with their 'normal' little job they have now. It's either that or people dont have any sense of money management. Very rarely will you fimd someone like me that has every one of these traits. Im the ones whos wrong though right everyone?

Cheers to all of your debt and slavery alarm clocks each morning.
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October 27th, 2018 at 12:47:19 PM permalink
Sheepish brain? Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I know there are people out there who have an affinity for sheep.
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October 27th, 2018 at 12:58:56 PM permalink
I still can’t get over how ZK hates money and all of that have it. Calling us many different terms for earning it and being dependent on it.

Yet he continues to brag how good he is at getting it and threatens casinos that get in his way of getting more.

And most of all he seems to think $50k is something we should respect him for having.

Damn I love being a droned out tool.
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October 27th, 2018 at 1:40:05 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I still can’t get over how ZK hates money and all of that have it. Calling us many different terms for earning it and being dependent on it.

Yet he continues to brag how good he is at getting it and threatens casinos that get in his way of getting more.

And most of all he seems to think $50k is something we should respect him for having.

Damn I love being a droned out tool.



I think he's lead a protected life. He thinks he's doing something special. When I was his age I already owned a business (which I sold for 6 figures in my mid 30's), been on cruises and went to The Bahamas, Disneyland, Disney World. I had already bought a house for $72,000 and sold it for over $100,000 a few years later. By 30 I was working 25 hours a week making $100,000 a year personal income.

But he's living on his own without Mommy and Daddy, in short term rentals with a cheap vehicle, fighting with casinos and thinks that's something to brag about. Lol.

Hopefully he gets some assistance or finds someone that sets him straight soon. He also talked about having a family. Not a not of females lined up for guys in his situation.

It's good to be a drone.


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October 27th, 2018 at 1:40:46 PM permalink
ZK, somewhere in there you took a shot at me. I'm the doctor that occasionally works 16 hour shifts. I feel I missed none of my kids childhood. The money I made allowed me and ex wifey to travel with my kids. I would bet me and my sons went to more different countries before they were 18 than you will get to in your life. I was able to let them go to the colleges of their choosing without regard to cost. New soon to be wifey is packing for trip to Key West. We just got back from trip to Vegas/San Fran combo. NY in December. Jamaica in February. Punta Cana DR in April for wedding. Europe (countries to be determined) for honeymoon in July. This silly fake paper money as you like to call it allows me to do all this, in addition to living comfortably while at home.
And I know this is meaningless to you, but my life of working hard has helped people every step of the way. It is the nature of my job which I am grateful for. Without 'droned out doctors' like me your life isn't as good.

There is a frequent poster, Poker Grinder, who I think makes his entire income APing poker. He travels a lot (and is GREAT at sharing his exploits with the forum.) I'll bet he sees some funny stuff in a poker room now and then. I'll bet he either takes advantage when he can, and if he can't, I'll bet he moves on. You could do that too. Casino using funny cards? Is there a way that could HELP me? Shoe isn't mixing cards properly? How can I take ADVANTAGE? Promotion easily exploitable? How many extra hours can I put in?

So getting back to the original post, which is about a casino using pre shuffled cards that are not inspected. You can look at it two ways. You look at it like the casino is trying to get you. I'll bet you a dollar that Axel and Dj and their ilk are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the casino.

ZK, you have to try and change to a glass half full instead of half empty attitude. It will work wonders for you.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:00:14 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I think he's lead a protected life. He thinks he's doing something special. When I was his age I already owned a business (which I sold for 6 figures in my mid 30's), been on cruises and went to The Bahamas, Disneyland, Disney World. I had already bought a house for $72,000 and sold it for over $100,000 a few years later. By 30 I was working 25 hours a week making $100,000 a year personal income.

But he's living on his own without Mommy and Daddy, in short term rentals with a cheap vehicle, fighting with casinos and thinks that's something to brag about. Lol.

Hopefully he gets some assistance or finds someone that sets him straight soon. He also talked about having a family. Not a not of females lined up for guys in his situation.

It's good to be a drone.


ZCore13



What happened? Why are you now working for some tribe in a casino?
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:09:10 PM permalink
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ZK, somewhere in there you took a shot at me. I'm the doctor that occasionally works 16 hour shifts. I feel I missed none of my kids childhood. The money I made allowed me and ex wifey to travel with my kids. I would bet me and my sons went to more different countries before they were 18 than you will get to in your life. I was able to let them go to the colleges of their choosing without regard to cost. New soon to be wifey is packing for trip to Key West. We just got back from trip to Vegas/San Fran combo. NY in December. Jamaica in February. Punta Cana DR in April for wedding. Europe (countries to be determined) for honeymoon in July. This silly fake paper money as you like to call it allows me to do all this, in addition to living comfortably while at home.
And I know this is meaningless to you, but my life of working hard has helped people every step of the way. It is the nature of my job which I am grateful for. Without 'droned out doctors' like me your life isn't as good.

