MrV
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December 15th, 2017 at 5:55:45 PM permalink
Not that I want to pee on the cornflakes of any of the AP's, but good god, are the folks in charge of game security for the casinos stupid?

I'm talking about edge sorting, which involves sharp-eyed players taking advantage of discernible differences in the way the pattern is printed on playing cards.

Why not use cards with nothing along the edges: either solid colors, or solid colors with a small logo or small design in the center?

Or insist that card manufacturers modify their production technique such that no variation in cards result.

Seems like a no-brainer.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:15:02 PM permalink
Poor manufacturing quality control.
They need to hire an edge shorter in the QC dept
Don't let this crap go out till they fix the production process.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:16:59 PM permalink
The last would be difficult. Cards are printed in sheets which are then cut. I dont know of any cutting machine that would be able to align every cut from loaded sheets 100% perfect every time
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:36:48 PM permalink
The kinds of small "registration" errors that you refer to also occur in stamps, comic books, dollar bills (currency) and almost anything that is mass printed.

Precision in printing and manufacturing is possible (think of integrated circuits), however precision = money.

Do you know anything about the engineering science of manufacturing systems? about high-speed printing processes? When something seems like a no-brainer to you, it may be because you don't understand the subject.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:58:53 PM permalink
Borderless cards can still be vulnerable.

I also donít believe that every deck of vulnerable designs are sortable.

I have a feeling there arenít a huge amount of edge sorting opportunities anymore, but I could be 100% wrong.
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December 15th, 2017 at 8:33:54 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Borderless cards can still be vulnerable.

I also donít believe that every deck of vulnerable designs are sortable.

I have a feeling there arenít a huge amount of edge sorting opportunities anymore, but I could be 100% wrong.



Never heard of casino's allowing players to "turn" cards until this Ivey/Sun saga. I also asked about this so called "Macau" style of dealing out the four cards face down before wagering is done during my recent trip to Nagaworld(Phnom Penh, Macau copy) and they looked at me like I was an idiot. For what it's worth, they buy their cards in China, not Japan.
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December 15th, 2017 at 8:42:55 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Why not use cards with nothing along the edges: either solid colors, or solid colors with a small logo or small design in the center?

Or insist that card manufacturers modify their production technique such that no variation in cards result.

Seems like a no-brainer.



More and more casinos are using cards that can't be edge sorted. I think they are a little more expensive.
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December 16th, 2017 at 10:28:31 AM permalink
They don't even have to do that. They just need to turn half of the deck before putting it back in the shuffler.
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December 16th, 2017 at 11:07:02 AM permalink
Quote: MrV


Why not use cards with nothing along the edges: either solid colors, or solid colors with a small logo or small design in the center?



I think a lot of casinos are already doing this -- using those cards with the "faded" white borders. At least, that's what I saw a lot of in Vegas last time I was there

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are the folks in charge of game security for the casinos stupid?



Maybe some... One time I met a person in charge of casino security (not sure of their position but definitely some kind of manager) and I started asking about some real basic card cheating moves since I was really into magic at the time. They had no idea what I was talking about. This was not in Vegas, though.
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December 16th, 2017 at 11:29:32 AM permalink
The amount of white that is visible along the edge is just as effective as a printed edge. So stopping the printing to the edge doesn't really solve the problem.

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