Apology
I kind of started to answer my own questions the more I sat down and thought about it as I started viewing more and more practices that the casino uses. The possibility of a 'short pack' is eliminated because the pit bosses count the number of cards in the pit when changing the cards, etc and i dont think the casino would risk their business telling these pit bosses to be 'in' on it.
Secondly, the possibility of 10s and aces being replaced with extra 4s and 5s or 'stacking a deck' is eliminated as well because eventually more than 6 of these 4s or 5s will appear during a 6 deck shoe or more tham 8 in the case of an 8 deck shoe and i dont think a casino would obviously risk that in case someone is tracking that denomination.
Lastly, regarding ASMs being possibly programmed, I dont think this would be possible due to the system in place allowing the player to 'cut' the cards before play starts. Any pre-set configuration would be destroyed by random cuts from different people. I guess my only concern would be if the ASM was programmed to separate cards 'evenly' in such a way or distamce cwrtain cards from each other whereas the cut woukdnt even matter, but i dont think that would really do anything.
Regardless, the lack of casino transparency to customer still annoys me though because there isnt a rational explanation as to why they come pre shuffled instead of just coming in order if youre going to throw the cards into the ASM to shuffle it anyway.
My results performance has obviously frustrated me to no end as well, having prepared as much as I did back home to get my bankroll to a point where I can come here and play and withstand a losing streak while covering expenses. Then to get here and immediately start losing, right whem I first moved out on my own, the timing was awful and so unlucky to be -1.5 SD off the mark(still am by the way, but only 206 hours total). I guess i never actually thought I would go through it and wasnt prepared enough for it mentally even though I prepared for it with a decent size bankroll.
For anyone who still is willing to accept an apology for wasting everyones time, thats great, but it is what it is at this point.
Shit does happen and 1.5SD really isn't much. I should be 20K worse off than I am, over the last 4 years and about 3Million staked. And that's just lucky on my part.
So, I for one also apologise to for 'answering back' to some of your posts.
Onwards and upwards.
OD
ZCore13
Quote: ZKThe possibility of a 'short pack' is eliminated because the pit bosses count the number of cards in the pit when changing the cards, etc and i dont think the casino would risk their business telling these pit bosses to be 'in' on it.
ASM could "eat" a card or two here and there.
Quote: ZKSecondly, the possibility of 10s and aces being replaced with extra 4s and 5s or 'stacking a deck' is eliminated as well because eventually more than 6 of these 4s or 5s will appear during a 6 deck shoe or more tham 8 in the case of an 8 deck shoe and i dont think a casino would obviously risk that in case someone is tracking that denomination.
It's probably like 0.0000% chance they'd add any extra low cards because a card could come out more than 6 or 8 times in a shoe. However, the ASM could be theoretically programmed in such a way that it never allows more than 6 or 8 of said card to be within an X-range. IE: You put seven 4h's in a six-deck schute with 1.5 decks cut off, the ASM doesn't allow for all 7 to be within a 5.5 deck range (in case dealer's an idiot and cuts off 0.5 instead of 1.5 [like I used to do, I'd cut off 1/4 deck on DD instead of 2/3's of a deck, because I was told to "cut off 1/3'rd of the deck", boss meant 1/3'rd of the 2-decks, I did 1/3'rd of a single deck....and then some more because yolo. I once cut off like 10 cards on a 6D, lulz).
Quote: ZKLastly, regarding ASMs being possibly programmed, I dont think this would be possible due to the system in place allowing the player to 'cut' the cards before play starts. Any pre-set configuration would be destroyed by random cuts from different people. I guess my only concern would be if the ASM was programmed to separate cards 'evenly' in such a way or distamce cwrtain cards from each other whereas the cut woukdnt even matter, but i dont think that would really do anything.
I don't think anyone would suggest the ASM cards are literally programmed to make the player lose, but rather, so that the cards are not randomly distributed throughout the schute (I like saying schute because it's funny). Putting lots of ACES together with mid-ranged cards and not having many TENS near the ACES would make it so it's harder to hit a BJ. Or other types of clumps that would be bad for the playerz.