There is a frequent poster, Poker Grinder, who I think makes his entire income APing poker. He travels a lot (and is GREAT at sharing his exploits with the forum.) I'll bet he sees some funny stuff in a poker room now and then. I'll bet he either takes advantage when he can, and if he can't, I'll bet he moves on. You could do that too. Casino using funny cards? Is there a way that could HELP me? Shoe isn't mixing cards properly? How can I take ADVANTAGE? Promotion easily exploitable? How many extra hours can I put in?

So getting back to the original post, which is about a casino using pre shuffled cards that are not inspected. You can look at it two ways. You look at it like the casino is trying to get you. I'll bet you a dollar that Axel and Dj and their ilk are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the casino.

ZK, you have to try and change to a glass half full instead of half empty attitude. It will work wonders for you.



Did you say 'ex' wife. Sorry to hear that, but thanks for making my point about love not existing in relationships. I mean you had all the money in the world, what happened? Guess you didnt have all that TIME you claim to spend with your wife like you claim, huh? Girls are pretty simple and shallow creatures, as long as if you have a lot of money and give them TIME, LISTEN to them, and spend TIME with the family, they wont leave you. That doesnt mean LOVE exists, just that they wont leave you. But this is just one of the many things all of you will come to realize that im right about.

Not to mention, no, we dont need doctors. The same way we dont need lawyers. The problem is everyone is a robot or doesnt have enough TIME to learn anything(I wonder why) and wants someone else to be educated about a certain topic to help them. This is what leads to corruption and problems. If this country was a dictatorship, the profession of doctors and lawyers would seize to exist and only emergency care would exist, which would be free. Learn to take care of your own body instead of relying on someone else to take care of it.

You guys can try your best to win an argument on an internet forum about how great your lives were, but if they were so great you wouldnt be divorced and Zcore after supposedly making all this money, wouldnt live as a slave pit boss to a bunch of indians. LOL. So much for that. Not to mention if the story of his wealth is true, he likely took a shortcut, took out loans or got handouts from someone. Thats nothing to be proud of. All he did was further destroy the ecomomy like everyone else who wants free cheese.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:22:03 PM permalink
And yet you still are not smart enough to beat a simple game of BJ in a Vegas casino without being backoff’d and threatened with trespass.

We probably shouldn’t keep piling on to you. We may be charged with bullying in the unlikely event you ever do something illegal with all your anger.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:23:55 PM permalink
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And yet you still are not smart enough to beat a simple game of BJ in a Vegas casino without being backoff’d and threatened with trespass.

We probably shouldn’t keep piling on to you. We may be charged with bullying in the unlikely event you ever do something illegal with all your anger.



Yeah, 17k profit after 400 hours is not beating a game right? 60k career profit after 1300 hours is not beating the game right? Damn im good. Imagine if I actually felt lile playing more? I havent even tried yet in my life and im dominating.

P.S. if you know anyone in a high position in these casinos, tell them to please trespass me and arrest me. Go ahead. Lets see what happens. Im not scared of anyone here. I also dont care about potentially getting railroaded by the judge. Ill go to prison for 6 months, I can care less. Then ill do it again, get trespassed and go to court again. Ill keep doing it until the penatly becomes more than one year and then Ill be able to get a jury trial and get a court decision in this town since apparently corrupt judges have interpreted the 6th amendment as to not allow jury trials for ALL cases, which is a complete and utter embarassment.

Once again im a step ahead of everyone.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:26:15 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I still can’t get over how ZK hates money and all of that have it. Calling us many different terms for earning it and being dependent on it.

Yet he continues to brag how good he is at getting it and threatens casinos that get in his way of getting more.

And most of all he seems to think $50k is something we should respect him for having.

Damn I love being a droned out tool.



