GlenG
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February 8th, 2018 at 3:17:22 PM permalink
You know the difference between a degenerate at a restaurant vs the degenerate at a casino table? The degenerate at the restaurant will be gone in roughly an hour or so.
FleaStiff
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February 8th, 2018 at 4:36:20 PM permalink
You tip for service, if its very good service you tip generously, if you win big you tip a bit more.

I tend to tip early in the game... it gets me noticed and remembered. Maybe it gains me something, maybe it doesn't.

Adopting any persona gains you nothing, if the floor thinks you are greedy they will 86 you eventually.
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February 8th, 2018 at 5:19:27 PM permalink
Quote: billryan


Lesson learned. I still eat too much, but buffets are once every two months or so.



I've stopped going to Casino buffets for two reasons.

1) The cost in most AC and PA casinos is absurdly high for dinner or on weekends. $35 minimum in AC and $50-60 in PA (Sands). They offer Prime Rib, All you can eat Crab or Lobster, but the line for both is always long.

2) Getting sick from undercooked/tainted food. I completely stopped eating Sushi and Cocktail Shrimp after getting a terrible stomach virus at the Borgata Buffet in AC. Of course, when I called to complain about the incident, they denied responsibility and offered a voucher for another restaurant because of my tier card status. I balked at the offer and told em "Send it to Tropicana and I'll consider it"
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February 9th, 2018 at 1:07:05 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

You tip for service, if its very good service you tip generously, if you win big you tip a bit more.

I tend to tip early in the game... it gets me noticed and remembered. Maybe it gains me something, maybe it doesn't.

Adopting any persona gains you nothing, if the floor thinks you are greedy they will 86 you eventually.



As I've said before, tipping a dealer is for suckers unless that tipping increases your EV in other ways such as a deep cut every shuffle etc. When casinos start tipping me when I lose, then i'll start tipping. It's not my responsibility to pay their workers. No I'm not selfish, that's the way it should be, but people have been brainwashed into this system thinking it's the customer's duty to tip. Things have gotten so bad in society that now if you don't tip for a particular service, I'm all of a sudden the bad guy? Why does no one look at these business owners who have high enough margins to pay their workers? It's actually unbelievable how easily humans are brainwashed.

It's the same thing in restuarants. Restaurants are simply trying to take advantage of societal norms with the 'tip' system so they can save more and more costs. I'd understand if it would be hard to turn a profit if you had to pay your workers, but these restaurants and casinos are just greedy money hungry people. Restaurants and obviously casinos can easily pay their workers at least minimum wage and still have a healthy margin.

I also don't want to hear people say, well if there wasn't a tip system you would pay a higher price in food or have worse rules and games in the casino. That would only happen if idiotic customers keep going back. Don't let these restaurant owners or casino scum fool you. Their margins are high enough to pay their workers a fair wage.

Stop letting these people make you feel guilty for not tipping. The real guilty ones are these greedy owners who are trying to take advantage of the system to not pay their workers and trying to pass it onto the customer to pay their workers.
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February 9th, 2018 at 1:23:01 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

As I've said before, tipping a dealer is for suckers unless that tipping increases your EV in other ways such as a deep cut every shuffle etc. When casinos start tipping me when I lose, then i'll start tipping. It's not my responsibility to pay their workers. No I'm not selfish, that's the way it should be, but people have been brainwashed into this system thinking it's the customer's duty to tip. Things have gotten so bad in society that now if you don't tip for a particular service, I'm all of a sudden the bad guy? Why does no one look at these business owners who have high enough margins to pay their workers? It's actually unbelievable how easily humans are brainwashed.

It's the same thing in restuarants. Restaurants are simply trying to take advantage of societal norms with the 'tip' system so they can save more and more costs. I'd understand if it would be hard to turn a profit if you had to pay your workers, but these restaurants and casinos are just greedy money hungry people. Restaurants and obviously casinos can easily pay their workers at least minimum wage and still have a healthy margin.

I also don't want to hear people say, well if there wasn't a tip system you would pay a higher price in food or have worse rules and games in the casino. That would only happen if idiotic customers keep going back. Don't let these restaurant owners or casino scum fool you. Their margins are high enough to pay their workers a fair wage.

Stop letting these people make you feel guilty for not tipping. The real guilty ones are these greedy owners who are trying to take advantage of the system to not pay their workers and trying to pass it onto the customer to pay their workers.



I canít believe Iím going to say this but I agree with ZK. I guess there is a first time for everything. Iíd rather pay more for my food, have the server make a proper wage and not tip. As a former casino dealer I have always thought tipping a dealer for a win was stupid, the dealer does the same job whether you win or lose.
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February 9th, 2018 at 1:26:41 AM permalink
Donít tell people what to do with their money bro. And donít eat at sit down restaurants, please. I like that in some countries tips arenít expected and you donít have to hear wait staff/dealers constantly discussing them, and the practice is a bit socially awkward, it it is what it is. If someone doesnít like America thereís always Latin America. When you stiff a server, you know you are screwing them, justify it however you want, you know damn well you are taking advantage of them. Some of the jobs like dealers, housekeeping, shuttle drivers, etc itís a little less clear cut, who should I tip and when does it ever just stop.

Addressing ZK not PG
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February 9th, 2018 at 2:55:09 AM permalink
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Donít tell people what to do with their money bro. And donít eat at sit down restaurants, please. I like that in some countries tips arenít expected and you donít have to hear wait staff/dealers constantly discussing them, and the practice is a bit socially awkward, it it is what it is. If someone doesnít like America thereís always Latin America. When you stiff a server, you know you are screwing them, justify it however you want, you know damn well you are taking advantage of them. Some of the jobs like dealers, housekeeping, shuttle drivers, etc itís a little less clear cut, who should I tip and when does it ever just stop.

Addressing ZK not PG



I know you werenít addressing me but I felt like I should mention as much as I think tipping is stupid, Iím an excellent tipper, especially in restaurants. I just dislike the practice. People are quite often surprised at my point of view seeing as my previous jobs include casino dealer, bartender and waiter.
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February 9th, 2018 at 3:51:40 AM permalink
You go with the flow.

Tipping used not to be common place in America and was actually frowned upon as Un-American.

You need only watch the first few minutes of The Painted Desert (mobster and friends intimidate patrons in lonely desert café) to see the famed sign "Please do not insult our employees by tipping them". Such signage was common else it would not have been in a movie albeit one that was not shot in the Painted Desert.

Men no longer even wear hats much less tip them to a blind man. I always felt it was foolish to tip one's hat to a man who could not see you do it. Hats are coming back into style in many areas and I'm sure tipping them to blind men will NOT re-appear. Jazz musicians and all cabaret performers now wear hats, artists now tend to wear hats. Some customs come and go.

And don't think a tipped dealer will not at least try to do his best for a player who has tipped him.
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February 9th, 2018 at 4:58:29 AM permalink
Fancy restaurant tipping starts to get ridiculous. $20 to $40 per person is absurd. There should be a cap and the percentage should be lower. But whatever, you got to do what you got to do.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 9th, 2018 at 5:13:45 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Fancy restaurant tipping starts to get ridiculous. $20 to $40 per person is absurd. There should be a cap and the percentage should be lower. But whatever, you got to do what you got to do.


I totally agree, why am I tipping someone more to bring me a Ribeye versus bringing me a salad?
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