TigerWu
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smoothgrh
July 7th, 2017 at 1:04:41 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

The other type of creep is percentage creep. I was once taught 15%, now it's acceptable at 30%. I only wish real wages would rise by percentages. There's no particular reason why today's tip receiver deserves on average higher percentage is there?. Are they really working harder than service people of old?

Actually, I think it was as low as 10% at one time. 15 was for better service.



I was taught years ago back in the 80's that a good rule of thumb for tipping was 10% for breakfast, 15% for lunch, and 20% for dinner. That's how I did it for most of my life. I casually mentioned that to some younger people and they just about lost their minds, like I was the cheapest skinflint in the world and responsible for the downfall of the middle class. They were like, "NO! 20% at an absolute MINIMUM at all times, preferably more like 25% at least, no matter what, no matter how shitty the service is!"

I'll tip more than 10% nowadays, but I'm still within the 15-20% range most of the time. If the service is absolutely exceptional I'll go a little higher.

Oh, one more thing to add to the "creep" factor... you're only supposed to tip on the BEFORE tax total (again, that's what I was taught years ago as proper etiquette), but I've noticed on receipts nowadays they have tip recommendations based on the AFTER tax total.
Rigondeaux
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July 7th, 2017 at 1:11:01 PM permalink
It can be a very minor annoyance. It can also be helpful if they tell you about something you didn't know about.

If the biggest downside of a system that generates millions of middle class jobs is that I occasionally say "no thanks" to the tripple chocolate brownie bomb, then I will heroically carry that burdin.
RS
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July 7th, 2017 at 2:24:06 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I see crowdfunding with things like podcasting/streaming as a little different. The customer isn't paying for the product to begin with, and the content producer usually isn't an employee of a larger entity.

Why can every other industry beyond the service industry survive without tipping? I realize part of it is so the employee hopefully works a little harder for a tip, but if I hired someone to build a deck, I don't expect whether or not the thing falls apart to be based on an unspecified amount of money I pay the worker.

I always try to tip decently, I just don't like the concept.


Because every other industry, off the top of my head, is done by professionals. You don't need to go to college and graduate with a degree to work at a grocery store, deal cards, wait tables, etc.
TigerWu
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July 7th, 2017 at 2:31:20 PM permalink
Quote: RS

You don't need to go to college and graduate with a degree to work at a grocery store, deal cards, wait tables, etc.



No, but those jobs are usually way more demanding than jobs that DO require an education.

Six and half years of college is totally worth sitting in a cushy B.S. office job not having to deal with people. Pay kind of sucks, though.
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2017 at 2:48:25 PM permalink
I wonder how everyone would feel if Realtor and car dealerships decided to take away commissions and have their salsemen work for minimum wage and 15% to 20% in tips? Would everyone who's in favor of tipping think it's ok to pay their wages?

You may think that's absurd. Just like I think it's absurd tipping 15% to 20% on higher end meals(I do it begrudgingly). I think 15% to 20% is fine at normal day to day restaurants but I think there should be a cap.

Overtipping can lead to 'employee theft' in a roundabout way. Go start overtipping tipping a bartender and see how full your glass gets, You will get at least 3 fingers worth(Ya, I know, that's the size of Trump's entire hand).
Add free food on top of that.

I won't even get into what overtipping casino employees might get you( But, the sandwich trick IS a waste of money most of the time)

Who pays for all that in the end?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ZenKinG
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July 7th, 2017 at 3:01:07 PM permalink
Let me just say this. I think tipping should be illegal everywhere. It should not be the customer's responsibility to pay the worker, no matter which industry it is. To me this is just the way of the industry to cut down on expenses and not pay their workers. Who the hell started this tipping nonsense? Even worse, what does that say about our society that never questioned the system and kept following suit?

From now on i think im going to never tip anyone again. Until it becomes a law on the books, why should i have to pay anyone more than what the product costs? If im in a restaurant, the product im paying for is the food which is already marked up higher for the restaurant to make a profit and im already helping the restaurant grow its business. Why should i also have to pay their workers? Its not like were getting a great deal on the food at these restaurants to compensate for tipping the waitress/waiter. If they want us to tip the waitress or waiter i want a 30 - 50% reduction in food prices to make up for the markup. Restaurants cant have the cake and eat it too. They are already have a nice profit margin on their food. Not paying their workers is just greed amd trying to milk the system
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2017 at 3:15:12 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Because every other industry, off the top of my head, is done by professionals. You don't need to go to college and graduate with a degree to work at a grocery store, deal cards, wait tables, etc.

I think that's what pisses some people off about tipping. My sister is a terrible tipper, it even made me cringe. I asked her why she was such a stiff. She wonders why she should tip so much when she had to go and pay for college, she had to pay for special licensing(and renew it) and buy her own supplies(not just a uniform and pens). Yet, some waiters and waitresses were making more than she was. She noted that waitresses tipped her the least out of all her clients at about 5%.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ibeatyouraces
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July 7th, 2017 at 3:37:37 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

...It should not be the customer's responsibility to pay the worker...


It's worse than that. By tipping, you're paying that person TWICE.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
rxwine
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July 7th, 2017 at 3:45:42 PM permalink
I'll argue unintended effects angle.

General principle: no matter what you do, if people are free to ruin it, they will.

1. At first people pay for service as required.
2. Then some people want an advantage and pay extra. e.g. tips
3. Then other people come along and pay even more. Now they are raising expectations.
4. Step 4 is when the payee no longer sees the extra money as something freely given, but EXPECTED as if it had always been this way.

Step 5 RUINED.
--->See general principle.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
TigerWu
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July 7th, 2017 at 3:51:27 PM permalink
Question for people who hate tipping/never tip:

Why do you even patronize places where tipping is expected?

What I mean is, if I didn't want to ever tip waitstaff, I would just avoid the situation altogether and not go out to eat. The second I leave my house to go somewhere, I know I the tip is part of the built in cost. If I ever felt I was paying too much money, I just wouldn't eat out. At the very least I would restrict my dining to fast food places and buffets or something.

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