I dont hate money. Money is obviously important. The problem is you and everyone elses obsession with it. People thimk they need millions to live a happy life. I also care about constitutional money, not some 0 value paper fiat currency that can be destroyed tomorrow and you and everyone elses fake wealth would be evaporated.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:27:12 PM permalink
Two years ago, you were going to take Vegas by storm, a veritable one man gang out to plunder and ravage.
Now you have evolved and money isn't a priority. Retiring at thirty is cool. Retiring at 30 with 50K is problematic. A rule of thumb is four percent of nest egg per year.
I love a good challenge. Just did a one week food stamp challenge, but no way would I try to live on less than forty per week.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:36:52 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Two years ago, you were going to take Vegas by storm, a veritable one man gang out to plunder and ravage.
Now you have evolved and money isn't a priority. Retiring at thirty is cool. Retiring at 30 with 50K is problematic. A rule of thumb is four percent of nest egg per year.
I love a good challenge. Just did a one week food stamp challenge, but no way would I try to live on less than forty per week.



I have but I havent played enough due to paranoia. Thats what it comes down to. And there has yet to be one person to demonstrate a rational reason as to why they use pre shuffled cards, ESPECIALLY if theyre now using preshuffled cards with NO ASM. If speed is the main reason, why did they get rid of the ASMs? LOL. If it's the former, they STILL have to check the cards for marks and they STILL end up putting it in the ASM to shuffle which takes 5 min+, so what time is being saved?
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:41:52 PM permalink
With all due respect, preshuffled cards and or ASMs are not the problem.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:53:29 PM permalink
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With all due respect, preshuffled cards and or ASMs are not the problem.



I already said, the reason my profits are so low is a 'not playing enough' issue, which is mostly related to paranoia that casinos were cheating me and still believe to be possibly true whem you look at the suspicious procedures in place. You look at my results in comparison with my hours both in Vegas and my career and you realize im a winning player and close to EV. I also have taken it easy. Im not really obsessed with making a crazy amount of money. Enough to cover the bills and be comfortable.
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October 27th, 2018 at 2:58:59 PM permalink
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What happened? Why are you now working for some tribe in a casino?



Because when I sold my business, I was able to choose anything I wanted to do. I always wanted to work in a casino. So I went to dealer school and became a card dealer (poker and blackjack) I got paid to play games. Now I get paid to watch games. It's a pretty good gig.


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October 27th, 2018 at 3:01:40 PM permalink
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We probably shouldn’t keep piling on to you. We may be charged with bullying in the unlikely event you ever do something illegal with all your anger.



It's coming. Be patient.


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October 27th, 2018 at 3:09:25 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Because when I sold my business, I was able to choose anything I wanted to do. I always wanted to work in a casino. So I went to dealer school and became a card dealer (poker and blackjack) I got paid to play games. Now I get paid to watch games. It's a pretty good gig.


ZCore13



ZenKing has been able to choose what he wants to do. ZenKing also chooses to work in a casino. The only difference I see is ZenKing can go home whenever he wants. Could be debated that ZenKing has the even better gig.
I'm not putting you down for being a droned out pit critter, that's your choice. Why does everyone feel the need to criticize ZenKing for his choices. He is obviously happy with them despite not meeting society's accepted level of normal.
I don't see ZenKing asking for anyone to subsidize his existence. If you're not subsidizing it, why do you care?
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October 27th, 2018 at 3:14:28 PM permalink
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Once again im a step ahead of everyone.

On a precipice, marching boldly forward. And we are way, way behind you him. ( Pointless me addressing him as he has me blocked. )
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October 27th, 2018 at 3:14:55 PM permalink
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I already said, the reason my profits are so low is a 'not playing enough' issue, which is mostly related to paranoia that casinos were cheating me and still believe to be possibly true whem you look at the suspicious procedures in place. You look at my results in comparison with my hours both in Vegas and my career and you realize im a winning player and close to EV. I also have taken it easy. Im not really obsessed with making a crazy amount of money. Enough to cover the bills and be comfortable.




Last Sunday, I bought an item for $40. Listed it on ebay for $350 and accepted a best offer of $315 for it. IF I could do that ten-fifteen times a week, I'd be doing fairly good. No one ,looking at that one sale, will conclude I'm a successful ebayer.
Long term results are what matters and your results over the last two years are rather anemic.

I look at the bottom line and that is in over a year and a half into your Vegas life, you are making less than someone working fulltime at a gas station.
Evidently, you enjoy spending hours researching obscure law cases. Ever think about taking a job doing night security where you'd get paid to spend your time researching?
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October 27th, 2018 at 3:43:29 PM permalink
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Im not really obsessed with making a crazy amount of money. .

.

