BlackjackLover
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October 13th, 2018 at 11:33:53 AM permalink
Cashback is similar to surrender, but the amount of money you get back is dynamic. For example, if the dealer's face up card is a 10, the cashback amount is slightly less than 50%. But if the dealer's face up card is an ace, the cashback amount is much less than 50%. Also, you can cashback after you hit. Should I only use the cashback option against a 9 or 10?

I have another question about doubling. This game has a no-peek rule, but if the dealer's face up card is a 10, I will only lose the original bet if I double and the dealer gets a Blackjack. With this rule, if my hand total is 11, I should double against a 10, right?
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October 13th, 2018 at 2:02:29 PM permalink
Can you give me a convenient link where I can play this for free to answer your questions. New members can't post links, so disguise it a little.
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October 13th, 2018 at 2:12:13 PM permalink
Quote: BlackjackLover

Cashback is similar to surrender, but the amount of money you get back is dynamic. For example, if the dealer's face up card is a 10, the cashback amount is slightly less than 50%. But if the dealer's face up card is an ace, the cashback amount is much less than 50%. Also, you can cashback after you hit. Should I only use the cashback option against a 9 or 10?

I have another question about doubling. This game has a no-peek rule, but if the dealer's face up card is a 10, I will only lose the original bet if I double and the dealer gets a Blackjack. With this rule, if my hand total is 11, I should double against a 10, right?

I'd be interested in trying that game. Without all the facts, i tend to agree that you'd still double the 11 against 10.
We need to know the cashback % against Ace... I.e. how far below 50%?
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October 13th, 2018 at 3:32:35 PM permalink
I spent some time poking this, and recorded the info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vEKGGIENjXcInJuOPsaKOWU7CcUCLJGicz0sc5jEuW4/edit?usp=sharing

This is based off of the version you can play for free here: https://www.casinopedia.org/free-slots/cashback-blackjack

A few notes:
The records are based on a 10 euro bet. Red cells give a cashback of less than half.
There is cashback after hitting, but see the following point.
The cashback amount DOES depend on the composition. (For example, without checking exact values, 22245 may have a different cashback from T5.)
As far as I can tell, when multiple hands are played, the hands are considered independently. (TT, TT, TT, TT, 83 is equal in value to 55, 55, 55, 55, 83.)
Doubles and splits seem to be low... probably because they're based on an assumption of hitting?

Comparing them to https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/9/6dh17r4/ , it looks like a losing proposition over all.
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October 13th, 2018 at 5:14:47 PM permalink
You should not use the cashback.
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October 13th, 2018 at 6:41:34 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can you give me a convenient link where I can play this for free to answer your questions. New members can't post links, so disguise it a little.


You can use the link Venthus posted.

Quote: OnceDear

I'd be interested in trying that game. Without all the facts, i tend to agree that you'd still double the 11 against 10.
We need to know the cashback % against Ace... I.e. how far below 50%?


I just tried playing the version you can play for free. If you get a 5,J, and the dealer's face up card is an ace, the cashback amount is only 35.24%.

Quote: Venthus

I spent some time poking this, and recorded the info: /spreadsheets/d/1vEKGGIENjXcInJuOPsaKOWU7CcUCLJGicz0sc5jEuW4/edit?usp=sharing

This is based off of the version you can play for free here: /free-slots/cashback-blackjack

A few notes:
The records are based on a 10 euro bet. Red cells give a cashback of less than half.
There is cashback after hitting, but see the following point.
The cashback amount DOES depend on the composition. (For example, without checking exact values, 22245 may have a different cashback from T5.)
As far as I can tell, when multiple hands are played, the hands are considered independently. (TT, TT, TT, TT, 83 is equal in value to 55, 55, 55, 55, 83.)
Doubles and splits seem to be low... probably because they're based on an assumption of hitting?

Comparing them to /games/blackjack/appendix/9/6dh17r4/ , it looks like a losing proposition over all.


Thank you for the information. The appendix for the rules of this game is appendix/9/euro-6ds17r4/, by the way.

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You should not use the cashback.


Do you mean that I shouldn't use it at all? Could you please elaborate?
Last edited by: BlackjackLover on Oct 13, 2018
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October 14th, 2018 at 1:22:44 PM permalink
Yes, I mean that you should not use it at all.
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October 14th, 2018 at 3:18:49 PM permalink
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Yes, I mean that you should not use it at all.


Thank you for the clarification. By the way, if you get a 10,6, and the dealer's face up card is an ace, the cashback amount is only 33%. If your hard total is 15, and the dealer's face up card is a 10, the cashback amount is 45%. I guess the cashback option is pretty much useless.
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