Now I have read a huge amount of information on how KJ does it, i read several books such as Wong's book 'Blackjack Secrets' which has some good longevity infotmation, as well as Vinny DeCarlo's book on all the major casinos and how they bring heat in different ways. My question is not about any of that, I'm already aware of the heat aspect. I just want to know, if possible, a general idea if a 2x300 top bet will attract enough heat to get me flyered/backed off within a year if I keep sessions short to 1 hour or possibly even 45 minutes at a time. By the way, when I say 'sessions' I'm not talking about a session in a particular pit at one store I'm talking about one actual session and I'm on to another store.
Right now I have 12 casinos in my future rotation that I compiled from CBJN that have the best games in town. The plan is to play 6 days a week and mix up morning, afternoon, and graveyard shifts to not have one shift at a particular store see me more than one hour once a week. Of course, 6 days a week is a bit aggressive, but that's the plan for now and I also have some other tricks up my sleeve that should buy me a lot more time, and no I won't be using any cover plays. I'm not a fan of cover plays and I believe when you get made as an AP, its all about your minimum to max bet exposure as well as your back counting exposure.
I'm doing really well right now locally and it looks like I won't have any excuse anymore not to move out there. I'm going there very soon and I would post the date, but I rather not have the rare possibility of a casino critter relaying info to major strip stores to keep an eye out for me. Yes 2x300 is still small fish but it is an amount that does start attracting attention at most places, especially if you start winning a lot and which is why I started this thread in the first place.
Thanks in advance.
The Wover's are gonna ask for min bet & betting ramp etc..
My pure Wong spread will be something like 2x50-2x300 and my off the top spread will vary from 2 hands off the top to 1 hand off the top(maybe even use grifters gambit) as i know spreading to two hands in + counts is not well tolerated in vegas. The off the top spread will be something around 1x25 - 2x300 or 2x25 - 1x450 for example and wonging out aggressively at -1. The 2x25 off the top will vary with 1 or 2 hands throughout, as my biggest thing is to just start the shoe with 2 hands to confuse the pit a bit maybe even start with 2x50 or 3x25 and quickly retrace to 2x25 or even 1x25
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The Wover's are gonna ask for min bet & betting ramp etc..
So basically each store is going to be independent from every other store. You might be able to have a top bet of $1k at Casino A, but only a top bet of $300 at Casino B. You'll have to learn the Tolerance Levels of each casino in your rotation for each of their shift/bosses/etc. This is going to take a little bit of time and learning (without a seasoned vegas vet to give you the ins and outs of each casino).
So what you should be doing now is finding a top bet that will make you decent EV, but you're "pretty sure" is under the radar. Then, when you're in the field you can test these different shops by pressing up a little bit every now and then. See which ones knee jerk react, see which ones simply take notice, and see which ones don't even blink and eye. These are then the casinos that you can't go above X, probably need to stick to just above X, and can go way above X (respectively).
KJ posted before that at some stores he was only able to go to mid blacks (250-300) while at others he could go much higher. I believe he also said that there was something like the "purple rule" that pretty much he avoided betting purple chips (500 or more) at most all stores. I'd take this as a good guideline to starting out.
I think your 2x300 is a decent starting point... though Vegas sometimes casinos definitely do care if you spread horizontally. Start with 2x250 or 2x300 and see what kind of heat you get, then tailor your spread per casino/shift/pit pending what heat/reactions you get... and regardless of 1 hour or not, you should leave after exposing your max bet. Then they'll never see you "reset."
Also, I wouldn't worry about CBJN and "the best games" exactly. Sure, try to play better games, but the "best" games are going to be games with deep PEN and little or no Heat... Who cares if it's S17 or H17. I've said it 1,000,000 times... Vegas is QUANTITY, not QUALITY. Find the tolerant games and you'll find your EV.
A $600 max bet should be fine most places, most of the time. But what happens when you do get backed off? If you keep recycling through the same 12 places every two weeks it will happen eventually. Expand the places you go to and your style of play as wide as you can and you can survive earning $100 to $200 per day indefinitely.
You can get away with 2x300 on the strip, but don't expect to be able to do that day in and day out.
ZK, everything you plan/ask smells of that you're making all these plans without ever having been to vegas, or at least very little. Why not try to answer some of these questions yourself? You have more than enough BR to book an inexpensive flight, get a reasonably inexpensive hotel for a week or so, and use the time to gauge if you think you can pull off your plan after scouting these places with your own eyes on different shifts etc.
I've been to vegas only twice. My most recent visit was last March in 2016. CBJN seems to be somewhat accurate from what i saw there with the only exception being that they must be listing some hi limit games because there definitely weren't that many tables with 3:2. If they are indeed hi limit games, i find it strange that CBJN says those games let you jump in mid shoe as i dont see a 'nmse' note on it. Here on the east coast where i play, all hi-limit games are 'nmse'. I probably wont do much backcounting anyway in a hi limit room as that brings way too much attention.