I’d say that’s pretty obvious
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October 27th, 2018 at 6:35:47 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I have but I havent played enough due to paranoia. Thats what it comes down to. And there has yet to be one person to demonstrate a rational reason as to why they use pre shuffled cards, ESPECIALLY if theyre now using preshuffled cards with NO ASM. If speed is the main reason, why did they get rid of the ASMs? LOL. If it's the former, they STILL have to check the cards for marks and they STILL end up putting it in the ASM to shuffle which takes 5 min+, so what time is being saved?



ZK sounds like the Encyclopedia salesman, still blaming the internet for everything wrong with your life.

You make zero sense. Either you can beat the casinos at will, or you are full of sh*t. The excuses, and believe me, you have more excuses than anyone on here. You blame crooked casinos, cards, sports teams, players, the mob, Jim Cantore, Shufflemaster and the illegal Mexicans selling water on the streets.

Paranoia? Most honest thing you have ever said on here.

You continue to push how much you have made in the little time you have played since coming to Vegas. You made it in SPITE of all the things you claim they have done to cheat you. But you still beat them, because you are the best.

So why not explain to all us drones why you can’t do it more. I get the cover game, hitting and running, not being greedy, all the stuff that comes with the only game you have chosen. But there is no logical reason why you work so little unless you have made EVERYTHING you wanted and don’t want to work any harder.

If that is true, respect for doing it your way, congratulations!

But taking that one step further, why whine like a spoiled brat about how they operate? It doesn’t matter, you still beat them no matter they throw at you.

On is this your way of getting attention and trying to impress others on an Internet forum? Face it, there is nothing on here you are going to learn, no one you are going to meet to help, and no one who is your equal.

And you wouldn’t last a week in jail, anyone on here could see that.

But Thanks for playing today, providing me with a diversion from bouncing around airports today. Coming back from Fantasy Fest in Key West, doing what drones like me do, spending that money we worship.

You truly are one of a kind.
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October 27th, 2018 at 8:46:59 PM permalink
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Did you say 'ex' wife. Sorry to hear that, but thanks for making my point about love not existing in relationships. I mean you had all the money in the world, what happened? Guess you didnt have all that TIME you claim to spend with your wife like you claim, huh? Girls are pretty simple and shallow creatures, as long as if you have a lot of money and give them TIME, LISTEN to them, and spend TIME with the family, they wont leave you. That doesnt mean LOVE exists, just that they wont leave you. But this is just one of the many things all of you will come to realize that im right about.

Not to mention, no, we dont need doctors. The same way we dont need lawyers. The problem is everyone is a robot or doesnt have enough TIME to learn anything(I wonder why) and wants someone else to be educated about a certain topic to help them. This is what leads to corruption and problems. If this country was a dictatorship, the profession of doctors and lawyers would seize to exist and only emergency care would exist, which would be free. Learn to take care of your own body instead of relying on someone else to take care of it.

You guys can try your best to win an argument on an internet forum about how great your lives were, but if they were so great you wouldnt be divorced and Zcore after supposedly making all this money, wouldnt live as a slave pit boss to a bunch of indians. LOL. So much for that. Not to mention if the story of his wealth is true, he likely took a shortcut, took out loans or got handouts from someone. Thats nothing to be proud of. All he did was further destroy the ecomomy like everyone else who wants free cheese.



Hey, ZK. SOOPOO's ex is a great woman, very accomplished in her own right, and they are still close friends and both close to their sons. All 4 of them have become friends of mine the last few years. So you can keep your narrow, shallow, incorrect generalizations of other members to yourself. Don't be attacking other people's families.
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October 27th, 2018 at 9:44:23 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

ZenKing has been able to choose what he wants to do. ZenKing also chooses to work in a casino. The only difference I see is ZenKing can go home whenever he wants. Could be debated that ZenKing has the even better gig.
I'm not putting you down for being a droned out pit critter, that's your choice. Why does everyone feel the need to criticize ZenKing for his choices. He is obviously happy with them despite not meeting society's accepted level of normal.
I don't see ZenKing asking for anyone to subsidize his existence. If you're not subsidizing it, why do you care?



You're giving him bad advice if you think the way things are for him right now is good. He's an accident or illness away from losing everything.

I'm not debating if he can choose to do what he want, where he wants. I'm debating his claims that he's the best AP in town, that the minimal amount of money he's made is anything to brag about, that pre-shuffled decks do anything to hurt his chances, that a casino can and will kick him out, ban him from the property and have him arrested if he returns after that.

I've also debated his claims in the past of casinos removing good cards so he can't win and that shufflers are rigged.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
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