Using your phone at the table
I guess it would be possible to use an IPhone-sized device to count a game, and somehow relay that information to the player. I recall (was it Ken Huston?) who built a toe-tapping device that lit up LEDs in the user's eyeglasse. You kept count with your feet. So obviously technology has to have advanced to do that better.
I would think that a wireless arrangement where the counter is not playing, but counting, and the player gets notified of the time to up his bet would make the most sense.
So a couple of questions.
How do the casinos track the constantly evolving technology? Keeping someone from whipping out their IPhone can only offer so much protection, with new devices coming onto the market all the time.
Do the casinos monitor wireless traffic? Can you even do that? Could I establish a wireless connection between two of my own devices without the casino being the wiser?
Toe Tappers are considered to be using a rudimentary counting device.
Close Sitters, particularly males, are considered to be passing cards.
Anyone with an assistive device is suspect. Come up to the end of a craps table in a wheel chair and someone will walk around the table with a cheap compass just to make sure there have been no sudden changes in magnetic fields that could affect loaded dice that may have been slipped into the game. The compass is usually stored in the Craps Pit for ready access.
Anyone with wires, hand tools, etc. gets stopped at the door.
Yes. Casinos monitor wireless traffic on their networks. That is how a casino learned that its new aquarium program was downloading accounting data. The M Casino is thought to be the most electronically protected network in a casino. They have lots of unused capacity but they closely monitor what goes on.
At its most basic though, I could walk a casino floor and detect rf signals. Any casino, Any size can afford that technogy. Signal strength could lead me almost right to an intechnology. I would say a very, very small percentage of casinos do this though.
The most common issue is personal electronic devices. Smart watches, smart phones and portable devices disguised as ordinary items such as ear pieces and car alarms. This is the most common threat to BJ these day and its why most casinos just don't allow any electronic item at the table.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I can't be too specific, and the technology used varies greatly by the size of the casino. Wireless transission can be monitored, but I do not believe any casino listens to or views personal communication from a cell phone.
At its most basic though, I could walk a casino floor and detect rf signals. Any casino, Any size can afford that technogy. Signal strength could lead me almost right to an intechnology. I would say a very, very small percentage of casinos do this though.
The most common issue is personal electronic devices. Smart watches, smart phones and portable devices disguised as ordinary items such as ear pieces and car alarms. This is the most common threat to BJ these day and its why most casinos just don't allow any electronic item at the table.
ZCore13
Casinos definitely view personal communication ie..text messages.
There are numerous entries in databases Osn, biometrica that mention this.
Quote: HunterhillCasinos definitely view personal communication ie..text messages.
There are numerous entries in databases Osn, biometrica that mention this.
I'd have to see them but the entries could also be information obtained about texts from a person or their device, not necessarily from intercepting the transmission.
If this were done, it would be public knowledge/information. Too many in the business to keep it under wraps.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I'd have to see them but the entries could also be information obtained about texts from a person or their device, not necessarily from intercepting the transmission.
If this were done, it would be public knowledge/information. Too many in the business to keep it under wraps.
ZCore13
We I don't know if you call it intercepting,but basically surveillance zooms in and reads people's texts.
ZCore13
Is there something on the market, either an app or special screen cover that can block cameras from seeing what your phone is showing, yet still allow the person to view it themselves without any special glasses or whatever?Quote: HunterhillCasinos definitely view personal communication ie..text messages.
There are numerous entries in databases Osn, biometrica that mention this.
I would definitely buy something like that and know many others that would as well.
ZCore13
Does anyone know if that works because of the distance or the angle?Quote: Zcore13Yes, there are screen protectors. Similar to computer screens that you can't see unless directly in front of it.
ZCore13
People next me were told by casino staff NOT to film their play.
WGAS, it's only slots.
Quote: AxelWolfDoes anyone know if that works because of the distance or the angle?
It's a polarized type film that protects sideways but allows vertical angles. You would want it applied 90° off from the usual direction, because you want to protect from an overhead shot.
So, get one meant for a tablet or laptop, and cut it down in the perpendicular to fit your phone.
If I'm understanding correctly, it's not really much help. Basically, I can cup my phone using both hands(this will block viewing from the sides) and just tilt my phone about 12' from my chest while tilting the top down it towards me like I do now.Quote: beachbumbabsIt's a polarized type film that protects sideways but allows vertical angles. You would want it applied 90° off from the usual direction, because you want to protect from an overhead shot.
So, get one meant for a tablet or laptop, and cut it down in the perpendicular to fit your phone.
Any angle? Are you sure it has to be completely flat for them to read it? Where is this information coming from and how sure are you? Is there any camera filter of some kind that can defeat this kind of stuff? It doesn't seem like a hard thing to defeat. I would almost think the same stuff added to a camera might even work.Quote: beachbumbabsIt would make your phone unreadable from above unless it's lying flat on a surface. If you hold it at an angle, while reading or typing, you can look straight on into it, they can't read it by zooming in.
