Ibeatyouraces
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July 7th, 2017 at 4:17:51 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Question for people who hate tipping/never tip:

Why do you even patronize places where tipping is expected?


Rarely.
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rxwine
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July 7th, 2017 at 4:29:05 PM permalink
I think the answer is the same non-smoker would say when there wasn't very much variety in non-smoking sections. You end up in the smoking section because you got tired of the limited variety open to you. Not everyone wants to stay home every night.
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ZenKinG
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July 7th, 2017 at 4:42:30 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Question for people who hate tipping/never tip:

Why do you even patronize places where tipping is expected?

What I mean is, if I didn't want to ever tip waitstaff, I would just avoid the situation altogether and not go out to eat. The second I leave my house to go somewhere, I know I the tip is part of the built in cost. If I ever felt I was paying too much money, I just wouldn't eat out. At the very least I would restrict my dining to fast food places and buffets or something.



You missed the point. Its a matter of principal
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rxwine
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July 7th, 2017 at 4:54:42 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

At the very least I would restrict my dining to fast food places and buffets or something.



Btw, isn't a buffet a terrible dilemma for an AP? You have the opportunity to maximize your return by all you eat.

Weigh too tempting. (pun word intended --( unless you enjoy 40lbs of plain salad and cucumber)

Or do some of you walk in thin, but wear a special shirt and walk out 9 months pregnant?
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billryan
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July 8th, 2017 at 12:26:32 AM permalink
My first Vegas trip was in late September 2001. My friend was supposed to get married the Saturday after September 11th, but it was postponed. We had been fitted for tuxes the week before. I stayed downtown and had the old El Cortez Prime Rib special for lunch every day and ate at a buffet every night.
Got home Friday night for a Saturday wedding and found my pants had somehow shrunk. Needed some cord and the cummerbund to make them look okay.
Lesson learned. I still eat too much, but buffets are once every two months or so.
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Confessor
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July 8th, 2017 at 2:45:30 AM permalink
Quote: elvis

The dealers want tips, as you know. The floor supervisor wants tips for the dealers, so that the dealers have more interest and probably make less mistakes when dealing as a result of that interest.



Woah hang on, I thought mistakes are extremely lucrative for the AP and AP loves dealer mistakes?

I mean a good AP certainly does. A good AP will always be able to catch dealer mistakes in the casino's favor and let the dealer mistakes in the player's favor slide.

As you know, dealer mistakes are very profitable.

Bad argument there unfortunately
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July 8th, 2017 at 2:51:41 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I've never been an AP so a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense to me... but from a complete layman's point of view, if tipping someone a few dollars every hour or so completely blows your profit margin, or at least a large chunk of it, then that doesn't sound like a very profitable venture to begin with. If I was ever going to become a card counter, I would build in tips on my expected return from day one, otherwise what's the point in even playing?



RS explained this very well in the first page. It's not that you can't tip a few dollars every hour, it's that you end up pissing off the dealer even more if you do.

AP's make a certain dollar amount per hour.

But due to the nature of blackjack AP they are unfairly expected to tip SIGNIFICANTLY more sine their bet size is large.

So if you tip at that amount, you make the dealer happy but you eat away your edge. If you tip less than that, you piss off the dealer.

When i get bad service at a restaurant I tip 0% instead of like 5%, it's the same logic
TigerWu
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July 8th, 2017 at 8:02:43 AM permalink
Quote: Confessor


AP's make a certain dollar amount per hour.

But due to the nature of blackjack AP they are unfairly expected to tip SIGNIFICANTLY more sine their bet size is large.

So if you tip at that amount, you make the dealer happy but you eat away your edge. If you tip less than that, you piss off the dealer.



Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.

Quote: ZenKingG

You missed the point. Its a matter of principal



Okay, but why even put yourself in that situation in the first place?? If I think tipping is a stupid idea in principal, I'm not going to patronize places that expect it, because why would I waste my money somewhere that institutes a policy I disagree with?
elvis
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July 8th, 2017 at 9:56:34 AM permalink
I have seen dealers who pushed back slightly late bets from someone who was wonging, because the seated player was tipping. A table hopper was presumably back counting and tried to play into what appeared to be a positive count. The count was presumably high as the seated player's bet was larger and this player was varying his bets and it was late in the shoe. I had no definite proof of counting but it appeared there might be some moving around of money by the seated player. He had only been at the table a relatively short time- a few shoes, and was tipping the dealer and the dealer was interested and connected with him. I have seen the opposite when the seated player was not tipping and the dealer was encouraging other players to come in as they ran up to the table. The count was diluted by this and the dealer could have discouraged the approaching player in a number of ways. Could have said the tipping player wanted to wait till the end of the shoe for any other player to come in. He could have suggested this to the tipping player by suggestion earlier or by asking him if it is okay for this wonger to come in. Most dealers would not care and are certainly encouraged to invite other players in. But what do I know about the situation occurring? Did the tipping player say he wanted to play this shoe out alone? Did he previously say something to the dealer such as this is my lucky shoe? It is comparable to a maitre'd who seats someone who is tipping, is it not? Favoritism for tippers can occur in many ways. Think about it. I have seen dealers make mistakes in favor of the house and the player never knows the difference. The dealer was not connecting or caring and I did not know for sure if there was a mistake and since the player said nothing I did not want to slow down the game or embarrass the dealer. Would there be more interest on the part of the dealer if there was tipping going on? You can answer that yourself, apparently.
billryan
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July 8th, 2017 at 12:04:51 PM permalink
A dollar tip from a $50 bet spends the same as a $1 from a $5 bet.
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