Quote: ZKRegardless, the lack of casino transparency to customer still annoys me though because there isnt a rational explanation as to why they come pre shuffled instead of just coming in order if youre going to throw the cards into the ASM to shuffle it anyway.
Yeah, that's pretty annoying. I mean, I can (in a way) understand why they'd want to speed up the process but at the same time, it's like.....idk, just seems worse IMO. If I'm a boss and I went through a deck before putting it into play, I'd like to make sure all the cards are there.
Quote: ZKMy results performance has obviously frustrated me to no end as well, having prepared as much as I did back home to get my bankroll to a point where I can come here and play and withstand a losing streak while covering expenses. Then to get here and immediately start losing, right whem I first moved out on my own, the timing was awful and so unlucky to be -1.5 SD off the mark(still am by the way, but only 206 hours total). I guess i never actually thought I would go through it and wasnt prepared enough for it mentally even though I prepared for it with a decent size bankroll.
I think you need to learn more about what being up or down X SD's means. At least from what it seems / I've gathered from your writing.
It doesn't matter if you're talking about 10 hours of play or 100,000 hours of play. You're just as likely/unlikely to be down 1.5 SD's whether it's a short session or your entire "life session". The untold difference, of course, is that after a zillion hours played, being down 1.5 SD's isn't all "that" bad, because you're still going to be well ahead. Instead of being up $500k you'll be up $400k, for instance.
Quote: ZenKinG
Regardless, the lack of casino transparency to customer still annoys me though because there isnt a rational explanation as to why they come pre shuffled instead of just coming in order if youre going to throw the cards into the ASM to shuffle it anyway.
Do you mean when the table opens and the dealer is setting up? Sometimes the cards are re-used for more than just one day.
Quote: RSIt doesn't matter if you're talking about 10 hours of play or 100,000 hours of play. You're just as likely/unlikely to be down 1.5 SD's whether it's a short session or your entire "life session". The untold difference, of course, is that after a zillion hours played, being down 1.5 SD's isn't all "that" bad, because you're still going to be well ahead. Instead of being up $500k you'll be up $400k, for instance.
I understand standard deviation,. I guess i shouldnt be clumping hours with SD to make one think that i shoudnt be down X SD based on number of hours played. I was just referencing how long I played and thats its been frustrating. I believe you mentioned this a while go as well. Good observation and I understand why you thought that, but thats not what I was getting at.
I can't remember when;
But I have this funny feeling;
That we'll all be together again.
No straight lines make up my life;
And all my roads have bends;
There's no clear-cut beginnings;
And so far no dead-ends.
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Quote: GlenGDo you mean when the table opens and the dealer is setting up? Sometimes the cards are re-used for more than just one day.
Yes when the table opens for the first time in the day and they receive new cards.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's nice that you apologized for wasting everyone's time. But are they all still a bunch of fa**ots? (-;
Never directed that at the forum. Was just the casino industry in general. Just another anger burst. I guess if i do it again i deserve to be banned permanently. Is what it is. Its honestly my way of venting out my frustration at times. Hasnt been so much the losing but the timing of it all. To get here moving out on my own first time in my life and immediately start losing for hundreds of hours. I also did not stick to my original plan of playimg 25-30 hours a week when I got here. Im aware 200 hrs isnt a big enough sample size to throw out cheating claims either, but the frustration got to me. More frustrated with my results than anything else.
Like i said, i prepared for vegas with my bankroll, but i dont think i actually prepared for it 'actually' happenimg and then i froze with being scared to log hours and lose my bankroll
Does any of the plan involve mom's basement?😁
Quote: MaxPenSo, what is the plan going forward?
Does any of the plan involve mom's basement?😁
No im not leaving town. Besides my parents already sold their house and living in an apartment until my dad retires in a couple of months. Then they are moving to another state. Even if they didnt sell their house, I would never return home and be labeled a failure and have people say 'they told me so'. I would find a job before any of that happened and play on the side.
Right now im working on a very high potential online gaming business while also playing blackjack on the side. Bankroll is slightly under 43k and had to reduce my max bet to 2x150. So depressing. My EV is now only around 35 - 40 an hour.