I would hate to think I'm safe and then get carless. I'm not so concerned about myself since I'm fairly cautious, I just think some others may not be as cautious as I am. I would also like to have the ability to text freely in the open without having to worry about it.
I sure would like to see a test done with this stuff.
What about just having your text color and background in 2 tones of green?
Quote: AxelWolfWhat about just having your text color and background in 2 tones of green?
What, you think surveillance people are dogs?
Just buy two sets of polarized screen film stuff. Put one on like normal and the other one on at a 90 degree angle. Buy a pair of polarized sunglasses, and ta-da, your phone can only be read if you're wearing polarized sunglasses (or some other form of polarized film between the phone and your eyes).
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqZHYo7ONs
Although, I'd double check to make sure it works as intended before doing that to your phone. I'm not sure at which angle you'd have to hold your phone in order for you to be able to see it. Also, warning -- you'd only be able to see your phone while wearing polarized sunglasses.
At least, it'd work in theory.
Filming your own slot play is more a "those dumb security guards need one rule" since they can't exercise judgment. Also if you are videoing "x" they never know when you will sweep around and video something or someone else. They don't want you videoing locations of security cameras or the like, just put your money in and play it.
Filming your own slot play is more a "those dumb security guards need one rule" since they can't exercise judgment. Also if you are videoing "x" they never know when you will sweep around and video something or someone else. They don't want you videoing locations of security cameras or the like, just put your money in and play it.
Quote: AxelWolfAny angle? Are you sure it has to be completely flat for them to read it? Where is this information coming from and how sure are you? Is there any camera filter of some kind that can defeat this kind of stuff? It doesn't seem like a hard thing to defeat. I would almost think the same stuff added to a camera might even work.
I would hate to think I'm safe and then get carless. I'm not so concerned about myself since I'm fairly cautious, I just think some others may not be as cautious as I am. I would also like to have the ability to text freely in the open without having to worry about it.
I sure would like to see a test done with this stuff.
What about just having your text color and background in 2 tones of green?
It was a poor choice of words to describe it as polarized, though it's possible a polarized film would work. This stuff is more like tiny clear miniblinds: head-on, they're not there, but the more angled you get, the more opaque the screen appears. I think they call it lenticular. It only takes about 15-20° off-center before it's unreadable.
In which case what does it matter whatever the play the proverbial boom is avout to drop.
Bottom line. If surveillance is monitoring your texts hiding them is pointless because YOU are under surveillance. Find a new casino or ride out the AP move until the inevitable backoff
Quote: darkozWith 1500 - 2000 cameras and thousands of people to watch there is no way any security staff is zooming in to see what any individual is texting at any given moment UNLESS that person has already been flagged for scrutiny
In which case what does it matter whatever the play the proverbial boom is avout to drop.
Bottom line. If surveillance is monitoring your texts hiding them is pointless because YOU are under surveillance. Find a new casino or ride out the AP move until the inevitable backoff.
If I am under scrutiny, I'd much rather not allow the surveillance to read my texts. Also, the scrutiny may not last a long time. It may only last a little while and if I "pass" the test, then I'm good. Rather him not be able to see a message and him be like, "Oh sh**, he's up to something" or "Writing/receiving that message is a bit suspicious" and keeps watching.
Of course, having a phone that surveillance can't see might even be worse, since they may come to the conclusion that I'm wanting to hide something. Then again, screen/viewing protectors are a relatively well known thing, so maybe he'd just assume I'm like anyone else with one.
The best thing to do, of course, is don't use your phone in the casino! (Do as I say, not as I do.)
Quote: RSIf I am under scrutiny, I'd much rather not allow the surveillance to read my texts. Also, the scrutiny may not last a long time. It may only last a little while and if I "pass" the test, then I'm good. Rather him not be able to see a message and him be like, "Oh sh**, he's up to something" or "Writing/receiving that message is a bit suspicious" and keeps watching.
Of course, having a phone that surveillance can't see might even be worse, since they may come to the conclusion that I'm wanting to hide something. Then again, screen/viewing protectors are a relatively well known thing, so maybe he'd just assume I'm like anyone else with one.
The best thing to do, of course, is don't use your phone in the casino! (Do as I say, not as I do.)
I doubt if surveillance has determined you are worth that type of scrutiny (zooming in to read your texts) that any "smell test" is being conducted. At that point they have already observed something highly suspicious and are just building their case
Your career at that casino is hanging by damocles sword
Surveillance: "that guy did something suspicious enough for us to read his texts. Lets try to allay our fears" NOT
Quote: darkozQuote: RSIf I am under scrutiny, I'd much rather not allow the surveillance to read my texts. Also, the scrutiny may not last a long time. It may only last a little while and if I "pass" the test, then I'm good. Rather him not be able to see a message and him be like, "Oh sh**, he's up to something" or "Writing/receiving that message is a bit suspicious" and keeps watching.
