racquet
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November 18th, 2017 at 12:37:29 PM permalink
Recently someone at my table got a tap on the shoulder. Seems the guy had a phone dongle stuck in his ear - one of the ones where the earpiece looks like a small flash drive with a microphone. He wasn't using it, but someone noticed, and so he got a visit. He put it in his pocket and nothing more ensued.

I guess it would be possible to use an IPhone-sized device to count a game, and somehow relay that information to the player. I recall (was it Ken Huston?) who built a toe-tapping device that lit up LEDs in the user's eyeglasse. You kept count with your feet. So obviously technology has to have advanced to do that better.

I would think that a wireless arrangement where the counter is not playing, but counting, and the player gets notified of the time to up his bet would make the most sense.

So a couple of questions.

How do the casinos track the constantly evolving technology? Keeping someone from whipping out their IPhone can only offer so much protection, with new devices coming onto the market all the time.

Do the casinos monitor wireless traffic? Can you even do that? Could I establish a wireless connection between two of my own devices without the casino being the wiser?
FleaStiff
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November 18th, 2017 at 1:14:26 PM permalink
Casinos look for anything out of the ordinary.

Toe Tappers are considered to be using a rudimentary counting device.

Close Sitters, particularly males, are considered to be passing cards.

Anyone with an assistive device is suspect. Come up to the end of a craps table in a wheel chair and someone will walk around the table with a cheap compass just to make sure there have been no sudden changes in magnetic fields that could affect loaded dice that may have been slipped into the game. The compass is usually stored in the Craps Pit for ready access.

Anyone with wires, hand tools, etc. gets stopped at the door.

Yes. Casinos monitor wireless traffic on their networks. That is how a casino learned that its new aquarium program was downloading accounting data. The M Casino is thought to be the most electronically protected network in a casino. They have lots of unused capacity but they closely monitor what goes on.
Zcore13
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November 18th, 2017 at 2:02:54 PM permalink
I can't be too specific, and the technology used varies greatly by the size of the casino. Wireless transission can be monitored, but I do not believe any casino listens to or views personal communication from a cell phone.

At its most basic though, I could walk a casino floor and detect rf signals. Any casino, Any size can afford that technogy. Signal strength could lead me almost right to an intechnology. I would say a very, very small percentage of casinos do this though.

The most common issue is personal electronic devices. Smart watches, smart phones and portable devices disguised as ordinary items such as ear pieces and car alarms. This is the most common threat to BJ these day and its why most casinos just don't allow any electronic item at the table.

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Hunterhill
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November 18th, 2017 at 2:08:59 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I can't be too specific, and the technology used varies greatly by the size of the casino. Wireless transission can be monitored, but I do not believe any casino listens to or views personal communication from a cell phone.

At its most basic though, I could walk a casino floor and detect rf signals. Any casino, Any size can afford that technogy. Signal strength could lead me almost right to an intechnology. I would say a very, very small percentage of casinos do this though.

The most common issue is personal electronic devices. Smart watches, smart phones and portable devices disguised as ordinary items such as ear pieces and car alarms. This is the most common threat to BJ these day and its why most casinos just don't allow any electronic item at the table.

ZCore13


Casinos definitely view personal communication ie..text messages.
There are numerous entries in databases Osn, biometrica that mention this.
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Zcore13
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November 18th, 2017 at 2:20:30 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Casinos definitely view personal communication ie..text messages.
There are numerous entries in databases Osn, biometrica that mention this.



I'd have to see them but the entries could also be information obtained about texts from a person or their device, not necessarily from intercepting the transmission.

If this were done, it would be public knowledge/information. Too many in the business to keep it under wraps.

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Hunterhill
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November 18th, 2017 at 2:41:21 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I'd have to see them but the entries could also be information obtained about texts from a person or their device, not necessarily from intercepting the transmission.

If this were done, it would be public knowledge/information. Too many in the business to keep it under wraps.

ZCore13


We I don't know if you call it intercepting,but basically surveillance zooms in and reads people's texts.
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Zcore13
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November 18th, 2017 at 2:47:05 PM permalink
Yes, surveillance could definitely read your phone if you have it out in the open. I could see that happening if they are eatching you for some reason. Pretty easy to avoid that if you choose to though. Also, doesn't really fall under audio surveillance.


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rxwine
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November 18th, 2017 at 4:36:27 PM permalink
I bypassed wireless detection and used actual audio signals to communicate information. Only dogs and bats could hear it and other people with the right device.

I didn't. But there is probably no end to possible innovation I think.
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November 18th, 2017 at 5:25:00 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Casinos definitely view personal communication ie..text messages.
There are numerous entries in databases Osn, biometrica that mention this.

Is there something on the market, either an app or special screen cover that can block cameras from seeing what your phone is showing, yet still allow the person to view it themselves without any special glasses or whatever?

I would definitely buy something like that and know many others that would as well.
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Zcore13
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November 18th, 2017 at 5:30:43 PM permalink
Yes, there are screen protectors. Similar to computer screens that you can't see unless directly in front of it.

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