Gl bud
I wish I could have lived with my parents untill I was in my 30's too.Quote: ZenKinGTo get here moving out on my own first time in my life
Over/Under?Quote: PokerGrinderIt’s nice to know you aren’t claiming cheating anymore.
Quote: ZenKinGNo im not leaving town.
Quote: AxelWolfI wish I could have lived with my parents untill I was in my 30's too.
Who said i was in my 30s? Lol
Mastering your state of mind is a monster
step Keep playing understand long negative
variance is afoot it's gonna turn it always does.
Late 20's, early 30's, same difference. I had my own place at 17. I didn't get kicked out or anything, I choose to have my privacy.Quote: ZenKinGWho said i was in my 30s? Lol
I remember that nasty email I sent to the Director of Table Games at Tuscany Suites long ago. I had just looked at their website that was full of 'the odds are in your favor' statements and I essentially told the guy that I would be in Vegas in six weeks and if that website nonsense didn't change but quick I would notify the Gaming Board about it. Players want the casinos to be honest and above board and that means no lies. In three days there was a press release about a professional web design firm having been hired by them. In a few days after that, all the lies disappeared from the website.
We all knew that nothing was going on inside the automatic shuffler or the dealer's sleeve. Losing streaks happen and that can mean from Day One Bet One. Anger, frustration, and often later regrets follow. I recall going down to the Indian casino and getting three blackjacks in a row right off the bat... but ending up losing my shirt. I didn't blame the dealer or the "stacked" deck or the tiny little guy inside that shoe though.
I'm really surprised you only have ~200 hours... how long have you been out in vegas now? Months? You should be getting 20-30 table hours every week. If you've been out there for just 3 months (I think it's been a lot longer?) then that would still be 240 hours on the LOW side. Hmmm, now I recall you were out there when I was out there last June/July. Holy shit you should have like 1,000 hours. Have you been trying to learn/study other things, or just very selective of your games? As I always say when it comes to vegas: It's quantity, not quality! Find the places with low/no heat, even if they have poor rules, and just pound away.
Quote: FleaStiff
I remember that nasty email I sent to the Director of Table Games at Tuscany Suites long ago. I had just looked at their website that was full of 'the odds are in your favor' statements and I essentially told the guy that I would be in Vegas in six weeks and if that website nonsense didn't change but quick I would notify the Gaming Board about it. Players want the casinos to be honest and above board and that means no lies. In three days there was a press release about a professional web design firm having been hired by them. In a few days after that, all the lies disappeared from the website.
Omg. Dude, you didn't. That's pretty funny.
Quote: ZenKinGYes when the table opens for the first time in the day and they receive new cards.
Yeah, dealers usually check and wash them anyways. And like I already said, sometimes cards are used for more than one day/shift
Quote: GlenGYeah, dealers usually check and wash them anyways. And like I already said, sometimes cards are used for more than one day/shift
I understand ZK blowing off steam but it seemed to be more than that. Heck I'm pretty sure that that multistrike machine's fixed downstairs... Had a terrible run at it...
Anyways your apology was probably the most magnamous thing anyone has said on WoV for a long time. Coming from you, too. Sincerity and integrity are good values to have.
Survey says:
Quote: AxelWolfIt's nice that you apologized for wasting everyone's time. But are they all still a bunch of fa**ots? (-;
Among circles of friends, that is a term of affection.
You mean kinda like." hey, what up f*gs", when you see your buddies? Or how girls say, "what up bitches" to each other?Quote: prozemaAmong circles of friends, that is a term of affection.
Quote: AxelWolfYou mean kinda like. hey, what up f*gs when you see your buddies? Or how girls say what up bitches to each other?
Exactly.
I'm well versed in such shenanigans.Quote: prozemaExactly.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm well versed in such shenanigans.
All the cool kids are...
Quote: AxelWolfYou mean kinda like." hey, what up f*gs", when you see your buddies? Or how girls say, "what up bitches" to each other?