Of course, having a phone that surveillance can't see might even be worse, since they may come to the conclusion that I'm wanting to hide something. Then again, screen/viewing protectors are a relatively well known thing, so maybe he'd just assume I'm like anyone else with one.
The best thing to do, of course, is don't use your phone in the casino! (Do as I say, not as I do.)
I doubt if surveillance has determined you are worth that type of scrutiny (zooming in to read your texts) that any "smell test" is being conducted. At that point they have already observed something highly suspicious and are just building their case
Your career at that casino is hanging by damocles sword
Surveillance: "that guy did something suspicious enough for us to read his texts. Lets try to allay our fears" NOT
Your comments imply very little of your AP has been table games. The majority of casinos (by far, 75%) sweat the shit out of the money on table games and absolutely happens all the time a player is under scrutiny and then is not. All. The . Time. More often than they remain under suspicion likely.
If it's to the extent they're trying to read your texts who knows, tough to know what a voyeuristic creep behind a camera is thinking if you're not wired that way, a few of them may zoom in on many people due to sick tendencies that might draw one to that job (unless Cellini a career surveillance director lied in his book, absolutely a lot of creepy stuff goes on up there.)
Quote: mcallister3200
Your comments imply very little of your AP has been table games. The majority of casinos (by far) sweat the shit out of the money on table games and absolutely happens all the time a player is under scrutiny and then is not. All. The . Time. More often than they remain under suspicion likely. If it's to the extent they're trying to read your texts who knows, tough to know what a voyeuristic creep behind a camera is thinking if you're not wired that way.
I agree with this completely. Casinos can quickly become bizarre when it comes to protecting Table Games, even those that do not require protecting. I remember the one time I hit a six-point Fire Bet (someone else had tossed me the dollar to make it because I'd previously made them some money on a good roll...or rather, the dice did) anyway, the security guy was there staring daggers into me.
I assumed that it was just because the hand had to be finished prior to the payout, of course. However, even after I eventually sevened-out and everyone at the table said, "Keep the dice!" he was still there staring straight into my friggin' soul. It was nothing short of creepy and bizarre. After ten or twelve more rolls, I sevened out again and couldn't have been happier to get the Hell away from that table and out of the casino.
Just my 2¢ worth!
Dog Hand
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: darkozQuote: RSIf I am under scrutiny, I'd much rather not allow the surveillance to read my texts. Also, the scrutiny may not last a long time. It may only last a little while and if I "pass" the test, then I'm good. Rather him not be able to see a message and him be like, "Oh sh**, he's up to something" or "Writing/receiving that message is a bit suspicious" and keeps watching.
Of course, having a phone that surveillance can't see might even be worse, since they may come to the conclusion that I'm wanting to hide something. Then again, screen/viewing protectors are a relatively well known thing, so maybe he'd just assume I'm like anyone else with one.
The best thing to do, of course, is don't use your phone in the casino! (Do as I say, not as I do.)
I doubt if surveillance has determined you are worth that type of scrutiny (zooming in to read your texts) that any "smell test" is being conducted. At that point they have already observed something highly suspicious and are just building their case
Your career at that casino is hanging by damocles sword
Surveillance: "that guy did something suspicious enough for us to read his texts. Lets try to allay our fears" NOT
Your comments imply very little of your AP has been table games. The majority of casinos (by far, 75%) sweat the shit out of the money on table games and absolutely happens all the time a player is under scrutiny and then is not. All. The . Time. More often than they remain under suspicion likely.
If it's to the extent they're trying to read your texts who knows, tough to know what a voyeuristic creep behind a camera is thinking if you're not wired that way, a few of them may zoom in on many people due to sick tendencies that might draw one to that job (unless Cellini a career surveillance director lied in his book, absolutely a lot of creepy stuff goes on up there.)
Yes that is true. I would say barely 1% of my AP is table games and even then i would stick to e-table games if i could
With table games generally having much less installs in a casino i can see where there may be the possibilty for advanced scrutiny.
Quote: DogHandWhile we're on the subject of cell phones in casinos, may I offer a word of advice: don't use "screen names" from this (or any other AP site) to identify your contacts. Just imagine what a surveillance operator who lurks on these boards would think if your contact list contained "Norm W", "bigplayer", "Stanford Wong", "Don S", etc.
Just my 2¢ worth!
Dog Hand
I agree with this,anything really sensitive I will go to the restroom to text,or I also use code words and slang from different languages so even if it was read no one could understand it.
Quote: ChampCraziest thing....I was playing at a high limit BJ table at Caesars in Vegas on Sunday, Nov o other players, who knew each other, openly had their cell phones on at the table, following football games on which they had ither the dealer nor the pit boss said a metimes the dealer even had to get their attention as it was their turn to play their ybe Caesars has changed their policy toward phones at the tables? Crazy....
A high limit table at Caesars? How much were they betting? If they were high rollers I'm sure the management lets them get away with a lot more.
$300....doesn't seem big enough for special treatment but I watched it go on for a couple hours very strange....
