dogqck
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:03:46 AM permalink
Hard to believe not one AP in all of Vegas could figure out to bet more at + 4 and less at -4. My, how the mighty have fallen.
lilredrooster
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:17:04 AM permalink
Quote: dogqck

Hard to believe not one AP in all of Vegas could figure out to bet more at + 4 and less at -4. My, how the mighty have fallen.




I don't think there are many, or possibly any who knew this was happening other than the OP. and it's still not clear if it really is happening.
so, if that was meant as a serious criticism it's not really valid.
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:27:45 AM permalink
Didn't read the post, but read your summary of it.

If anyone is accusing shufflers of cheating, it is #FakeNews. You can end the thread now.
lilredrooster
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:28:35 AM permalink
one of the most interesting things the OP said about those tables it that things had changed so there was no heat there
as everybody know that doesn't sound like the El Cortez.
if it's true and there is no cheating that would mean those tables are slammable
it it's true it sounds strange and you have to wonder

here is what he said about that in case anybody missed it:

" As continued to play while I suspected what was going on, I noticed something else. There is no heat at these games. Those that play EC regularly know that you frequently see other card counters, usually very low level, small spread and often questionable skill. And you have probably witnessed other counters backed off and likely been backed off yourself. Well at these two tables, card counters spread blatantly and receive no heat."
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
dogqck
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:39:40 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

I don't think there are many, or possibly any who knew this was happening other than the OP. and it's still not clear if it really is happening.
so, if that was meant as a serious criticism it's not really valid.



The OP on the other forum says he has won over a million dollars as an AP. I believe that as much as I believe in beast mode.
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:51:19 AM permalink
Quote: SM777

Didn't read the post, but read your summary of it.

If anyone is accusing shufflers of cheating, it is #FakeNews. You can end the thread now.



Prove it
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
TigerWu
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July 10th, 2018 at 9:59:46 AM permalink
I honestly have no idea how card shufflers work, but it doesn't seem like you can just "program it" to have it stack cards in a certain way. I would think there would have to be an entirely separate physical component added on to a fair machine to sort, hold, and stack the cards, and then put it back into circulation with the rest of the deck.
dogqck
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:00:00 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Prove it




Like that would settle anything. There are still dice setting schools. DUH
lilredrooster
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:05:55 AM permalink
I'm not saying I necessarily believe there is cheating there

but it's easy enough to find out if it's true that there is no heat at those tables he's referring to as he claims

any AP who lives in Vegas or is visiting should go there and see if there is no heat at those tables
and absolutely slam them if you believe there is no cheating
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
OnceDear
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:11:41 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I honestly have no idea how card shufflers work, but it doesn't seem like you can just "program it" to have it stack cards in a certain way. I would think there would have to be an entirely separate physical component added on to a fair machine to sort, hold, and stack the cards, and then put it back into circulation with the rest of the deck.

If a shuffle machine is capable of 'unshufflng' a deck, and It's generally accepted that they can, then it's a pretty basic modification to have it unshuffle them into some arbitrary but predetermined ( and configurable) order. So, as an engineer, I'd accept the possibility of it clumping the deck. But I'm far, FAR from convinced that a casino would do it. If they did, then a small number of players would analyse and spot what's happening and absolutely destroy those games.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..

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