When I was 12 in the late 90's, my teacher said you should be ready to fight someone if they called you a "B" now "B" is seen as a good thing. My how times have changed. ;)
Quote: NathanWhen I was 12 in the late 90's, my teacher said you should be ready to fight someone if they called you a "B" now "B" is seen as a good thing. My how times have changed. ;)
For some reason I did not picture you being in your early 30s now
:)
Quote: gamerfreakWhat have you been doing for a year in Vegas if you’ve only worked 200 hours?
First of all it's not just 200 hours, I must have put in over 250 hours of walking alone. When I say 200 hours, I mean of actual backcounting/table time. Besides I had a total of 4 months where I was doing other things, whether it was me going back home for the holidays as well as 2 months competing in this qualification for this international video game tournament that I've qualified for 4 times before in the past as well as 2 months working on this new business.
Quote: gamerfreakWhat have you been doing for a year in Vegas if you’ve only worked 200 hours?
When I visit Vegas, I spend 200 hours sitting in traffic.
Quote: ZenKinGI guess its time to end the cheating nonsense ive been so worried about for the past 9 months. All it's caused me is more stress than I needed.
I kind of started to answer my own questions the more I sat down and thought about it as I started viewing more and more practices that the casino uses. The possibility of a 'short pack' is eliminated because the pit bosses count the number of cards in the pit when changing the cards, etc and i dont think the casino would risk their business telling these pit bosses to be 'in' on it.
Secondly, the possibility of 10s and aces being replaced with extra 4s and 5s or 'stacking a deck' is eliminated as well because eventually more than 6 of these 4s or 5s will appear during a 6 deck shoe or more tham 8 in the case of an 8 deck shoe and i dont think a casino would obviously risk that in case someone is tracking that denomination.
Lastly, regarding ASMs being possibly programmed, I dont think this would be possible due to the system in place allowing the player to 'cut' the cards before play starts. Any pre-set configuration would be destroyed by random cuts from different people. I guess my only concern would be if the ASM was programmed to separate cards 'evenly' in such a way or distamce cwrtain cards from each other whereas the cut woukdnt even matter, but i dont think that would really do anything.
Regardless, the lack of casino transparency to customer still annoys me though because there isnt a rational explanation as to why they come pre shuffled instead of just coming in order if youre going to throw the cards into the ASM to shuffle it anyway.
My results performance has obviously frustrated me to no end as well, having prepared as much as I did back home to get my bankroll to a point where I can come here and play and withstand a losing streak while covering expenses. Then to get here and immediately start losing, right whem I first moved out on my own, the timing was awful and so unlucky to be -1.5 SD off the mark(still am by the way, but only 206 hours total). I guess i never actually thought I would go through it and wasnt prepared enough for it mentally even though I prepared for it with a decent size bankroll.
For anyone who still is willing to accept an apology for wasting everyones time, thats great, but it is what it is at this point.
Less than 30 days..who had that bet?
Quote: GlenGLess than 30 days..who had that bet?
Post of the day.
Quote: GlenGLess than 30 days..who had that bet?
I had the under, but what did I miss. I've also got the under with the line at 12 months for total destruction.
ZCore13
Quote: ZenKinGGlen, I was joking about the stacked deck of 4s and 5s on the recording equipment thread so the jokes on you.
Were you though? It's hard to tell with you.
Quote: GlenGWere you though? It's hard to tell with you.
He was probably joking about who controls the government and all that other rubbish too.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13He was probably joking about who controls the government and all that other rubbish too.
ZCore13
If the answer is the Jews, that is true. I am Jewish I can confirm it haha
Quote: GlenGIf the answer is the Jews, that is true. I am Jewish I can confirm it haha
If his ideas on the subject were only that simple. LOL.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13If his ideas on the subject were only that simple. LOL.
ZCore13
Haha
Quote: MaxPenAll I see is two people trolling a member in good standing.
You must have missed the Wizards post then? Or are you just afraid to mention him?
Now get back on topic.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13You must have missed the Wizards post then? Or are you just afraid to mention him?
Now get back on topic.
ZCore13
Yeah, I guess his one snide remark encouraged you and GlenG to think you have free license for a whole page of trolling a member in good standing.
