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September 27th, 2018 at 1:06:09 PM permalink
Last night i decided to try my luck at the 21+3 side bet blackjack. Over a period of about 8 hours i - went down 300, and then proceeded to win 600 by betting the table minimum and putting $5 on the side bet every turn no matter what. I was successful this time to say the least. lots of flushs, had three 9s twice, and a striaght flush at one point as well. overall the side bets are not worth it when the table minimum is 25 and above, but when i catch a 15 and below table i love betting them. they come out more than the wins sometimes which is sad.

Edit - and i will also say that most of the time, i lost, so i dont think about it as a mindless side bet, i see it as im not playing blackjack, but 3 card poker, and when it came to blackjack i lost a lot of the hands, but the attempt at the side bet was actually profitable and more successful than attempting to win at blackjack. its funny because when a good hand does come, im not even worried about it - blackjack ... crap no flush or straight..., and on the flip side, when a bad hand does come, it didnt matter again as the 3 card hands came out more often then ... who cares i was betting 15 and had 10 on the main bet and 5 on the side so when it came to doubling or splitting it was nothing
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goodh2o1
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March 5th, 2019 at 4:06:46 PM permalink
I'm seeing the same thing your seeing. I'm up about 3000 in less than 10 hours. I'm in Indiana how about you?
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March 5th, 2019 at 4:15:53 PM permalink
guys... GUYS... the 21+3 side bet is a sucker bet. Nice that you had a lucky run, perfectly in keeping with normal variance. but do quit while you are ahead.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
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March 5th, 2019 at 4:16:05 PM permalink
What's the 3-card pay table?
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
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March 5th, 2019 at 6:06:01 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

What's the 3-card pay table?



If you're asking in general, I've only seen 9-9-9-9 for sfl/3oak/str/flu.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
goodh2o1
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March 5th, 2019 at 9:55:56 PM permalink
3 of a kind suited 270-1.
Straight flush 180-1.
3 of a kind unsuited 90-1.

At what point in a plus minus system does the game turn beatable?

I'm seeing it at plus or minus 6 seems to be the point to bet the side bet.
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:17:12 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

Last night i decided to try my luck at the 21+3 side bet blackjack. Over a period of about 8 hours i - went down 300, and then proceeded to win 600 by betting the table minimum and putting $5 on the side bet every turn no matter what. I was successful this time to say the least. lots of flushs, had three 9s twice, and a striaght flush at one point as well. overall the side bets are not worth it when the table minimum is 25 and above, but when i catch a 15 and below table i love betting them. they come out more than the wins sometimes which is sad.

Edit - and i will also say that most of the time, i lost, so i dont think about it as a mindless side bet, i see it as im not playing blackjack, but 3 card poker, and when it came to blackjack i lost a lot of the hands, but the attempt at the side bet was actually profitable and more successful than attempting to win at blackjack. its funny because when a good hand does come, im not even worried about it - blackjack ... crap no flush or straight..., and on the flip side, when a bad hand does come, it didnt matter again as the 3 card hands came out more often then ... who cares i was betting 15 and had 10 on the main bet and 5 on the side so when it came to doubling or splitting it was nothing



To sum this up, you played a side bet that has a negative 3.24% house edge that cannot be overcome in the long run , and you happened to get lucky.
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March 5th, 2019 at 11:44:51 PM permalink
Shuffle-up mid-shoe. What?
Beating the 21 + 3 Blackjack Side Bet: Some Really Cool Graphs https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bets/beating-the-21-3-blackjack-side-bet-some-really-cool-graphs

There's 21+3 Extreme in my area.
Perfect Play against the 21+3 Extreme Blackjack Side Bet https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bets/perfect-play-against-the-213-extreme-blackjack-side-bet

In particular the house edge for 21+3 is 3.24%, whereas the house edge for 21+3E is 13.39%.

There's also Match The Dealer BJ that has higher payouts & a higher house advantage than Match The Dealer in Spanish 21 in my area.
The following table shows Wizard's analysis in eight-deck blackjack when an unsuited match pays 3 to 1 and a suited match pays 14 to 1. - Blackjack ~3.67% HA
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/match-the-dealer/

The following table shows Wizard's analysis in eight-deck blackjack when an unsuited match pays 3 to 1 and a suited match pays 12 to 1. - Spanish 21 ~3.0% HA
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/match-the-dealer/
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March 6th, 2019 at 5:52:20 AM permalink
Thank you for the courtesy of a reply. None of the reference articles uses the correct pay table of:

3 of a kind suited paying 270-1.
Straight Flush paying 180-1.
3 of a kind unsuited 90-1.

Using these pay tables with a count of plus or minus 6 and higher is the casino advantage lower?
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March 6th, 2019 at 6:34:49 AM permalink
Quote: goodh2o1

Thank you for the courtesy of a reply. None of the reference articles uses the correct pay table of:

3 of a kind suited paying 270-1.
Straight Flush paying 180-1.
3 of a kind unsuited 90-1.

Using these pay tables with a count of plus or minus 6 and higher is the casino advantage lower?

I don't know the answer, but i'll throw back two questions:
What count are you using and why would a high count improve your chances with these side bets.
I mean, we all know how a shoe rich in tens can make an insurance bet advantageous, but surely something as simple as richness of tens does not easily correlate to an increased likelihood of a flush or three of a kind. Using a normal high low count is a pretty blunt tool, probably the wrong tool, to attack 21+3 side bet.

But at least it's something less researched than regular hi-lo counting. It just means you have more research to do from less sources.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..

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